Why is Greer allowed to carry a weapon again?

[FallenAngelII]

He's practically portrayed and semi-psychotic. He apparently assaulted Telford because "he was asking for it", he denied Rush water and then threatened to shoot him on that one planet and in this episode, he practically acts threateningly towards his new commander.

He comes to Camille Wray in her quarters, stands in front of her, looks at her with that semi-psychotic look of his, then speaks in quasi-threatening manner about how she suspected him of being the killer. I mean, why would he even discuss that with her? Then he just stood there, clearly trying to intimidate her and when she asked him to step aside, he did and then told her "I'm not going anywhere".

Clearly there's something wrong with Young and Scott, who seem to think the world of him. OK, so maybe he's good at shoot things. But I'm with Wray on this one. I'd have him as my prime suspect too if someone ended up dead anywhere near him. He's got some aggression issues and it might just be a matter of time before he actually kills someone.

I can understand Young sympathizing with his quasi-psychosis. But Scott? What, they're friends so he'll overlook his macho overzealous assaults and death threats?

[Daro]

I have been wondering the same thing. I gave it up as a lack of imagination on Young and Scott's parts, because this is a friend and commrade of theirs. But Greer has pointed guns at unarmed people one too many times, and made too many threats. Then again, when you let a sad, sick man like the guy who killed himself run around, Greer might not seem so bad.
He's dangerous. A grenade that's on Young's side, for now, and god help the commander if that grenade comes back to blow up in his face.

[Lord Hurin]

What exactly has he done wrong, besides stick up for himself and his commander?

Prior to "Air" he was locked up for hitting Telford. We don't know why, but considering how manipulative and antagonistic Telford is, it could've been deserved.

In "Air 1/2" Greer aimed his gun at Rush because he'd gotten them all trapped on this ship. Out of line? Perhaps, but understandable. At least more than the other characters, who haven't really brought that fact up or held any ill-will against Rush for getting them in their predicament.
Then he gave Wray a little trouble after she suggested he be locked up. In fairness, it wasn't her decision and he pointed this out. She seemed to be trying to intimidate Greer and he let her know that he wouldn't be having it.

In "Air 3" he got fed up with Rush, pushed him down and pulled his gun on him AFTER Rush tried taking the water. He later shot Franklin on Rush's orders and to prevent them from getting stuck on the desert world.

Surely there are more examples of him being gung-ho and more than willing to pull his gun out and let it do the talking. From his "psych evaluation" in "Life" it sounds like he had a rough home life and that he was almost conditioned to follow in dad's footsteps and be a soldier. He also seems to think that being a hard-ass marine is the only way he can contribute, so he does it to his best ability. Psychopaths typically don't have control over their emotions and actions, which is why they're dangerous. I think if Greer was a true psychopath, he wouldn't have stopped before hurting Wray, shooting Rush, etc.

[Daro]

Shoving around a puny little scientist over a drink of water? Threatening to shoot him more than once? All he's shown, by not following through, is that he's not yet willing to defy the orders he's been given.

[The Mighty 6 platoon]

Greer has had the charges dropped for the time being and has been allowed back on duty because his CO has decided it. As CO of Icarus and the group on the Destiny Young has decided that Greer, being the most experienced military member on the base is more use helping the crew rather than being locked up. He has the power to do that, if when Greer returns to Earth Telford wants to bring up charges he can, until then it is up to Young what happens to him. That’s why he has been released.

As for his actions, well they are frankly probably what most military members would do, right or wrong. The best way to anger a person in the military is to have their CO, especially if they respect and like there CO, caught up with politics and bureaucratic games. You may not like it but the majority of military personnel would have not exactly been supportive of Wray. Despite that episodes like Time have proved that Greer has a strong protective streak, he is very upset when a different version of himself cant save people in Time, so he’s hardly simply psychotic.

[strods]

Greer is like my favorite character. He's the career soldier. Dedicated to his duty and likes combat a little too much. Now assulting an officer is a no no, a big no no, but there's not a soldier that's served that didn't want to do it. So the writers gave us one who did.

Of all the charater flaws SGU is giving us, somehow this guy is the one that bothers me the least.

[SoulReaver]

He comes to Camille Wray in her quarters, stands in front of her, looks at her with that semi-psychotic look of his, then speaks in quasi-threatening manner about how she suspected him of being the killer. I mean, why would he even discuss that with her? Then he just stood there, clearly trying to intimidate her and when she asked him to step aside, he did and then told her "I'm not going anywhere".

not to mention he was gonna beat the crap outa Wray back in the pilot ep (to think some ppl compare him to Teal'c. lol). anyway as to why Young let him keep his gun - double standards, simple. this is even more blatant in Spencer's case

[Lord Hurin]

not to mention he was gonna beat the crap outa Wray back in the pilot ep (to think some ppl compare him to Teal'c. lol). anyway as to why Young let him keep his gun - double standards, simple. this is even more blatant in Spencer's case

Ah, I remember this debate. It's the "Teal'c beat his wife, but we can look past that. Greer was menacing to a woman who was implying she wanted him locked up and we can't let that slide!"

