How many System Lords have gone down now? (SPOILERS)

[@Li3n]

And I'd like to know what happened to Osiris! I can't believe they let taht little bit drop, especially since they went to the trouble of showing Sara de-goa'ulded at the end of Chimera!

Acording 2 Jacob in Threads

Spoiler:

the Tok'ra remove the symbiote from the host by killing it before it can release the toxin that kills the host, so Osiris iz dead.

Sarah kinda fell into a plothole.

[the daedalus project]

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Surely anubis is dead? because the only reason the ancients didn't kill him is because he wasn't using his ascended abilities, so as soon as oma attacks him he has to use these, thus meaning the other ascendants would surely whoop his ass??

[emily_reich]

ok, sekhmet/anna added... STILKL SPOILERS THROUGH RECKONING 2!!

Ra (Supreme System Lord, killed on first Stargate mission)
Hathor (former System Lord, killed by O’Neill)
Seth/Setesh (killed by Sam)
Amounet (wife of Apophis, killed by Teal’c)
Bynarr (underling to Sokar, killed by Apophis)
Sokar (System Lord, killed by exploding planet)
Heru’ur (System Lord, killed by Apophis)
Cronus (System Lord, killed by Teal’c)
Apophis (System Lord, killed in crashing ship, revived by enemy (who again?), killed again later (by who?))
Marduk (killed by SG-1)
Imhotep (minor Lord, killed by Teal’c)
Nirrti (System Lord, killed by one of her subjects)
Mot (Underlord to Baal, killed by one of his subjects)
???? (Goa’uld that infested Adrian Conrad, ejected into space)
Tilgath (minor Lord, killed by supersoldier)
Ramius (minor Lord, killed by supersoldier)
???? (Goa’uld in service of Apophis, killed by Sam)
???? (Goa’uld that infested Kiana of Kelowna, died saving Kiana)
Osiris (removed from Sarah, presumed dead)
Anubis (defeated and marooned, back in power as half-ascended being)
Moloc (minor Lord, killed by Jaffa)
Bastet (System Lord, killed in Baal’s aggressions)
Olokun (System Lord, killed in Baal’s aggressions)
Ares (System Lord, destroyed by Ancient puddlejumper)
Infected Trust Members (destroyed on an Alkesh by the Prometheus)

Terok (minor Goa'uld, killed by Teal'c - 4x14)
Ja'din (minor Goa'uld scientist, killed by Carter - 4x21)
Tiamat (minor Goa'uld, killed by Marduk - only mentioned)
Zipacna (System Lord, killed by Elliott - 5x16 - this is not sure, later they mentioned his Jaffa army in 5x18 and 6x06)
Svarog (System Lord, killed by Ancient machine on Latona - 5x20)
Khonsu (System Lord / Tok'Ra killed by He'rak - 6x08 - he was in the 1x01 COTG too)
Shak'ran (System Lord, killed By Apophis - 6x10 - only mentioned)
??? (minor Goa'uld scientist, killed by Anubis - 7x02)
Thoth (minor Goa'uld scientist, killed by Carter - 7x12)
Thanos (System Lord, killed by his naquadria experiment - 7x14 - only mentioned by Jonas)
Camulus (System Lord, killed by Ba'ál - 8x12 - only mentioned by Vala)
Klorel (the symbiote of Skaara, removed by tok'ra - 3x15)
Gyn'ar (the symbiote of Vala - 8x12 - only mentioned)

Yu (system lord, killed by replicarter, reckoning 1)
??? (system lord? presumed killed by replicarter, reckoning 1)
??? (system lord? also presumed killed by replicarter, reckoning 1)
??? (underling to Baal/ Baal's representative, presumed killed by replicarter, reckoning 1)
Tanith (underling goa'uld under Anubis, killed by Teal'c)
??? (goa'uld inside unas, demons)
??? (goa'uld inside unas, thor's hammer)
Isis (mate to Osiris, killed accidentally through destruction of statis container)
Sekhmet/Anna (Sekhmet: goa'uld, possibly system lord, symbiote killed at time unknown, Anna: memories of Sekhmet, death by suicide; resurrection)
Amaterasu (system lord, presumed killed by replicators, reckoning 1)

a comment on zippy though... in abyss (season 6 obviously ), they say kanaan was working as underling in zipacna's fleet, implying he was still alive... but chances are he's been killed since...


