Destiny's Seeder Ships.

[Lantien84]

We all know that ships were sent ahead of the Destiny to scout out planets and plant stargates on them, but do they serve another purpose? From what we have seen so far in the show and in previews for coming episodes the crew has come along human habitable worlds. Is it possible that these seeder ships are also capable of terra-forming and depositing earth like life on alien worlds? It seems a little far fetched that any of these planets would be remotely capable of supporting human life, especially providing plant life that humans could eat without dying. If these ships are capable of terra-forming and seeding life does anyone think we might see living breathing ancients that are a product of that seeding?

[jmoz]

Nah, don't think they terraform, but they put out gates right? So they must have gathered and transformed materials to build these gates. So with that said, a theory on how Destiny gets back

Spoiler:

They catch up to the seeders and tinker around to build a supergate, bigger gate components, and gate back to Milky way via the Ori supergate. Of course, they have to maybe collapse a mini-sun to a black hole to power the gate.

[The_Austin]

I'm pretty sure it was stated that the seeder ships deposit stargates on habitable planets. It's not that far fetched to believe that there would be many habitable worlds considering...

1. Each jump the Destiny makes transports to a new galaxy so the world's that our "in range" are most likely the planets that lie inside the galaxy that the Destiny currently occupies.

2. There are tons of stargate addresses and planets in the Milky-Way galaxy alone, so considering that usually there's only a couple of viable planets that pop up in Destiny's logs is reasonable.

3. Terraforming a planet would probably take thousands and thousands of years PER PLANET so if the seeder ships did this they would've been overrun by the Destiny long ago.

[briiguy]

1)I'd guess by pure randomness, each galaxy would get like ten 'almost' Earth-like planets. And have they even been to ten planets yet? How many galaxies away have they moved from the start of the first show?

2)Each galaxy would get about 100 'close' to Earth. And about half of the planets we have seen so far have been 'hostile' Earth like worlds.

3)It does make sense for the seed ships to terraform though. With ancient tech, terraforming does not take that long. The seed ship might just give the planet a 'little kick' in the right direction. If the seed ship can build Stargates(and they would need to build Stargates, not just carry a bunch in storage), then the ship could at least add gasses to the atmosphere and maybe even some 'programed' Alimno Acids. We have seen worlds with 'Earth-like' plants.

[Puddle-Jumper]

Each jump is not a galaxy, theres too many reasons for me to list why not.....

[The_Austin]

Maybe not everytime... I just assumed so based on the visual log the destiny showed them of galaxy's they've been to. Which I assumed to be a log of each jump. It could just be a log of galaxies visited I guess. And in the last episode of atlantis when it was used they transversed the void between the milky way and Pegasus in a very short time and considering the destinys in FTL more usually much longer then Atlantis was it makes sense that they would also travel a distance compriable. Regardless though everytime the destinys does come out of ftl there's only a handful of planets we could go to... And given the density of habitable planets in the stargate universe it doesn't require the seeder ship to teraform. Not to metion, if they did teraform they didn't do a very good job.

[Quadhelix]

I just assumed so based on the visual log the destiny showed them of galaxy's they've been to. Which I assumed to be a log of each jump. It could just be a log of galaxies visited I guess.

It is not a log of each jump: Brad Wright specifically said,

[The Destiny's Stargate] has a limited range, a far more limited range than the Milky Way or Pegasus Galaxy stargates. For example, if the Destiny is travelling through a galaxy it can't go anywhere in that galaxy, it can only go within a limited range, that's why they put it on a ship, so as it moves through the galaxy it can move across it and explore stargates that have been seeded (here)

so it is established that the Destiny is moving around within a single galaxy, not moving from galaxy to galaxy.

And in the last episode of atlantis when it was used they transversed the void between the milky way and Pegasus in a very short time and considering the destinys in FTL more usually much longer then Atlantis was it makes sense that they would also travel a distance compriable.

However, the Destiny's drive technology is far older than Atlantis's, meaning that it is also much slower.

And given the density of habitable planets in the stargate universe it doesn't require the seeder ship to teraform.

Just a side note: most habitable planets seen in SG-1 or Atlantis were likely terraformed by the Ancients or Goa'uld, skewing our sample population.

[Houd]

Saying that Destiny jumps from Galaxy to Galaxy is a joke.

If it did, it would make no sense.

[escyos]

Saying that Destiny jumps from Galaxy to Galaxy is a joke.

If it did, it would make no sense.

how so?

[thekillman]

it would travel way too fast. if it really is 10 million years old and travelled a billion LY's, then it did some 100 LY/year

that's NOTHING. even at 10 billion LY's it's still 1000 LY/year.

[mickhhh]

how so?

cos that would make atantis look low tech and atlantis is way more advanced

[escyos]

cos that would make atantis look low tech and atlantis is way more advanced

ftl might be faster but might be more unstable and use more power and less reliable in the long run.

im not saying every jump is a new galaxy jus that the drive is not as slow or as fast as ppl think

[Quadhelix]

ftl might be faster but might be more unstable and use more power and less reliable in the long run.

It has been 10,000 years since Atlantis's last maintenance cycle, during which its hyperdrive was used only a handful of times (meaning next to no strain from use). Nevertheless, the hyperdrive stopped working due to disrepair in "Enemy at the Gate."

It has been 5,000,000 years (at least) since Destiny's last maintenance, during which it has been using its FTL drive almost constantly. Nevertheless, its FTL drive still works pretty much 100% of the time.

im not saying every jump is a new galaxy jus that the drive is not as slow or as fast as ppl think

We can, however, place an upper bound on its speed, through an analysis of the following three variables:

• T : the age of the Destiny
• L : how far from its launch site (Earth) the Destiny has traveled
• A : the fraction of its time that the Destiny spends exploring galaxies as opposed to traveling between them

First, we need to determine how much time the Destiny spent traveling between galaxies. This is not hard: you take the age of the Destiny (T) and subtract out how much time it spent exploring galaxies (T*A). You then divide the the distance by this amount: V = L/(T*(1-A)), which can be rewritten as (L/T)*1/(1-A)


We know that the Destiny must be at least 5 million years old ("He misspoke or was speaking sort of off-hand, assuming he wasn’t going to be called on it by a knowledgeable fan." (here)). However, the fact that the Destiny's Stargate is "the prototype" (here) would seem to set an age for the Destiny on the order of 50 million years or more.

The distance from Earth is established as being "several billion light-years," which could mean anything from 5 billion to 20 billion (although 20 is probably a lot more than "several").


Therefore, we can set a range for L/T: 100 c < L/T < 4,000 c. Therefore, all we need in order to complete this equation is 1/(1-A). However, we find a problem here: A is a function of V. We know that the Destiny stops roughly once every few days. Therefore, the higher the Destiny's speed, the farther apart its stops, and therefore the few stops that it makes in each galaxy.

In any case, we can probably set an upper bound on A at ~0.99, which would make V=400,000 c.

In "Enemies," a Ha'Tak was expected to take 125 years to travel 4 million light-years. Its speed, then, would be roughly 32,000 c. In other words, the absolute upper bound on the Destiny's speed is still only about 12 times as fast as Goa'uld Ha'Tak.

[escyos]

several is indefinite...you CANNOT generalise.....

[Quadhelix]

several is indefinite...you CANNOT generalise.....

It is indefinite, but I can set a reasonable upper limit:

sev·er·al [sévv?r?l]
CORE-MEANING: a grammatical word indicating a small number
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Note: "a small number."

The visible universe is only about 14 billion light-years in radius, so even that would be more than "several." Indeed, if they were more than 14 billion light-years, Rush could have just said that they were outside the visible universe.