I will again defend Greer and say that in that episode, he could've hit Wray and proven that he is a psycho. He didn't, and it wasn't under orders.

In this episode, he was looking out for his fellow marines and trying to size up Wray as a C.O. Was she going to let the marines do their jobs and protect the scientists, or would she reassign them all to duties that don't frighten her?

I think that once an enemy comes trying to pick a fight with Destiny and her crew, you'll be glad Greer is along.

[SoulReaver]

Ah, I remember this debate. It's the "Teal'c beat his wife, but we can look past that. Greer was menacing to a woman who was implying she wanted him locked up and we can't let that slide!"

I will again defend Greer and say that in that episode, he could've hit Wray and proven that he is a psycho. He didn't, and it wasn't under orders.

In this episode, he was looking out for his fellow marines and trying to size up Wray as a C.O. Was she going to let the marines do their jobs and protect the scientists, or would she reassign them all to duties that don't frighten her?

I think that once an enemy comes trying to pick a fight with Destiny and her crew, you'll be glad Greer is along.

oh u mean way back in season 1 when Teal'c was fresh off his home planet & still adjusting to his new way o life ?
also, "beat his wife" ? must've been a cut scene...actually nope it didn't happen at all -_-
btw was Greer also brainwashed via 1337 alien tech to serve as righthand man to a galactic overlord by any chance ? Teal'c at least was able to overcome this. Greer can barely control his own impulses (he might make a good jaffa)
yeah Wray was concerned about having a potentially dangerous nutjob toting a gun around and had recently been in a holding cell, but heck he's wearing da uniform so obviously the rest is irrelevant isn't it :/ Greer was gonna beat the daylight outa her if Scott hadn't intervened
as for having Greer when the enemy strikes...not really - he's kinda like Deadpool minus the wit (minus most of the qualities), he can turn against u at any moment just for the heck of it lol

[Avenger]

Greer has had the charges drooped for the time being and has been allowed back on duty because his CO has decided it. As CO of Icarus and the group on the Destiny Young has decided that Greer, being the most experienced military member on the base is more use helping the crew rather than being locked up. He has the power to do that, if when Greer returns to Earth Telford wants to bring up charges he can, until then it is up to Young what happens to him. That’s why he has been released.

As for his actions, well they are frankly probably what most military members would do, right or wrong. The best way to anger a person in the military is to have their CO, especially if they respect and like there CO, caught up with politics and bureaucratic games. You may not like it but the majority of military personnel would have not exactly been supportive of Wray. Despite that episodes like Time have proved that Greer has a strong protective streak, he is very upset when a different version of himself cant save people in Time, so he’s hardly simply psychotic.

Exactly. Greer is a salty, hardass. People need to understand that such people exist in the military, and tend to be very good at their job.

Greer was upset that he was removed from the off ship duty list. Additionally, they way it was done by Wray was an absolute insult. The order came from her as opposed to someone in his actual chain of command. Had it been Scott or Young taking him off the list, he would have complied with the order.

Wray took him off the list out of spite. Not liking someone does not justify removing someone from duty like that.

[UniGater]

Scott did eliminate him as a suspect of the matter, before Wray took over command over Young.

But as far as off world... he is currently on 'standby'? Thought I doubt this condition will exist as Young makes his way back.

[PG15]

In "Air 1/2" Greer aimed his gun at Rush because he'd gotten them all trapped on this ship. Out of line? Perhaps, but understandable. At least more than the other characters, who haven't really brought that fact up or held any ill-will against Rush for getting them in their predicament.

To add to that, Greer only pulled the gun on Rush when Eli revealed that what Rush was about to do could destroy the ship.

So yeah, training a gun on someone who, with one push of a button, can kill everybody is probably not a bad idea.

[ARealArchaeologist]

Exactly. Greer is a salty, hardass. People need to understand that such people exist in the military, and tend to be very good at their job.

Greer was upset that he was removed from the off ship duty list. Additionally, they way it was done by Wray was an absolute insult. The order came from her as opposed to someone in his actual chain of command. Had it been Scott or Young taking him off the list, he would have complied with the order.

Wray took him off the list out of spite. Not liking someone does not justify removing someone from duty like that.

I do like Greer, but I have to say even if Young or Scott had given him that order, he would have figured who it really came from and that scene still would have happened. He's not afraid to speak his mind, and that what I like about him.