KNOWN still living goa'uld or NOT KNOWN TO BE DEAD:

Anubis
Baal

[@Li3n]

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Surely anubis is dead? because the only reason the ancients didn't kill him is because he wasn't using his ascended abilities, so as soon as oma attacks him he has to use these, thus meaning the other ascendants would surely whoop his ass??

Guess what:Oma herself said that she'd just be keeping him from the material plane when Anubis said she couldn't destroy him.
(get it?)
I prefer 2 think Anubis planned everything 2 make the Orii start taking action and that he'll be back in s9 or s10.

[Osiris]

Tanith was killed by Teal'c!

Spoiler:

Amaterasu was probably killed by the replicators.
Anubis is locked into an eternal fight with Oma.

[emily_reich]

^ ok, i edited it

as for anubis:

Spoiler:

he can still wreak havoc in the galaxy, though (fight with oma or otherwise...) correct?

[SG-4MarineLeader]

This is a list of Goa'uld of all types killed or likely killed, who did it, and when.


Movie
1-Ra, Supreme System Lord, killed by Jack and Danied.

Season 1
2-Kawolsky Goa'uld, killed by Stargate removing back of head.
3-Unas in Thor's Hammer, killed by SG-1.

Season2
4-Ashrak, working for Cronus, killed by Teal'c.
5-Goa'uld spy in Tok'Ra organization, removed and killed.

Season 3
6-Unnamed Goa'uld put in Jack, killed by Jack being put into hybernation.
7-Hathor, minor queen rising up, killed by Jack, shoved into acid.
8-Seth, hiding on Earth, killed by Carter.
9-2nd Unas, minor Goa'uld working for Sokar, killed by SG-1.
10-Amunet, Goa'uld queen, possibly under Heru'ur, killed by Teal'c.
11-By'nar, underlord of Sokar, killed by Apophis.
12-Sokar, very powerful System Lord, rouge for some reason, killed by exploding moon caused by SG-1 and Tok'Ra.
13-Klorel, son of Apophis, removed from host by Tok'Ra, possibly killed later.

Season 4
14-Isis, Goa'uld queen, killed when canopic jar was damaged.
15-Terok, Goa'uld torturer in service of Heru'ur, killed by Rac'nor in effort to free Teal'c.
16-Heru'ur, System Lord, killed by Apophis after unknown interference from Tok'Ra and SG-1
17-Ja'din, goa'uld scientist/engineer in service of Cronus, killed when robot Daniel self destructed.
18-Cronus, System Lord, killed by robot Teal'c.

Season 5
19-Apophis, powerful system lord, killed when ship crashed, destroying planet that may have been former capital of Sokar, and later Apopis's domain.
20-Marduk, possibly former System Lord, killed by SG-1 and Russian team.
21-Tanith, spy for Apophis, underlord for Anubis. Killed by Teal'c when Al'kesh was destroyed.
22-Imoteph, minor Goa'uld, killed by Teal'c after warning from Yu.
23-Svarog, System Lord, possibly killed by Sentinel.

Season 6
24-2nd Ashrak, loyal to Anubis, killed by Bra'tac at Alpha Site.
25-Nirrti, former System Lord, possibly regained position, killed by Telecinetic test subject after convincing from SG-1
26-Mot, underlord of Baal, attempted to destroy SGC, killed by native of planet using an SG team member's gun.

Season 7
27-Minor Goa'uld scientist/engineer working for Anubis, killed by Herak after order from Anubis.
28-Tilgath, minor Goa'uld, killed by supersoldier.
29-Ramius, minor Goa'uld, killed by supersoldier.
30-Thoth, scientist/engineer working on supersoldier project for Anubis, killed by Sam and Jacob Carter/Selmak.
31-Goa'uld queen, used to procure symbiotes for supersoldiers, killed by Teal'c or Sam Carter with C4 explosives.
32-Goa'uld spy in service of Baal on Kelowna in girlfriend of Jonas Quinn, sacrificed itself for the host to live.
33-Osiris, possibly former System Lord, then underlord of Anubis, captured, removed from host, more than likely killed.
34-Sehkmet/Anna, served Ra, killed after genetic experiments conducted by rouge NID scientists.

