Does she actualy have any? The only thing that she was actualy supposed to be good at and she flails miserably, as per usual. She really is useless.
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Who said she was "supposed to be good at it"? Not only did she not do a great job, but you could physically see how uncomfortable she was in the situation and especially once the dead body was brought in.
People harp on constantly about how "she's just an HR rep!" and such, so why is it such a life-altering surprise when she does a mediocre job acting as a negotiator?
Maybe negotiating isn't her thing? Maybe she'll do better the next time she has to negotiate? Frankly, I'm more interested in seeing where her character goes than writing her off as definitively useless just yet.Last edited by Coronach; 12 June 2010, 04:50 AM.
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I don't think Wray failed miserably, although I do believe that she got her eyes opened for her. She was working with Young for once and that was really something. I think she went into this very naive. Her bit about refusing to wear a vest, for one. She's still thinking she's dealing with nice rational people that can be talked to, but she keeps trying. Kiva's dialogue, and the final bit where they traded a dead soldier's body, really sent it home, hopefully. Altogether, I think that Wray, like Young, did the best she could with a crappy situation. I'm actually kind of impressed with her.
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I like what you say about Wray, I've felt she is completely in the past few episodes, always stepping in and trying to throw a wrench in getting things done. I was hoping Kiva would have just shot her. But I can see where the writers are taking her as being so naive and now having a nice dose of reality set in. I bet her character comes back stronger next season. Time will tell.
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Originally posted by xxxevilgrinxxx View PostI don't think Wray failed miserably, although I do believe that she got her eyes opened for her. She was working with Young for once and that was really something. I think she went into this very naive. Her bit about refusing to wear a vest, for one. She's still thinking she's dealing with nice rational people that can be talked to, but she keeps trying. Kiva's dialogue, and the final bit where they traded a dead soldier's body, really sent it home, hopefully. Altogether, I think that Wray, like Young, did the best she could with a crappy situation. I'm actually kind of impressed with her.
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Originally posted by Briangate78 View Post
Seriously though, Wray is not a trained negotiator, so it's not exactly a surprise that she failed.
On a side note as to why she failed: Kiva is insane.
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She's a human resources bureaucrat, not a hostage negotiator. So, in light of that, her attempt was fine. Unsuccessful, of course, but she did what she could.Click the banner or episode links to visit the virtual continuations of Stargate!Previous Episode: 11x03 "Shore Leave" | Previous Episode: 6x04 "Nightfall" | Now Airing: 3x06 "Eldest"The Continuing Stargate Wiki | Stargate: Avalon l The New "Ark of Truth" | Stargate: Universe Reviews | Banner designs by Alx
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IMO the writers have never been especially good at writing negotiation scenes. The characters never come out looking as strong or as good as they couldve, as writers themselves arent professional negotiators. That said Wray wasnt supposed to be a pro at negotiating with ruthless villans, and was supposed to be a bit niave. Though i did think refusing to wear the vest went a little far.sigpic
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Originally posted by VampyreWraith View PostIMO the writers have never been especially good at writing negotiation scenes. The characters never come out looking as strong or as good as they couldve, as writers themselves arent professional negotiators. That said Wray wasnt supposed to be a pro at negotiating with ruthless villans, and was supposed to be a bit niave. Though i did think refusing to wear the vest went a little far.
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Originally posted by xxxevilgrinxxx View Postrefusing to wear the vest was classic Wray though and fit very well with how they've written the character. Even Scott mentioned that Young didn't think she would take it but to try anywaysigpic
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Well, it's a first part of a 2 parter so yes everybody failed. Young venting of room and hostage exchanged failed so has his introduction of Greer as a medic. Wray negociation failed. Even Telford plan failed. Don't worry the good guys will win at the end.Currently watching: Dark Matter, 12 Monkeys, Doctor Who, Under the Dome, The Mentalist, The Messengers, The Last Ship, Elementary, Dominion, The Whispers, Extant, Olympus, Da Vinci's Demons, Vikings
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I was going to say, if we're going to list peopl who've failed, I like Young but we need to put him front and center as the man who single handedly boned this thing. He failed to make the correct call twice. Once because Telford was in danger. And the second time because TJ an his child were in danger. Greer needs to take Young under his wing apparently.
I don't really think Wray failed to be quite honest with you. She had no bargaining position and Kiva understood this. She chose Wray because she could be trusted not to pull a gun on her and because she knew she could scare her. And to be honest, most negotiotiations are kind of like that. Two sides talking (because its better for the moment) but one side having a distinct advantage.
And that said, I don't think things like this are going to keep "scaring" Wray. I think she'll learn to swim.
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