[natyanayaki]

I was going to copy and paste all the posts I agreed with, it would have been much simpler for me, but there were too many. Of the military personnel I've seen Greer, Riley and maybe James and TJ are the only ones I'd trust at this point, to actually make a selfless decision for good of those aboard. Additionally, I would want Greer with a weapon if we were on the same team, because I know he'd have my back.

Regarding Scott and Greer and their dynamic, if the writers explore it, I think it is potentially very interesting. Greer has the battle experience, Scott has the rank, their struggle to find a balance between the 2, when to decide who is thinking clearly, could be very interesting.

I do like Greer, but I have to say even if Young or Scott had given him that order, he would have figured who it really came from and that scene still would have happened. He's not afraid to speak his mind, and that what I like about him.

And when Greer went to speak to Wray, he did not go to threaten or intimidate her. Wray may have been intimidated, but I think Wray would have been intimidated by any of the military personnel, plus I think she really did not want the responsibility of command at that point.

[jcainhaze]

Greer IS a weapon.

[Taiko]

Greer is like my favorite character. He's the career soldier. Dedicated to his duty and likes combat a little too much. Now assulting an officer is a no no, a big no no, but there's not a soldier that's served that didn't want to do it. So the writers gave us one who did.

Of all the charater flaws SGU is giving us, somehow this guy is the one that bothers me the least.

Likes combat? Where does that come from? He was a prisoner released from confinement when the base was attacked. On the desert planet he stopped the dial home device from leaving and stranding the mission CO and half of the team. He attempted to enforce a superior officer's orders when Rush wouldn't step away from the button and when his Lieutenant told him to stand down he did, although he thought it was a mistake. After the Corporal was killed he took point against an unknown enemy. While standing guard during the lottery he swiftly put down a mutiny with the minimal force possible, and then guarded his commander against reprisals.

Master Sergeant Greer is simply the senior NCO, the "Top", and I have known many who act exactly like him.

[Pharaoh Atem]

cause if i had to have someone protect me i would want him

[FallenAngelII]

Then again, when you let a sad, sick man like the guy who killed himself run around, Greer might not seem so bad.

The difference between the two is that no one knew about what's-his-face's drug addiction. Practically everyone knows about Greer's aggression issues.

What exactly has he done wrong, besides stick up for himself and his commander?

There are ways of doing that without threatening people.

Prior to "Air" he was locked up for hitting Telford. We don't know why, but considering how manipulative and antagonistic Telford is, it could've been deserved.

Unless the "asking for it" was some kind of act of aggression, it is never OK for someone to hit someone else, no matter what certain people's alpha male genes are telling them. You don't just assault someone because you disagree with them.

In "Air 1/2" Greer aimed his gun at Rush because he'd gotten them all trapped on this ship. Out of line? Perhaps, but understandable. At least more than the other characters, who haven't really brought that fact up or held any ill-will against Rush for getting them in their predicament.

But very few of them would deny him water when he's clearly in pain and turn a gun on him and threaten his life. I doubt you'd just let it slide if you ever did someone wrong and then got a gun pointed at your head.

Then he gave Wray a little trouble after she suggested he be locked up. In fairness, it wasn't her decision and he pointed this out. She seemed to be trying to intimidate Greer and he let her know that he wouldn't be having it.

She tried to intimidate him?! He came to her, he stood in front of her door, he stared down at her not saying much. It's clear that he came there to threaten her without ever saying the "appropriate" words. And he said "I'm not going anywhere" at the end there, as if saying "You cannot lock me up and you know it!".

In "Air 3" he got fed up with Rush, pushed him down and pulled his gun on him AFTER Rush tried taking the water.

Only after he denied Rush water. Say what you will about Rush, you don't deny people water. Because you need that to survive. It's not like Rush had just used up all of his himself, he'd given his flask to Young (or Scott).

He later shot Franklin on Rush's orders and to prevent them from getting stuck on the desert world.

I didn't even mention this as it is irrelevant.

Surely there are more examples of him being gung-ho and more than willing to pull his gun out and let it do the talking.

Which is my point exactly. Normal epople don't do that.

From his "psych evaluation" in "Life" it sounds like he had a rough home life and that he was almost conditioned to follow in dad's footsteps and be a soldier. He also seems to think that being a hard-ass marine is the only way he can contribute, so he does it to his best ability. Psychopaths typically don't have control over their emotions and actions, which is why they're dangerous. I think if Greer was a true psychopath, he wouldn't have stopped before hurting Wray, shooting Rush, etc.

Which is why I said that he's semi/quasi-psychotic. He doesn't have total control of his emotions. When cornered, threatened, angry, sad, hungry or whatever he'll pull a gun on you and threaten your life. That's not normal or even OK, especially not when it is your job to protect the lives of others.

What happens when he freaks out and points a gun at a friendly alien, sparking an unnecessary battle that costs innocent people their lives?!

Look at it from a real life point of view: Would you want someone like that protecting you? Or your country?

