Well, seeing as Helen said that she hadn't seen Olaf in decades...
I liked this episode, nice character bits. Though as much as I like the two hander episodes for their great characterisations I do wish that the show had a bigger budget so we could get a deeper look at other characters and not just Magnus & Will.
I'm willing to fund a 20 ep Season 3 but I just need to win the lottery first
*wanders off to buy a jackpot lottery ticket*
I actually liked how they were just left in the oil well and didn't waste time from the ep explaining how they got out. It fit with the ep being more about the characters than the situation.
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Also, the reason she gives, while valid and understandable, I would find much more so had Henry been there instead of Will. Who knew Ashley longer (and thus was probably closer to her)? Not to mention the fact that we never did get a real insight into how Henry dealt with her death.
That said, it was a fun episode to watch on its own. I just can't help but think I'd have enjoyed it much more had it been a Henry-Helen one, and it would also serve nicely to further Henry's character.
you're so cute when you're slurring your speech but they're closing the bar and they want us to leave
'What is it, Sebastian? I'm arranging matches.'
"Religion is far more of a choice than homosexuality. And the protections that we have, for religion --we protect religion-- and talk about a lifestyle choice! That is absolutely a choice. Gay people don't choose to be gay. At what age did you choose not to be gay?" (Jon Stewart, The King of Common Sense)
someone that made me laugh was when they talked about helen always working hard being because shes british, as a lazy british person i found that funny
As far as the Helen being saved by Molly Brown. According to wikipedia(which obviously isn't 100% reliable) Molly brown's lifeboat did go back in search of survivors. If that is the case then she could have rescued Magnus.
The Abnormal fight reminded me of Godzilla Two creatures duking it out while the human's watch.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm the rest of his life.
Will: ''WHAT IS IT ABOUT ME THAT THESE THINGS SEEM TO HATE!!''
CLASSIC Will line!
Edit: Will SyFy be taking a break with this too? Or is 02x09 still airing next week?
On a side note am I the only one projecting Teal'c over the big guy?
Just finished reading all of the posts and once again you all have beaten me to the punch. note to self: gotta stop having wild parties on Saturdays so I can post in good time. Anyway, here are my rambling (in no particular order) thoughts:
Helen in a wetsuit: a very good thing.
Will sticking his lower jaw out every 2 seconds a very annoying thing.
References to Titanic:a squee thing for me.
Will and Helen alternating between arguing and working together to solve a problem: one of my favorite things.
Although I would just as happily watch Helen and (insert name here) alternate between arguing and working together to solve a problem. The point being, it's about seeing the more emotional side of Helen battling with the more reserved part Helen that is ultimately more enjoyable for me, and these things usually happen when she is in a one-on-one "things are careening out of control" interaction with another character.
References to Ashley: always a good thing. You never get over the death of a loved one and seeing Ashley referenced throughout the season ads a level of realism to the show. (and probably pokes TPTB a bit)
As for the ending, I am thinking they will "hang a lantern on it" in the next episode or maybe they won't reference it at all if it's true that the eps will be shown out of order. They may just leave us to assume that the May-Day call went through.
A clip with 4 mistakes from this ep:
I don't blame Helen either, and I'm not bad either. I think it's safe to say Helen always knew she'd outlive Ashley, but she probably didn't think it'd happen so soon. She's behaving like any mother would after losing her only child, actually Helen didn't lose her, she was taken away from her. And it's natural that Helen didn't want to spent Ashley's birthday alone, and by her forcing Will to stay, means she trusts him enough to want to spent the day with. I think it's because Will also recently lost someone, so he knows how much it hurts.
I'm glad we got to see a little more into their personal side, and they both have this feeling of loneliness they can't shake.Fun episode. I loved the Helen/Will interaction. They are really good friends but there are still so many things they need to learn about each other (especially Will about Helen).
I love the call back to Ashley, and the fact that she isn't forgotten from the show.
Really enjoyed the Titanic part too. Umm.... Olaf... just.... NO.... seriously.
I'm not really surprised she was on the Titanic, I mean we see a paper about it in the opening credits, but I always thought it was to showcase the Mermaid, I never connected it to her actually being on the ship. When I look at the opening credits now, I think maybe she's one of those people being rescued in the paper-
Maybe she wasn't telling Will the truth about that.Well, seeing as Helen said that she hadn't seen Olaf in decades...
I'd like to a Helen and Henry episode.I liked this episode, nice character bits. Though as much as I like the two hander episodes for their great characterisations I do wish that the show had a bigger budget so we could get a deeper look at other characters and not just Magnus & Will.
