Chloe and Scott's relationship, out of nowhere?

[Coronach]

I reckon this may be our answer

Doubtful, given this post from JM's Blog:

DasNdanger writes: “Joe – a quick question about Chloe and Scott – did they know (or know of) each other before getting stranded on Destiny??”

Answer: Nope.

[Valtharus]

Doubtful, given this post from JM's Blog:

oh well that sucks, it woulda been a much more itneresting way to play it...oh well, random shallow sex with whispering sweet nothings it is!

[Alder]

Sorry to pick out your post Jper, but you summarised everything so well, it made it easier than quoting loads of them.

Well: 1. The exact line is: "... I want you to know that I have probably felt closer to you in these past few days than I have ever felt to anybody."

This is still the line that throws the scene off-balance for me. It tips the scene into (apparently) meaning more than it should at the time. Without it, the whole 'about to die, wanting closeness', would seem logical - whether or not the viewer approved, or disliked it. With the line, you're more likely to look back at what you've seen previously for evidence to back it up, find not much, and be unsatisfied.

5. In real life a lot of relationships happen without that sort of (or much) build-up, so in some way it is realistic and believable.
6. Preferences are indeed different for all people, but that shouldn't be a problem here. It happens that you don't understand it. That you would prefer it otherwise. However, I can still respect others for not being like me or doing it another way, so in the same way I'm giving Scott and Chloe this liberty. Even if this is a TV Show.

I like the phrase there, "it happens that you don't understand it." I think it highlights a weakness in the writing at this point, because it's the writers job to make us understand. Not like, necessarily, though obviously a writer might want/try to do that, but even the most horrible, dark, anti-hero should be understood to some extent, though you might hate him.
It makes me think of Inara in Firefly. I don't understand how anyone could choose to be a 'companion', no matter how much you were paid. (Heh. Now, she really was a whore, unlike poor Chloe who's been getting called that in other threads). However, the writing in Firefly helped you to understand and like her, even though there were still unanswered questions. The Scott/Chole thing just seems to lack any proper context.

7. However, for transition, I feel different. Just because this is a TV show I feel that here we should have seen more transition.

I'd agree with you there, and I suppose it's partly what I mean by context. It felt dropped in from some other episode that has the explanation...like a mix-up on the cutting-room floor...

Well, like I said, it will be very interesting to see how someone who doesn't belong there, and indeed is kind of useless, will still be there, and will eventually go through a journey, have some new experience and will evolve to become someone else. I like it, it's different from all the other characters who seem to have a predetermined path, while this is for Chloe still a mystery. It's realistic than not everyone on board of the Destiny actually fits in and is a scientist, from the military, or even a cook.

This is why I really wanted to like Chloe...and why, so far, I'm disappointed. I wanted to see an 'ordinary', untrained person finding a way to be useful and valuable. So far...well, disappointed is the word, I suppose. *sigh*

[Jper]

Sorry to pick out your post Jper, but you summarised everything so well, it made it easier than quoting loads of them.

Oh I absolutely have no problem with that.

This is still the line that throws the scene off-balance for me. It tips the scene into (apparently) meaning more than it should at the time. Without it, the whole 'about to die, wanting closeness', would seem logical - whether or not the viewer approved, or disliked it. With the line, you're more likely to look back at what you've seen previously for evidence to back it up, find not much, and be unsatisfied.

Well, I understand, but afterwards I started wondering if wanting closeness would have really come forward enough. At the first glance the line seems to indicate something more, but when I came to think of it, I got more and more the impression of how I saw Chloe in the first place. Part of that means that I see how she is confused, she's uncertain, and being alone is not her strong point, something which I saw with someone else. It made me look at the whole scene from another POV because it really closely related to something I experienced myself, as then it made me remember a girl I used to know. It felt just like it. So my impressions that I had changed over the following days after that the episode had aired.

I think that the feeling that the scene is off-balance is the right feeling, because the situations is off-balance. Doesn't mean it isn't realistic or unbelievable. It might make you dislike it, but the deeper question is although that you dislike it, wouldn't this possibly happen in real life? It would. So it gives us something to discuss and talk about. Although many may dislike it, it is not as if it is bad writing or unrealistic portrayal. I feel many people have lost the distinction between this. Chloe and Scott might trick themselves into thinking they love each other, but a lot has to follow, will still happen. If TPTB get that right, then imho they deserve a "gold star" just like Young gives Eli. However, I'm not getting my hopes up. I'm afraid that it might not happen.

I like the phrase there, "it happens that you don't understand it." I think it highlights a weakness in the writing at this point, because it's the writers job to make us understand. Not like, necessarily, though obviously a writer might want/try to do that, but even the most horrible, dark, anti-hero should be understood to some extent, though you might hate him.