Wray took him off the list out of spite. Not liking someone does not justify removing someone from duty like that.

Clearly you missed the parts of the pilot episode where Wray said that she does not want Greer wandering free because he was locked up "for good reason". We later found out that that reason was assault on a commanding officer.

Now I don't care if Telford is an ass, you have to be pretty damn stupid to assault your commanding officer and apparently without cause since he got locked up for it. It's one thing to defend yourself, it's another to initiate the fight simply for being pissed.

This proves that Greer is not in full control of himself, that he'll get into fights when angry. Which is not good. You can like his character as a TV character all you want. But would you want him as a neighbour? As a babysitter? As your bodyguard? As a soldier in your own real life army?

A man who could freak out and beat you up if you said the wrong thing to him?

And when Greer went to speak to Wray, he did not go to threaten or intimidate her. Wray may have been intimidated, but I think Wray would have been intimidated by any of the military personnel, plus I think she really did not want the responsibility of command at that point.

What possible reason would he have to go speak to Wray about that issue in that manner except to threaten him? Look at the way he stands, talks, looks at her. The things he says. It's subtle and it's not direct, but it's definitely meant to be threatening.

And, no, I doubt Wray would feel threatened by Scott.

[Avenger]

Clearly you missed the parts of the pilot episode where Wray said that she does not want Greer wandering free because he was locked up "for good reason". We later found out that that reason was assault on a commanding officer.

I didn't miss it. I'm well aware of what he did. Were they back on Earth, he probably would have been court marshaled. That's not the case, however. Young released him as is his right as the commanding officer.

Now I don't care if Telford is an ass, you have to be pretty damn stupid to assault your commanding officer and apparently without cause since he got locked up for it. It's one thing to defend yourself, it's another to initiate the fight simply for being pissed.

You don't know that Telford was Greer's CO. And it doesn't matter if Greer had cause. He'd be locked up pending a proper investigation. The investigation would determine whether or not to press charges. given that we don't know exactly what happened, you are in no position to assume that Greer would have been found guilty.

This proves that Greer is not in full control of himself, that he'll get into fights when angry. Which is not good. You can like his character as a TV character all you want. But would you want him as a neighbour? As a babysitter? As your bodyguard? As a soldier in your own real life army?

No, it doesn't prove anything since we don't know the circumstance uner which Greer struck Telford.

A man who could freak out and beat you up if you said the wrong thing to him?

Have we seen him beat up anyone? Do we know he has beat up anyone yet? Maybe he beat up Telford or maybe he hit him once.

What possible reason would he have to go speak to Wray about that issue in that manner except to threaten him? Look at the way he stands, talks, looks at her. The things he says. It's subtle and it's not direct, but it's definitely meant to be threatening.

Because he was pissed off about what happened and the way it happened. He was completely disrespected. Of course, you have to note that Greer didn't beat up Wray and that, although he was ticked off, he certainly was in control.

[FallenAngelII]

I didn't miss it. I'm well aware of what he did. Were they back on Earth, he probably would have been court marshaled. That's not the case, however. Young released him as is his right as the commanding officer.

The point remains. Wray did not remove Greer from gate duty simply out of spite, she did it because she feels he's a threat to the mission, that he's a loose canon!

You don't know that Telford was Greer's CO.

Sorry, let me rephrase that: Telford was Greer's superior officer.

And it doesn't matter if Greer had cause. He'd be locked up pending a proper investigation. The investigation would determine whether or not to press charges. given that we don't know exactly what happened, you are in no position to assume that Greer would have been found guilty.

You are always found guilty of assault if it's an assault, no matter what the cause was. Telford was free to resume his duty with no repercussions. Let's not assume Greer had cause to assault Telford just because it helps your argument. Greer was locked up for assaulting a superior officer. Telford was not locked up for engaging in a fistfight with Greer or for starting the scuffle, thus we have to assume Greer was the aggressor.

No matter what Telford did, Greer had no right to assault him.

Have we seen him beat up anyone? Do we know he has beat up anyone yet? Maybe he beat up Telford or maybe he hit him once.

We've seen him threaten to shoot people willy nilly. He's repeatedly characterized as missing many of the mental safeguards that prevents normal humans from turning aggressive and threatening people's lives whenever their tempers rise.

Because he was pissed off about what happened and the way it happened. He was completely disrespected. Of course, you have to note that Greer didn't beat up Wray and that, although he was ticked off, he certainly was in control.

The point is that he went to Wray to act threateningly in the first place. Normal people don't do that. He was disrespected? Wray feels that he was locked up "for good reason" and Young did not argue the fact.

So let's s top assuming that Greer was framed or had a really darn good reason to assault Telford. Until proven otherwise, Telford didn't lie about why he got assaulted. Telford didn't egg him on just to set him up.

Greer has been consistently portrayed a character who lacks composure.