Season 8
35-Molok, possibly System Lord, controlled unknown number of planets and had a fleet of Hataks, as well as a large army, killed by Maverick missiles plowing into his chest, also taking out several dozen jaffa standing with him.
36-Bastet, System Lord, killed by Baal.
37-Olukon, System Lord, killed by Baal.
38-Ares, System Lord, killed by Jack with use of a puddle jumper.
39-Minor Goa'uld, possibly spy or Ashrak, killed on Prometheus after infiltrating the Trust.
40-Minor Goa'uld, possibly spy or Ashrak, killed on Prometheus after infiltrating the Trust.
41-Minor Goa'uld, possibly spy or Ashrak, killed on Prometheus after infiltrating the Trust.
42-Minor Goa'uld, possibly spy or Ashrak, killed on Prometheus after infiltrating the Trust.
43-Great Lord Yu, Oldest known living System Lord, with possibly exception of Anubis, killed by Replicarter.
44-Underlord of Baal, likely went out the same way Lord Yu did.
45-Unknown Goa'uld, probably System Lord, likely went the same way as Lord Yu.
46-Unknown Goa'uld, probably System Lord, likely wnet the same way as Lord Yu.



Mentioned that may or may not still be alive somewhere.
Baal
Amaterasu, System Lord, may or may not have been killed by replicators, could still be alive.
Camulus, captured by Baal, may or may not still be alive.
Morrigan, System Lord, surrendered to Baal, may or may not still be alive.
Kali, System Lord, may or may not still be alive.
Zipacna, underlord of Apophis and Anubis, may have become System Lord, may or may not still be alive.
Phelops, mentioned early in season one during episode where Jack is infested with nanites that make him age. May have been System Lord and may or may not still be alive somewhere.
Nephertim, mentioned during season 3 episode "New Ground", served Ra, may or may not still be alive somewhere.

[emily_reich]

missed one:

apophis dies the first time in serpent's song, season 2
amaterasu was apparently killed by replicators in reckoning 1, season 8

also, amounet was queen of APOPHIS ...not heru'ur

[Klorel]

I have counted at least 15.

[gwangung]

Dang. Some body count.

Tell me again why the Tok'ra thought picking off System Lords was a bad idea?

[glnblnd]

Dang. Some body count.

Tell me again why the Tok'ra thought picking off System Lords was a bad idea?

Because each time a system lord is picked off a more warlike one comes up in its place. At least that is the explanation that jacob/selmac (i know i probably messed up that spelling) gave to o'neill (don't even ask me to recall the season/episode because i can't)

[emily_reich]

...he's said it several times... but i BELIEVE he says it in either enemies/exodus or serpent's venom...

[Jarnin]

I reformatted the list. Personally, I don't think how a system lord died is as important as if they're dead or not. I also left out the no-named minor goa'uld and ashrak because they're just Goa'uld fodder; only slightly more status than a Jaffa.
I listed each with which episode they died or apparently died in, so you can look up the details in the omnipedia here at gateworld.

I may have mislabled one or two here, so let me know if you see a mistake.

Deceased System Lords

1. Ra - Stargate: The Motion Picture
2. Heru'ur - Season 4 "The Serpent's Venom"
3. Cronus - Season 4 "Double Jeopardy"
4. Tilgath - Season 7 "Evolution, Part 1"
5. Ramius - Season 7 "Evolution, Part 1"
6. Molok - Season 8 "Sacrifices"
7. Bastet - Season 8 "It's Good to Be King"
8. Olukun - Season 8 "It's Good to Be King"
9. Ares - Season 8 "It's Good to Be King"
10. Yu - Season 8 "Reckoning, Part 1"
11. Unknown System Lord 1 - Season 8 "Reckoning, Part 1"
12. Unknown System Lord 2 - Season 8 "Reckoning, Part 1"

Deceased Rogue System Lords

1. Unknown Unas - Season 1 "Thor's Hammer"
2. Seth - Season 3 "Seth"
3. Sokar - Season 3 "The Devil You Know"
4. Apophis - Season 5 "Enemies"
5. Marduk - Season 5 "The Tomb"
6. Nirrti - Season 6 "Metamorphosis"

System Lords Presumed Dead

1. Phelops - Season 1 "Brief Candle"
2. Svarog - Season 5 "The Sentinel"
3. Camulus - Season 8 "Zero Hour"
4. Amaterasu - Season 8 "Reckoning, Part 1"

System Lords Presumed Alive

1. Morrigan - Season 8 "It's Good to Be King"
2. Baal - Season 8 "Reckoning, Part 2"
3. Kali

Deceased Under Lords

1. Unknown Unas - Season 3 "Demons"
2. By'nar - Season 3 "Jolinar's Memories"
3. Terok - Season 4 "The Serpent's Venom"
4. Ja'din - Season 4 "Double Jeopardy"
5. Tanith - Season 5 "48 Hours"
6. Imoteph - Season 5 "The Warrior"
7. Mot - Season 6 "Prophecy"
8. Unknown Goa'uld - Season 7 "Fallen"
9. Thoth - Season 7 "Evolution, Part 2"
10. Unknown Goa'uld - Season 7 "Fallout"
11. Sehkmet/Anna - Season 7 "Resurrection"