No I don't think it's their sole job to make us understand. It's their job to write something that could be real, that is realistic and believable. It's just like in real life. It happens a lot that I don't understand people or their motives. It gives me something to think about. Looking for a way to understand it. While there are of course things we do understand. If you would be able to understand everything, then all the characters would be the same and there would never be any real, actual, 3D characters. We don't understand Rush either, for example, as there's still a lot unknown for one. There's still a lot of time for the writers to make us understand Rush, Chloe and Scott to some extent, it's just the process of identifying that jumps on you when you have something that relates to you and you completely understand, but otherwise needs some time, to recognize things you understand, which in all honesty may never happen, as it happens in real life too. As long as it relates to real life and thus is believable, I'll feel the writing is okay, as in it is not the fault of the writing you can not understand. The writing can still give you something to think/talk about. It can still give you reflection. It can still give you the ability to enjoy the show. To be intrigued. To ask questions. To wonder. There are open questions, there is mystery, there is room for own interpretation. Things I like.

This is why I really wanted to like Chloe...and why, so far, I'm disappointed. I wanted to see an 'ordinary', untrained person finding a way to be useful and valuable. So far...well, disappointed is the word, I suppose. *sigh*

I think it is way too soon for that. They've only been on the Destiny for a little while now. If she already would be a completely changed person, well that I would find bad and unbelievable writing and portrayal. A lot needs to happen yet to Chloe. Like I said, I want a journey, and first, like in any good journey, it goes down hill, for her then afterwards pick up the remains and keep the good things and together with the things she has picked and learned get to the second half of the journey.

[SupremeLegate]

There is something interesting that I recently thought of, and I am surprised that no one else has thought of it.

Do we really know what kind of relationship they have?

Spoiler:

Think about it they had sex in “Light” and were making out in “Water.”

Now granted I am basing this thought on just two episodes, and I will reevaluate it as I watch more episodes, but it seems to me that it is primarily physical.

Don’t get me wrong, there do appear to be feelings and emotion involved. But I ask, to what extent.

[Arga]

pssst, before moderator strikes...
please, can you put any mentions of what happens in "Water" and episodes that comes after "Light" into spoilers tags?

Because I think there can be some fans who haven't seen Water yet, and since this thread is in the "Light" sub-forum, it would make sense...

thank you, every one.

[Jper]

Spoilers... Spoilers... Spoilers... Spoilers for Water need spoiler tags.

There is something interesting that I recently thought of, and I am surprised that no one else has thought of it.

Do we really know what kind of relationship they have? Think about it they had sex in “Light”

Spoiler:

and were making out

in “Water.” Now granted I am basing this thought on just two episodes, and I will reevaluate it as I watch more episodes, but it seems to me that it is primarily physical.

Don’t get me wrong, there do appear to be feelings and emotion involved. But I ask, to what extent.

That's what a lot of people have been saying, me included, for a while now. For now, the relationship Chloe/Matt doesn't seem to go much further than the physical level. Which imho they should have to endure the consequences of that afterwards.

[SupremeLegate]

Done, though I don't think what I posted really counts as a spoiler. Could a mod clarify this for me please?

[Jper]

Done, though I don't think what I posted really counts as a spoiler. Could a mod clarify this for me please?

Well, I would say that

Spoiler:

you revealing the fact that Chloe and Matthew are kissing in Water

is in fact a spoiler. It is in fact something that someones who had seen all spoilers before the episode would not know, so if the person came in here, without having seen the episode, that part of the episode would pretty much have been spoiled for him/her. Don't you agree? So that's a spoiler, no?

Thanks for fixing it.

[Rachel500]

I don't think their relationship comes out of nowhere but I would say it is sudden.

In real life, young twenty-something year olds have been known to fall into bed after a few hours of knowing each other in a club/pub/bar, and within days of being intimate with someone else (ie Scott with James), so I don't find the speed of the relationship between Scott and Chloe unrealistic. Equally, given the intense situation, it is not surprising that some of the Destiny's crew may turn to each other for physical comfort so the scenario to me is fine. Yes, it's sudden but so's real life some times.

I do think there was some set-up during Air and definitely at the end of Air Pt III for the turn of events but unfortunately I also think that set-up was diluted/reduced in impact because of the decision to make what was originally one episode into two.

At the end of Air Pt III, we leave Destiny with Scott and Chloe holding hands, emotionally bonding with each other over parental death and grief. Perhaps they spend all night talking - maybe even kissing. So, imagine the next episode shows them, in the wake of being told of the lottery, becoming physically intimate. Would it have seemed as much of a jump? I don't believe it would have done.

