TJ(Tamara Johansen)/Everett Young ship/appreciation thread

[rien]

And I highly doubt Young would ask for a way to get rid of the baby just for convience. He turned down the Icarus command because he felt too responsible for people's lives and didn't want to be the one to send them to their deaths anymore; plus he wouldn't leave Scott behind on the ice planet. What I wonder, though, is if he would publiclly acknolwedge the baby as being his. TJ has already shown she wants to keep the father's identity a secret, but how will Young deal with it?

I didnt really think he would ask her that either as so far he seems the kind of guy who is responsible and does the right thing but imo some of the writing during the first half of sgu was more soap opera than drama. The writing during the second half is greatly improved partly because they've found a balance between the drama/action but also because the writers appear to have improved at writing drama. Though to be fair I thought the whole TJ/Young relationship was handled well from the start, it was more the chloe/scott and emily/young relations that seemed unreal at least to me.

From what we saw in Lost, well it looks like young may need a little time for this latest piece of news to properly sink in but he doesnt seem to be reacting badly. Maybe in the next episode we might get to see how Young is handling this turn of events.

[stargazer]

I'm excited about this ship. I like the two characters and think they have some chemistry together. I'm anxious to see how this pregnancy thing works out.

[rien]

i am kinda hoping that a baby will bring the two back together, maybe not straight away but after a couple years floating round space aboard that tin can called destiny, by which time youngs wife will have come to her senses and dumped him, they can quietly get back together :-)

It only took weir/janeway a year or two for their respective love interests back on earth to move on hopefully emily will follow this pattern, realising that being married to a guy stuck on a spaceship a gazillion lightyears away with little chance of getting home who she only occasionally gets to see when he posseses other people is just not gonna work out long term I really want emily to break up with young and get together with some cute co-worker cause then hes single through no fault of his own and wont have to feel guilt if he gets back with TJ.

[Cory Holmes]

then hes single through no fault of his own and wont have to feel guilt if he gets back with TJ.

This is Young we're talking about here. He'll feel guilty about anything involving TJ

[rien]

thats true in which case we will just have to erase emily from existence then he wont have to feel guilty about anything

...except of course the whole fraternising with fellow military personnel doh!

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

This is Young we're talking about here. He'll feel guilty about anything involving TJ

true, he'll brood anout it

[rien]

but the fact that he does brood about stuff and TJ is one of the people that he seems to confide in is part of what makes their relationship work :-)

unfortunately having TJ as his confidant may prove problematic as they are not in a good situation onboard destiny and this news was unexpected so its understandable for Young to have doubts and concerns about the baby but expressing these to TJ would probably cause a misunderstanding or some such. I wonder if he will find another confidant or probably just brood endlessly for the rest of the series.

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

but the fact that he does brood about stuff and TJ is one of the people that he seems to confide in is part of what makes their relationship work :-)

unfortunately having TJ as his confidant may prove problematic as they are not in a good situation onboard destiny and this news was unexpected so its understandable for Young to have doubts and concerns about the baby but expressing these to TJ would probably cause a misunderstanding or some such. I wonder if he will find another confidant or probably just brood endlessly for the rest of the series.

I don't see him as sharing that burden, and definitely not with TJ. If he shared with anyone, i think it would be someone on the military side

[Cory Holmes]

but the fact that he does brood about stuff and TJ is one of the people that he seems to confide in is part of what makes their relationship work :-)

I disagree. Episodes like Earth proved that while TJ is still clinging to the personal nature of their affair, Young was trying his level best to keep it professional and stay true to his wife. Not that he doesn't want to confide in her (one look at his face proves that) but he just wouldn't open up to her.

I don't see him as sharing that burden, and definitely not with TJ. If he shared with anyone, i think it would be someone on the military side

I don't think he'd share this burden with anyone. He rejected TJ's offer for help in Earth, he refused to let Greer et al start a mutiny during Wray's show trial in Justice, he wouldn't tell Scott about why he quit as an SG team leader in Water...

