Sam Carter /Jack O'Neill Ship Appreciation Thread 2.0

[Cagranosalis]

at all the "normal" maritial issues...perhaps I should go a monastry(sp?) ...will be a lot easier I will take several "toy boys" with me then

You know I missed the word "boys" there on the first read and just got "toys" and the mental image of you taking *cough* toys to a monastary with you. You know the kind of toys I mean. Like the one Sam kept under her pillow while she was stationed on Atlantis - next to the picture of Jack. The one he had to send her more D cells for.




Regarding all this discussion about marital problems in fanfic, I do think an awful lot of whether you think it works are a fanfic story or not is very subjective to whether you think it's in character / canon for them to get to that point. If you're a stickler for strict canon you, probably, won't see it or like it. But that's not to say it's not worth writing because, IMO writing a very good, well, planned and fleshed out stories with a lot of believability on them in general, and an interesting plot, will go a long way to making a story worth reading regrdless of how unlikely it might be (ok, maybe not completely because there's limits but in general there's wiggle room when it's well written) I will just cite The Torment Of Tantalus here (the fanfic not the episode) which has a really rather out of character Sam and both Sam and Jack and even the others acting in ways I would say they just would not but it's a great story and imminently readable regardless of that.
Personally I am a big fan of canon but I don't mind reading AU or slightly out of charcater stuff if it's well written and the purpose of the piece is to explore the "what if" of that scenario. What ifs are good and the meat and bones of fiction IMO. And, face it, in fanfiction you can write whatever the heck you like; that's rather the point of it, actually!

So I would say, if your muse takes you and you want to go ahead and write something which tests the bounds of their relationship, go right ahead and do so.


EDIT: I just thought actually. VSS wrote The Theory Of General Relativity which has a nice bit of relationship angst in the last few chapters. That's done for very believable reasons so worth reading (and generally, worth reading anyway because it's weep inducingly good, but read the prequel - As The World Doesn't Turn). Sorry no links yet as I am at work and I daren't open FF.net or I'll never stop reading.

[leiasky]

A few random S/J established fic recs:

Kissin' in the Back Row - PepperJ

Dimensionless Quantities - Mrs. Pollifax

Just Your Average Everyday - Mrs. Pollifax

Coffee by A.Loquita

Still Waters - A.Loquita

Yeah. Most of these.. not so angsty

One just can't read 'Coffee' too many times. I adore that little fic.

[JenniferJF]

EDIT: I just thought actually. VSS wrote The Theory Of General Relativity which has a nice bit of relationship angst in the last few chapters. That's done for very believable reasons so worth reading (and generally, worth reading anyway because it's weep inducingly good, but read the prequel - As The World Doesn't Turn). Sorry no links yet as I am at work and I daren't open FF.net or I'll never stop reading.

lol. You realize, though, those are completely AU already?

[Nynaeve506]

Regarding all this discussion about marital problems in fanfic, I do think an awful lot of whether you think it works are a fanfic story or not is very subjective to whether you think it's in character / canon for them to get to that point. If you're a stickler for strict canon you, probably, won't see it or like it. But that's not to say it's not worth writing because, IMO writing a very good, well, planned and fleshed out stories with a lot of believability on them in general, and an interesting plot, will go a long way to making a story worth reading regrdless of how unlikely it might be (ok, maybe not completely because there's limits but in general there's wiggle room when it's well written) I will just cite The Torment Of Tantalus here (the fanfic not the episode) which has a really rather out of character Sam and both Sam and Jack and even the others acting in ways I would say they just would not but it's a great story and imminently readable regardless of that.
Personally I am a big fan of canon but I don't mind reading AU or slightly out of charcater stuff if it's well written and the purpose of the piece is to explore the "what if" of that scenario. What ifs are good and the meat and bones of fiction IMO. And, face it, in fanfiction you can write whatever the heck you like; that's rather the point of it, actually!

So I would say, if your muse takes you and you want to go ahead and write something which tests the bounds of their relationship, go right ahead and do so.


EDIT: I just thought actually. VSS wrote The Theory Of General Relativity which has a nice bit of relationship angst in the last few chapters. That's done for very believable reasons so worth reading (and generally, worth reading anyway because it's weep inducingly good, but read the prequel - As The World Doesn't Turn). Sorry no links yet as I am at work and I daren't open FF.net or I'll never stop reading.

I love VSS' stuff and those were so good. I too enjoy AU myself - I'm a "what if" kinda person and I like seeing the characters in more extreme settings than what we see in the show. I enjoy canon too - and I'll put up with a little OOC for a well written fic but the line is really thin where that's concerned. AU interests me both reading/writing because it gives me a chance to explore an aspect of the character that is perhaps only hinted at in the show. Plus, it also sometimes lets me flesh out plots from the show that I think realistically would have probably gone a different way. But it's not everyone's cup o' tea. But I don't like AU as an excuse to just make the characters do whatever - I've thought about "what if" and come to the conclusion that there's no way in any galaxy that would ever happen (a sweeping example are the stories where Sam gets pregnant and never tells Jack - I never buy it).

