Re: Do the BA use FTL similar to Destinys?
I was saying BA engines are less advanced the Destiny's.Originally Posted by Puddle-Jumper
Also, Destiny is without a doubt less advanced than Atlantis in terms of age and such, even the Stargate tech has limited range but we don't know how it would compare to Goa'uld technology.
As for why? Well they didn't know what they were going to and are stuck. Also, all that knowledge is worth a ton and maybe they'll encounter other aliens with tech we can gather.
Re: Do the BA use FTL similar to Destinys?
Ok. Here's how so, since you asked.
Let's stick to show canon. Hyperdrives don't need a specific "propellant/fuel tank". Earth ships use naquadria and naquadah as power sources, but Atlantis does not. It is powered by ZPMs that do not require consuming a "fuel". They dropped out of hyperspace because of a glitch. Mckay said that the hyperdrive hadn't been operated at full power in over ten thousand years and that it was not surprising that there were a few glitches (rewatch EATG if you have doubts).
The combustion engine analogy is inherently flawed because it is based on faulty conclusions that contradict the show. I would have been sort of ok with it as a metaphor, concerning the level of sophistication/complexity but the fact that you pushed the propellant angle specifically so much shows that it is not the case.
The idea that Destiny's design of FTL travel is more primitive than hyperspace is correct, but this analogy of a combustion engine with a focus on fuel doesn't work at all.
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Re: Do the BA use FTL similar to Destinys?
We don't know that for sure, the FTL seems to be entirely unique to Destiny, Id bet that theres some reason for it...
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Re: Do the BA use FTL similar to Destinys?
Destiny was designed for longevity and distance on star power, intergalactic speed is less of an issue...it is fast enough.
Re: Do the BA use FTL similar to Destinys?
That sort of defeats the purpose of my "Baseless Speculation" warning.
Since we are in the realm of baseless speculation, can you prove that Atlantis's hyperdrive doesn't require any special sort of propellant, in addition to the power from the ZPM?
Perhaps the only reason that they have not mentioned a "propellant tank" in Atlantis is because it was already full when they got there, and they haven't come close to depleting it.
Yes, I'm aware that that is an incredibly weak argument, but that is why I do not hesitate to declare that it is baseless speculation. Indeed, I would like to take great pains to emphasize just how weak my argument is: it allows only that speculation that we understand to have no real basis in canon.
My mistake.
I'm not entirely certain how they contradict the show, but okay.
I used this specific metaphor because I dropped the idea that Destiny's FTL is more primitive than hyperspace: it's speed is, at the very least, of similar order to an intergalactic hyperdrive.
Actually, I'm not sure that it is.
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Re: Do the BA use FTL similar to Destinys?
Excellent point, I think it was SGA S2 Ep12 Atlantis stopped at a floating ExxonMobil Station and the sticker clearly said it had to use Premium ONLY!Since we are in the realm of baseless speculation, can you prove that Atlantis's hyperdrive doesn't require any special sort of propellant, in addition to the power from the ZPM?
Perhaps the only reason that they have not mentioned a "propellant tank" in Atlantis is because it was already full when they got there, and they haven't come close to depleting it.
Re: Do the BA use FTL similar to Destinys?
I had always been under the impression that Destiny's FTL drive was considerably slower than a hyperdrive, although now that I think about it I'm not sure why.
Certainly the FTL engine predates a lot of the ancients' more efficient hyperdrive technology, such as that on Atlantis, but it could conceivably be at least faster than some of the less effective hyperdrives (ie. Wraith, Goa'uld).
I wonder if the more advanced Asgard hyperdrives on the 304s could allow a Tau'ri ship to go catch up with Destiny? Powered by a few ZPMs of course.
Re: Do the BA use FTL similar to Destinys?
You are correct I would say.
The Asgard and more modern Ancient hyperdrives can span the void between galaxies in hours or a couple days, while as far as we know the Goa'uld and Wraith don't have that ability at all.
While we don't know exactly how long it took Destiny, nor do we know how large the void was, we do know it took up all available power reserves and they had to move to food/water restriction to survive the trip so I would say it's safe to assume it took a few weeks or maybe a little over a month.
FTL seems to be slower than advanced hyperdrive technology, but not all hyperdrives!
It would take a ship full of ZPM's and still take years to find them, I think we have better ways to use the few ZPM's we can find. I'm not sure any of us really understand the scope of how far from Earth Destiny really is!
Re: Do the BA use FTL similar to Destinys?
All speculation but I think the type of drive probably has something to do with lower power requirements, rather than speed itself.
How the BA could get the tech from the seeder ships, without first having hyperdrives, doesn't seem that feasible to me. If they did it would seem that the seeder ships aren't as much ahead of destiny as has been hinted, surely?? The BA definitely don't seem millions of years old...
Re: Do the BA use FTL similar to Destinys?
There is one possibility that hasn't been considered here. The Ancients probably had hyperspace technology prior to the launch of destiny. One reason they may have chosen FTL over hyperdrive is that, since Destiny is between systems 90% of the time, it would be in hyperspace most of the time. And everyone knows you can't dial a gate that's in hyperspace.
Re: Do the BA use FTL similar to Destinys?
Thats an FTL theories thread around here too that Im sure you'd have more fun debating that over...
The thing is though, the gate cant be active in FTL either, thats the whole being left behind part of the show and the ship has dropped out of FTL both times to recieve the incoming wormhole from the milkyway, but I think that a gate can still recieve a signal in FTL, just not create an active wormhole... neither of which it can do in hyperspace
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Re: Do the BA use FTL similar to Destinys?
How do you know that?
I mean, Rush had know trouble using the communication stones while his host body (Telford) was in hyperspace, so how do we know that the Stargates work any differently?
"From East Middle School. Suzumiya Haruhi. I have no interest in ordinary humans. If there are any aliens, time travelers, sliders, or espers here, come join me."
- The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya; Best Character Introduction Ever.
"And can we lose the ten thousand year old dead plants?!"
- Stargate: Atlantis (1x03) "Hide and Seek"
"Hammerheads do not load/unload units immediately – they must descend to ground level first. Initial experiments involving jump-jetting infantry into the Hammerhead’s cargo compartment met with unfortunate results."
- Command&Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath Hammerhead Unit Spotlight
Re: Do the BA use FTL similar to Destinys?
Rush knows where the Destiny is compared to Earth... First Episode they showed Destiny's Path from the milky way to where it is... So the location of Destiny is known.. Just the means to catch up to them in a relevant amount of time is impossible or not known... But so far the only means of getting there is via Stargate... What i think is that Atlantis can for a fact reach them... how Wormhole drive... Stargates use wormholes and so does Atlantis.. Only thing that throws that plan out window is the amount of power needed... If there was a single power supply that can be hooked up to atlantis to power the drive then ok.. but if there was a power supply that powerful then for that use the gate
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