Under Lords Presumed Dead

1. Klorel - Season 3 "Pretense"
2. Nephertim - Season 3 "New Ground"
3. Zipacna - Season 5 "Last Stand"
4. Osiris - Season 7 "Chimera"

Deceased Queens

1. Hathor - Season 3 "Into the Fire"
2. Amaunet - Season 3 "Forever in a Day"
3. Isis - Season 4 "The Curse"
4. Unknown Queen - Season 7 "Evolution, Part 2"

[emily_reich]

there should be another "under lord presumed dead": baal's representative in reckoning

that's the only one i can think of now as being missing

[Unas]

Tilgath, Ramius, and Molloch are not system lords. The first two were called minor goa'uld and the last one was always called "the Goa'uld Molloch". Molloch was powerful but never referred to as a system lord.

Pelops was never called a system lord either, the phrase "system lord" does not make its first appearance until the next episode (Thor's Hammer).

[gwangung]

Because each time a system lord is picked off a more warlike one comes up in its place. At least that is the explanation that jacob/selmac (i know i probably messed up that spelling) gave to o'neill (don't even ask me to recall the season/episode because i can't)

Yeah, but pick 'em off fast enough, and you get massive chaos. AND, by definition, the ones coming up aren't gonna be as competent (cause that's why they're down on the bottom and not a System Lord themselves)...

For a species that doesn't get a lot of respect, the Tau'rii sure have stirred up the galaxy in just a handful of years.....

[SG-4MarineLeader]

In my list I didn't count Apophis dieing in season 2 because as most everyone knows he comes back, bigger and badder than ever in season 3. I only count the times that a Goa'uld dies for good.

Although Amonet was the queen of Apophis, when she was killed, a number of jaffa, specifically Horus guards, are with her, which would indicate that she managed to convince jaffa loyal to Heru'ur or possibly leftover jaffa from Hathor or maybe even Ra to serve her, or that she made some sort of pact with Heru'ur. The possibility of a pact with Heru'ur is possible, but not definite, seeing as Horus guards were present.

I would have to agree that Amaterasu may be dead from the replicators, but until I hear confirmed word that she is dead, I will consider her to possibly still be alive. The same goes for Camulus, Zipacna, Kali, Phelops, and Nephertim.

Although it was never mentioned that Moloc was or was not a System Lord, in "Birthright" it was mentioned that he controlled several planets, likely in several different solar systems, and that his armies were vast. In "Sacrifices" it was mentioned that he had a fleet of Ha'taks, which could have been as few as 2 or 3, or a couple dozen or more, and at least one temple. While he may not have been a System Lord, he was apparently not working for any other Goa'uld, and was definitely a powerful Goa'uld.

[emily_reich]

The possibility of a pact with Heru'ur is possible, but not definite, seeing as Horus guards were present.

well remember that it is during "peace talks" between apophis and heru'ur in season 4 (a couple years later) that her'ur is killed... and as i recall, they were supposed to be enemies... i'd say all the horus guards were either guys who switched sides (or taken after some victory... whatever... similar something ).... or from hathor as you suggested...

remember also that heru'ur was trying to take the harsesis in the ep he was born in (can't remember the title! grr)... though amounet did lie to apophis about it...

but amounet was still definately apophis' queen, not heru'ur's.... she may have been betraying apophis and helping him, but as far as anything in the show ever says or shows, she's apophis' queen

[SG-4MarineLeader]

At the time though Apophis was being tortured by Sokar and By'nar, so Amonet had to either join someone else or build up a force of her own to survive. Maybe she made a deal with Heru'ur, something like give me some troops and weapons and I will bring you the Harceisis child. Of course there is no evidence to support such an alliance even being considered, so it would be pure speculation on the part of the viewers unless information about the event is released in a later episode, or if you consider them canon, a novel or comic book.

On a side note, could someone please tell me which forum would be the best place to discuss Stargate SG-1 books?

[emily_reich]

hey, you're speaking to the QUEEN here of wild speculation and that IS kinda an interesting theory... hmmm... *looks into those episode further... *

as for book discussion... prob'ly the OT forum.... or gen. discussion... i dunno... how many books are there anyway??? i've only even seen one at the library or regular book store