Ultimately though the thing with fanfic and such is it's for entertainment. I'm not going fault or think less of someone because they write a fic that I disagree with - I'm just probably not going to read it because I wouldn't enjoy it - we'd just have to agree to disagree

[Linda06]

hi just thought that i would say that i loved these two together i hope that if the next film is made that we actually see them together

Welcome to the nuthouse Come join us in the cavern We have cookies.

Humorous but mentions "feminine products"

Spoiler:

Well I thought maybe I'd have Jack go to the grocery store and by the wrong kind of tampon, only to come home and find Sam hysterical because well, it's that time of the month, then she packs her bags and runs off to a cheesy motel while Jack gets drunk with whiskey. Then he trips and falls and starts bleeding out his nose and the only thing he has are tampons and when Sam comes home the next day (after having taken some Midol and eaten some chocolate) she finds him sprawled out on the couch with a tampon shoved up his nose.

But in retrospect I think my second idea about Jonas is better

Don't we all
*waves* Yay my first post, Hi all

Welcome You can join us in the cavern too

[starlover]

Cags...the plastic never replaces the real... suddenly remembers "bob" (which is an abbreviation

Link:
I just wanted to link it but it are "M" stories thus...Link to VSS author page the fanfics are called "As the World doesn't turn" and its sequel "The Theory of General Relativity"
and from Karibou...same story("M" rated) Karibou's author page link All of her ship stories are recommended IMHO ...although they can get quite...heated...

[starlover]

Welcome You can join us in the cavern too

I'm sure she prefers the gutter...I mean pond

[kusanagi]

I'm sure she prefers the gutter...I mean pond

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1...z/gifs/wow.gif

Mmmmmm, how I love it!!!

[starlover]

Glad you like it Kusanagi but please don't forget to remove the img tags of the pic... You have to delete them in here when quoting pictures/videos.

[Linda06]

I'm sure she prefers the gutter...I mean pond

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1...z/gifs/wow.gif

Aye but she has to go through the cavern to get to the gutter pond

[starlover]

Aye but she has to go through the cavern to get to the gutter pond

How do you know that?

*looks at location*

OH yes...well...but when you're in there is no going out...

*blinks*

Well that came out wrong...

Oh yeez...

Nevermind me...

[Linda06]

How do you know that?

*looks at location*

OH yes...well...but when you're in there is no going out...

*blinks*

Well that came out wrong...

Oh yeez...

Nevermind me...

oooooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy......No more spending time with Bren for you

[kusanagi]

About S/J and their marital problems.
Well, I don't enjoy this kind of stories at all. Probably because I don't find them truthful. Sam and Jack went through hell together (not only in personal life). IMO when people find themselves in a life threat situation, a special bond is created between them. For our characters it was something they were dealing with for 8 years (when both in the team). Surely just because of that they've got deeper understanding of each other (the other possibilities are that I'm a totally helpless romantic or really naive ). Anyway, I think their relationship is fully mature and goes beyond that! Of course they do have different kinds of arguments but I wouldn't say it's something major, like walking away from each other or cheating.or maybe I'm just optimistic...?
At least that's what I think. Man, writing in english is so hard

[kusanagi]

Glad you like it Kusanagi but please don't forget to remove the img tags of the pic... You have to delete them in here when quoting pictures/videos.

Ok, will do, thanks for reminding me

Aye but she has to go through the cavern to get to the gutter pond

Sounds a wee bit scottish Is there any connection?

[ddc]

On the marital issues debate one situation where I can see them having some problems is when one or both retire and they're finally living in the same house in the same city all the time after all these years of a long-distance marriage. Nothing threatening their relationship just a bump in the road.

[Linda06]

Ok, will do, thanks for reminding me


Sounds a wee bit scottish Is there any connection?

Well I'm Scottish so yeah, there's probably a connection

[starlover]

oooooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy......No more spending time with Bren for you

I'm just making sure everyone stays in the gutter when she isn't here

[Linda06]

I'm just making sure everyone stays in the gutter when she isn't here

I thought she lived in the gutter

[starlover]

I thought she lived in the gutter

She does: P as do I

[UhSir]

So, reading all these posts about Sam/Jack having or not having marital problems, and seeing the HUGE VAST quantity of fiction out there about these people, one has to ask:

We all appreciate this couple--this is why we're on this thread. What is it about them? Beyond the obvious Grace kiss (Yum, by the way) and the tension between them.

I'll give my opinion--I want them to be happy--I care about them because they have been so strong under so much pain in their lives that I feel that they deserve to find some peace.

Oh yeah, and they've saved Earth like, what, 9 times?

I'm just wondering what other people will say.

Essentially, they are characters on a TV show (GASP!). Why do we care so much?

I love talking about this!! I'll have to dig back and find my earlier posts about this but it'll have to wait until after I finish up the Ultimate Video List. Hmm, I really should keep a copy on my hard drive. I did find something I'd saved out a while back and then completely forgot about.

When I read this quote I thought of how perfectly it defines what I love about the Sam/Jack relationship.

"There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of weakness, but of power. They speak more eloquently than ten thousand tongues. They are messengers of overwhelming grief, of deep contrition, and unspeakable love."
-- Washington Irving

It's all about the angst, baby!!!