Young seems to be ruled by his passions, for love or anger regardless, but he doesn't seem to be one to share that side of him with others. For all his emotional outbursts, he's quite the private man.

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

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I don't think he'd share this burden with anyone. He rejected TJ's offer for help in Earth, he refused to let Greer et al start a mutiny during Wray's show trial in Justice, he wouldn't tell Scott about why he quit as an SG team leader in Water...

Young seems to be ruled by his passions, for love or anger regardless, but he doesn't seem to be one to share that side of him with others. For all his emotional outbursts, he's quite the private man.

I agree, hence the iffiness
He does seem very private and reserved to me too so it'll be like pulling hen's teeth to get him to open up, if he ever does

[rien]

I disagree. Episodes like Earth proved that while TJ is still clinging to the personal nature of their affair, Young was trying his level best to keep it professional and stay true to his wife. Not that he doesn't want to confide in her (one look at his face proves that) but he just wouldn't open up to her.

your right about that i think you have painted a fairly accurate picture of both the current state of their relationship and youngs character but i get the definite sense that he probably used to confide in her a lot back when they had their relationship

i draw this conclusion because when she offers him a chance to confide in her and he rebuffs her she acts dismayed/hurt as though he normally would confide in her. also there is that scene when he goes looking for her like he wants to confide but doesnt cause she is with dr caine. (i have a bad memory for episode titles sorry) but anyhow it seems like him confiding in her was the usual thing prior to the ending of their relationship. also i am asuming that the ending of their relationship was fairly recent thing to the evacuation of icarus for TJ to be pregnant, therefore that might be why TJ is still clinging to the emotional side of their affair.

IMHO the whole not confiding in TJ is probably bad for his health and what causes his occasional forays into nucking futs territory, alla that repressed emotion eventually bubbling to the surface in a violently emotional outburst that sends telford/rush/whoever quivering in fear

[Spimman]

I think the above post is very well said.

Now that they are having a baby and Young's wife isn't around anymore maybe they'll have a more legitimate relationship? Or maybe they won't be more than friends who have a child together.

[SG7]

but the fact that he does brood about stuff and TJ is one of the people that he seems to confide in is part of what makes their relationship work :-)

unfortunately having TJ as his confidant may prove problematic as they are not in a good situation onboard destiny and this news was unexpected so its understandable for Young to have doubts and concerns about the baby but expressing these to TJ would probably cause a misunderstanding or some such. I wonder if he will find another confidant or probably just brood endlessly for the rest of the series.

Agreed. I'm sure he has concerns about the baby but won't tell them to TJ for a variety of reasons. One he probably doesn't want her to get worried. And secondly he probably doesn't want her to misunderstand anything that he says or is thinking.

[SG7]

your right about that i think you have painted a fairly accurate picture of both the current state of their relationship and youngs character but i get the definite sense that he probably used to confide in her a lot back when they had their relationship

i draw this conclusion because when she offers him a chance to confide in her and he rebuffs her she acts dismayed/hurt as though he normally would confide in her. also there is that scene when he goes looking for her like he wants to confide but doesnt cause she is with dr caine. (i have a bad memory for episode titles sorry) but anyhow it seems like him confiding in her was the usual thing prior to the ending of their relationship. also i am asuming that the ending of their relationship was fairly recent thing to the evacuation of icarus for TJ to be pregnant, therefore that might be why TJ is still clinging to the emotional side of their affair.

IMHO the whole not confiding in TJ is probably bad for his health and what causes his occasional forays into nucking futs territory, alla that repressed emotion eventually bubbling to the surface in a violently emotional outburst that sends telford/rush/whoever quivering in fear

I think it took her a long time to finally break it to Young that she was pregnant mostly because she probably still has feelings for him, but doesn't want to admit it. She was probably the one in the relationship who realized that they couldn't be doing what they were doing because of the fact that Young was married, and the fact that they were both military and he ranks over her. I'm betting she was transferring out as a way to not have to see him anymore and be tempted back into the relationship. She probably didn't even know that she was pregnant when she decided to transfer out.