You'd better win, and if you do, don't go off and say you didn't so you can keep the money for yourself.I'm willing to fund a 20 ep Season 3 but I just need to win the lottery first
*wanders off to buy a jackpot lottery ticket*
http://www.syfy.com/sanctuary/index.php (Beware of spoilers)
sillytrivia about the titanic
i have a book that was published in 1912, and it had lists of survivors and the dead
the first cabin survivors were 3 pages, the second cabin 2, and the third class and crew 'is omitted to the impossibility of obtaining the correct names of many' ( in other words, no one knows who they were and no one really cared, they were just immigrants, poor and workers'
the list of the dead for first cabin is almost 2 pages, the second cabin, almost 3 pages....steerage and crew omitted to the same reasons as above
no one was ever officially blamed despite Bruce Ismay being heard urging for speed, despite multiple warnings of ice. there was never a general 'all hands' warning - getting into the life rafts was spread via word of mouth.
1176 or slightly more could have been saved - that was the lifeboat capacity, only 706 were. the californian was only 19 miles away but never answered the titanic's calls. if they had hundreds more might have survived
amongst the stuff lost was 3500 bags of mail and the carpathia lost 10,000 dollars in lost time and having to reprovision after her errand of mercy
it is because of htis tragedy that ALL liners MUST not only have enough life boats to go around, but also MUST have mandatory life boat drills
May I be the one to set the record straight for all you non-believers -
Margaret Tobin Brown (aka the infamous Unsinkable Molly Brown) who was never called Molly in the first place:
From the Encyclopedia Titanica:
So in short - no, the part where Helen says being hauled aboard a liferaft by Molly Brown is pure and utter fiction. And thus I can take this as fiction just the way Jack and Tesla have been used as reference characters and twisted to be used for the purpose of the show, retaining their historical value but still fit within the storyline.After the ship struck the iceberg, Margaret helped load others into lifeboats and eventually was forced to board lifeboat six. She and the other women in lifeboat six worked together to row, keep spirits up, and dispel the gloom that was broadcast by the emotional and unstable Robert Hichens.
Sidenote: Did I mention that I'm a Titanic-geek?
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Re: Titanic--I don't care about the historical correctness of the Molly Brown rescue. This isn't a docudrama.
What I did like was that it clearly is still something painful for Helen to remember. TPTB didn't try to make it some big adventure.
Re: Helen not wanting Will to leave for Ashley's birthday but letting the others go. Knowing Magnus and the others, they probably thought they'd give her some space. And she wouldn't have been able to say "I want you around b/c I'm having a hard time."
Will, on the other hand, imho, she could order to stay and wouldn't have to admit why.Being in control emotionally is very important to her.
Re: 2 person episodes/stand alones--I like stand alone episodes in the mix. And I don't mind a couple of Magnus/Will eps (even though Will isn't my favorite character--though I tend to like him better with Helen). I liked that having them trapped meant we got some time to reveal a few things about Helen. Not a lot of time for that in most monster hunts.
But I agree with those who say it would be nice to have Helen & Henry have more time together. Though I don't know if Henry would challenge Magnus the way Will seems willing to.
just my 2 cents
If you look at the picture you can see a mermaids tail. A couple of possibilities arise.
1. Helen was on the Titanic to pick up a Mermaid (perhaps the one at the Sanctuary now) and as a result was not necessarily in first class but some other location on the ship. The ship sinks. The mermaid, being a very good and very fast swimmer, rescues Helen and swimming very quickly, catches up with Molly Brown's lifeboat and then Molly pulls Helen out of the water.
2. Or perhaps Helen was in 1st class but missed her chance at the lifeboats (probably too busy helping others) and ends up in the water. The mermaid who seems to have some sort of psychic or telepathic abilities in her communications with humans realizes that Helen should be saved and does so as described above.
It's the only way I can reconcile history with what Helen said in this ep and she does have a mermaid. So maybe?
I think that there's no way for there to have been corroboration of helen's story. The names of survivors is relatively well known (although, if you saw the movie Titanic, it really was that easy to become someone else, photo id's didn't even exist, and i don't think social security numbers did either, you were who you said you were)
I do kinda think that it is an example of the name dropping going a bit too far. Helen could have just said 'i was one of very few that came out of the water...alive' and leave molly out of it.
or have her say it, and will go 'wait a minute, i saw the movie and...' and she interrupts 'changing your identity was frightfully easy back then' and it's over
One thing that does tweak me a bit, the more i think about it, in Eulogy, helen is chafing because big guy is 'guarding' her,
would she REALLY want will around? or would she want to sulk on her own? I'd almost see her wanting to push him away and get him out of town rather than keeping him close.HELEN
Stop doting on me. It makes my teeth itch.
Mine too. Now, eat.
I know it works for the story, it just doesn't seem to work with how helen has been in the past