I think the decision to create a two-parter is partly responsible for the interpretation/perception of some viewers that their getting together 'comes out of nowhere' - that and the fact that Darkness didn't have a Scott/Chloe scene which would have created a sense of continuity. Unfortunately I think the reason Darkness didn't have such a scene was to set up the Eli 'shock' reaction to Scott/Chloe sub-plot that was explored in Light. Would we have had so much of that if the original premise had remained as one episode? Maybe, not.

So, while I can understand why it may seem it 'comes out of nowhere', for me, the suddenness of it is fine. Whether it will last though...well, only time will tell. Maybe the money should still be on the Eli train.

[WindowsME]

I'm a bit confused of the multiple relationships people are stating Scott is involved with. I've noticed the relationship with Chloe Armstrong entailed in this episode, but aside from that which other relationship is there? If there are such additional relationships between himself and another, could someone state between who and which episode?


Along the matter with the question presented in the thread. I feel the writers hinted and detailed the two individuals, Lt.Scott and Chloe as they have similarities between each other. They both are experiencing tragic events, Lt. Scott having a rough, disastrous previous life which may have influenced him in joining the Air Force, while Chloe is distanced from her mother and susceptible to taking interest in those she actually has such sexual interests in. This can be accustomed in a more modern, real life experience where an individual female in a couple loses her love and draws upon someone close by. Yes, the writers may have created the intentions that she is closer to Eli, but similar to a book, a change of the page may completely change the path.

[Jper]

@WindowsME: Scott was having sex with James (Vanessa) in Air, pt.1. in a broom closet.

[SupremeLegate]

@WindowsME: Scott was having sex with James (Vanessa) in Air, pt.1. in a broom closet.

Though to be fair we don't know the nature of the relationship.

[Jper]

Though to be fair we don't know the nature of the relationship.

And I never said we did. I just said, told, what happened. That's all.

IMHO, it was indeed just that. Nothing more and the events of Water, the next episode do indeed indicate this imho. Seems like

Spoiler:

Scott is just a bit promiscuous and James knows this and is mad at him for this. Anyway, I'll all write it into my review for Water, which I need to continue to write now.

[Mrja84]

In the age group that these characters are in, this happens all the time. "17 episodes" to build a relationship? You mean a year? That would mean when a real life person goes off to college, they don't get into a sexual relationship until they are a sophmore. Yeah, right.

While I have no problem with the scene (except that it seemed to drag on, I got the idea let's move on), I do have to say that it is part of the norm for people to have sexual relationships. But I'm a senior in college and I haven't been sexually involved with anyone. While the norm is to "hook up", there are exceptions to that.

For Scott & Chloe, I think they could have pushed this two parter a little bit later not to develop the romance. But to show the characters moving together.

[natyanayaki]

It was clearly the we are going to die scenario but I could have done with a little more transtion and explanation of why they were having sex.

I didn't think it was written as 2 people who are afraid to die deciding to have one last triumph in the sack before doomsday. It was written as two lovers giving into each other because they would not have a chance to affirm their love later, which doesn't make sense, because I can't imagine that they've gotten to know each other enough to fall in love...

n the age group that these characters are in, this happens all the time. "17 episodes" to build a relationship? You mean a year? That would mean when a real life person goes off to college, they don't get into a sexual relationship until they are a sophmore. Yeah, right.

Right! But the scene, and the relationship at that point wasn't written as 2 twenty-somethings boinking because they're about to die, THAT's my issue with it...

Ya know, its not a bad idea. If Chloe had been the Icarus Base "pleasure girl" to begin with, and brought her Dominatrix outfit and assorted whips with her, she just "might" be a tad interesting. Scott on the other hand, is just a male ho with no redeaming qualities that I can see.

Alas, we get Chloe, "OMG, my daddy just DIED and (looks at Scott with tears), hold me, hold me, HOLD me cause I just might love you! Then we get, "OMG, its DARK in here! ELI! ELI! ELI! HELP ME, HELP ME!!! Hold my hand! Let me put my head on your shoulder!! You LOVE me now, right? GOOD, because now we are all gonna DIE so I'm gonna go to that other dude because he is CUTER than you and I'd rather have sex with HIM!!

Excuse me while I step out to throw up.

BEST DESCRIPTION I HAVE EVER HEARD! *applause*

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Originally Posted by POW View Post
Casual sex is great ! Also its not targeted for a younger audiance just a more general wider one hence the drama upgrade.

I do hope this is a joke.

There's nothing wrong with casual sex between consenting (and responsible) adults.

[Tanie]

Why is it that everyone seems to think that they do the horizontal mambo once and all of a sudden she's pregnant? It usually takes just a tad longer that one time for that to happen.

On a side note... I actually like the two of them together, but feel bad for poor Eli. He just seems to miss out every time. *sigh*

[greeneyesx3]

haha, i personally loved it