They then get under attack at Icarus and are forced to evacuate, and unfortunately for her, it was to the Destiny. So no transferring out for her. Then the next whammy. She discovers that she is pregnant with Youngs child. Suddenly the very reason and person she was running away from Icarus for, she is now forced to run to. And was now forced to tell him that she was pregnant with his child. I can see how she probably agonized over when and how to tell him. And that she probably waited untill she couldn't keep it from him any longer before telling him, just because she feared that the feelings that she had for him would resurface.

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

Agreed. I'm sure he has concerns about the baby but won't tell them to TJ for a variety of reasons. One he probably doesn't want her to get worried. And secondly he probably doesn't want her to misunderstand anything that he says or is thinking.

very smart man, being careful what he says around the pregnant woman...kind of sweet too

[Cory Holmes]

I think it took her a long time to finally break it to Young that she was pregnant mostly because she probably still has feelings for him, but doesn't want to admit it. She was probably the one in the relationship who realized that they couldn't be doing what they were doing because of the fact that Young was married, and the fact that they were both military and he ranks over her. I'm betting she was transferring out as a way to not have to see him anymore and be tempted back into the relationship. She probably didn't even know that she was pregnant when she decided to transfer out.

They then get under attack at Icarus and are forced to evacuate, and unfortunately for her, it was to the Destiny. So no transferring out for her. Then the next whammy. She discovers that she is pregnant with Youngs child. Suddenly the very reason and person she was running away from Icarus for, she is now forced to run to. And was now forced to tell him that she was pregnant with his child. I can see how she probably agonized over when and how to tell him. And that she probably waited untill she couldn't keep it from him any longer before telling him, just because she feared that the feelings that she had for him would resurface.

I can't quite stress how much truth there is in this statement.

[SG7]

I can't quite stress how much truth there is in this statement.

In honesty, we don't yet know the full details of their "relationship" (length, depth, one-night-stand, just sexual etc) back on Icarus and the real reasons to why she was transferred out. We don't even know who was the one who decided to end the relationship. All we really know is that they had some sort of affair on Icarus and that she was supposed to be transferring out. Based on what I have seen of the two of them, my guess was on TJ being the one to take the inititive and end the relationship.

[Cory Holmes]

But that's what makes speculation so much fun Trying to fit the pieces together before you have any idea what the picture is really like, then comparing afterwords. Much entertainment there ^_^

[carmencatalina]

I think the above post is very well said.

Now that they are having a baby and Young's wife isn't around anymore maybe they'll have a more legitimate relationship? Or maybe they won't be more than friends who have a child together.

Um, Young's wife isn't dead, you know. He is still married to her, and the last thing we know of, he was telling her he still loved her. I'll be very disappointed in Young if he continues his affair without us getting to see (or hear about) a conversation with Emily where he tells her their marriage is over. Otherwise, cheating is still cheating, and my respect for him stays in the dumps.

[rien]

Um, Young's wife isn't dead, you know. He is still married to her, and the last thing we know of, he was telling her he still loved her. I'll be very disappointed in Young if he continues his affair without us getting to see (or hear about) a conversation with Emily where he tells her their marriage is over. Otherwise, cheating is still cheating, and my respect for him stays in the dumps.

this is why i actually want emily to leave him for someone back on earth. going by the flashback in Air their relationship was already troubled before he went to icarus. it was because he had accepted a post to icarus and would be gone probably a long time that they were arguing. given that he is now trapped on a spacecraft howerver many lightyears away with little chance of getting home anytime soon i just dont think their marriage is gonna last.

its happened to other sci fi characters that when they were seperated from earth a long time their other halves moved on and met other people. also if she did meet someone and ended things with Young then he would be single through (almost) no fault of his own and wouldnt have to feel guilty if things with TJ were to develop in a more romantic direction