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Originally posted by Artemis-Neith View PostWhy should Young do this? Young did nothing but defends himself when Telford (in Rush's body, Telford was the one who didn't care about) starts the fight. This time Young could not be blamed for doing something wrong.
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Originally posted by pipi View PostThere wasn't a video kino filming was there? So you'd need more tangible evidence like a busted lip or cut on Young's face to help advocate Telford's guilt and consequently to justify extracting information from him. There's no certainty that Greer or Scott were peeking into the window to actually observe the first punch, they seem to only react after a bit of a rumble. For Young to claim self defence when he's got Telford in an interrogation room with beefy boys outside is a bit weak. Who's going to believe that?
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Originally posted by pipi View PostYour explaination is still too difficult for me to understand. So I'll just say this and tell me if it's the same or not.
My opinion of the voice/accent issue is that when Rush is in Telford's body, he speaks and sounds like Rush internally, then the technology translates using the host's body and original accent to outsiders making it identical to Telford. We have the technology right now to mimic someone else using software. The stone's version of this software would be more advanced and could be implanted subconsciously like a buffer in the host's brain to do the voice overs.
But this then begs the question, what is the primary purpose of the stones? is there an underlying design for infiltration? Not that Rush's impromtu plan is a good example of a well thought out attemp at it
Speaking of buffer a thought just occured to me, that when Young was a guest in the aliens body he had no trouble walking, which I would have thought you would have given the structure of their legs? So this in itself could be evidence to the fact that the devices do buffer requests from the guest to the host, I can't remember if he tried to speak(i'll have to go back and have a look).
Anyway my to cents.
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As for the whole accent thing...
Your accent is "set" by the time you're around 5 years old (+/- a year or two). This explains why you can have a family come over from the UK and the 10 year old girl will have an accent, but the 3 year old boy will grow up speaking English with an "American" accent. This is more evident in foreign languages.
It has to do with muscle memory and development of facial and throat structures as the child ages. Those physical changes and links in the brain are for the most part set after a particular age and their anatomy is geared up to speak a certain way.
So it doesn't really make sense that just because Rush is in Telford's body, that Telford would have an accent. When Rush speaks, he isn't trying to talk with a Scottish accent. He's just speaking. Its automatic. It is being filtered through Telford's body.
Its not like Rush can will himself to digest a particular way when he's in Telford. He'll just digest food as per Telford's anatomy.
Reference (just a random one from tons of literature on the subject):
Munro M, Mann V. "Age of immersion as predictor of foreign accent" Applied Psycholinguistics (2005), 26 : 311-341 Cambridge University Press
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Originally posted by Brochill86 View PostAs for the whole accent thing...
Your accent is "set" by the time you're around 5 years old (+/- a year or two). This explains why you can have a family come over from the UK and the 10 year old girl will have an accent, but the 3 year old boy will grow up speaking English with an "American" accent. This is more evident in foreign languages.
It has to do with muscle memory and development of facial and throat structures as the child ages. Those physical changes and links in the brain are for the most part set after a particular age and their anatomy is geared up to speak a certain way.
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So, I could imagine, that Rush faked an American accent, cos he lived some years over there, and he knows how to do this. To speak directly with the wrong accent would mean, write a big sign on your breast "I'm not the person, I pretend to be".
And also, I didn't hear Telford using a Scottish accent, cos he's never learned to speak this way, or lived in an environment, where he'd heard for years nothing but Scots talk to each other.
The writers of the show told us in different cases, that with the body swapping the intellectual abilities of the other person is completely transferred into the swapped body. Why should this be different with accents.
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Originally posted by Artemis-Neith View PostYour explanation sounds a little bit like a person have no other chance but to keep the accent he's learned as a child.
Originally posted by Artemis-Neith View PostSo, I could imagine, that Rush faked an American accent, cos he lived some years over there, and he knows how to do this. To speak directly with the wrong accent would mean, write a big sign on your breast "I'm not the person, I pretend to be".
Also, if Rush was trying to mask his accent, then wouldn't have have given it up during the torture scene where he stated he was Rush? We never saw Rush in Telford with the LA, so we don't know, but I'm guessing it would be difficult to keep up with the act while being tortured and there'd be no reason to keep it up after he comes out.
Originally posted by Artemis-Neith View PostAnd also, I didn't hear Telford using a Scottish accent, cos he's never learned to speak this way, or lived in an environment, where he'd heard for years nothing but Scots talk to each other.
Originally posted by Artemis-Neith View PostThe writers of the show told us in different cases, that with the body swapping the intellectual abilities of the other person is completely transferred into the swapped body. Why should this be different with accents.
Maybe we should pose this question to Josephmallozzi's blog.
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Originally posted by Brochill86 View PostI never said that. I said there were anatomical changes that occurs and if someone else's consciousness was downloaded into someone else, perhaps the anatomy would set the person to their "default accent." I am talking about the context of the show.
Two things here... One, Rush was already in Telford's body before and probably knew that he was "defaulted" to his standard accent. He's also seen others use the comm stones. Two, he saw the dream and I'm asuming that Telford was speaking in his American accent.
Also, if Rush was trying to mask his accent, then wouldn't have have given it up during the torture scene where he stated he was Rush? We never saw Rush in Telford with the LA, so we don't know, but I'm guessing it would be difficult to keep up with the act while being tortured and there'd be no reason to keep it up after he comes out.
The time when Telford was in Rush, it was mostly Telford's POV. The few times they cut to Rush he looked scared/confused/bloodied.
And I said that one's accent isn't "intellectual." Its the person's body. More evidence of this is when Rush was one of the smurfs. He couldn't will himself to speak English. Probably because smurfs lack the anatomical ability to speak English.
Maybe we should pose this question to Josephmallozzi's blog.
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Meh, to Kiva all Earthlings sound the same maybe?
Originally posted by Captain Obvious View PostI love the show, You all know the Cap'n is a superfan (So much so I just started singing "Superfan" to the tune of "Superfreak").
1.) do you try to sound like Rick James while singing?
2.) do you wear a Rick James wig while singing?
regards,
G.Go for Marty...
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Originally posted by Commander Zelix View PostI probably did. I'm sorry. But we shouldn't see the loaner anyway. I guess Rush is good at doing the american accent then.
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Originally posted by Commander Zelix View PostFor an obvious example, it should be easier for a woman to impersonate a man in a man body. So it's easier to impersonate Obama's voice in Obama's body."Most people who are watching TV are semi-catatonic. They're not fully alive." - U.S. District Court Judge Timothy Batten Sr.
Ronald Greer is also a medic. Your argument is invalid.
Originally posted by J-Whitt RemasteredSecondly, I think that everything DigiFluid is good.
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The way I've seen the whole accent situation is this. And please, if I'm wrong, someone correct me.
I never considered, when two people use the stones, as swapping bodies. I know that's what it is, but I believe it's more of the minds of the two individuals swap, as opposed to bodies. So you have Rush's mind in Telford's body, but everything else is Telford. So Rush is speaking as he normally would, but because it is Telford's body (and vocal cords, throat muscles, etc) it sounds just like Telford, and without an accent. Also, I honestly believe in the situation Rush was in during Subversion, the least of his problems would be trying to hide or show an accent. He is just speaking normally, and the signals from his mind going to Telford is simply just normal speech. There isn't anything hindered or added to.
But like I said, I could be wrong. I always thought of it more that the 2 people swap minds, as opposed to bodies.
Also, since Telford's mind is in Rush's body, Telford could hold his own against Young, because of the combat training he's had. But the blows are being done to Rush (ultimately), and when Rush returns to his body, he won't be feeling so hot. So Telford in Rush's body, can hold up in a fight. But if he gets his butt kicked, it'll be Rush feeling the hurt later on. But I suppose Telford will be feeling some hurt from all that torture that was done to his body by the LA.
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Regardless of whether there would be any clues from speech patterns, just the body language of the two men would be different. Their respective postures would change. How one sees and interacts with the world is different if you are suddenly a few inches taller. There'd be clues.
regards,
G.Go for Marty...
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