Megathread - Versus battles

[lordofseas]

Megathread!

[law7441]

well think you need to think about how much power the enterprise-d had it was in the telewatt range and z.pm normal output is around 700-800gitawatt, one phere blast is 4,7 megawatt, enterprise-E they are 7.2megawatt, so if you base on these arrey enterprise easierly, as speed to warp drive yes, the apollo can go faster. if you look around you found these out of websites. if anyone asks where I got my fact for.

but there also transwarp which can travel 35K lightyears within few mins so as faster speed availble in the star trek universe than in stargate.

size try looking at the city-ship for voyager epiosde it was so big it transport the whole voyager inside of it with hell of alot of room to spare, and voyagers is 334Meters long, so not that small.

[Helmar]

When they can't hack the Earth ships computers they are toast, they got no shields and very inferior weaponry. The only good thing they have is their jump drive. But the Asgard beam weapons shred them to pieces...

[aarlin81]

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Not sure by "city chip" you meant the Caretaker's Array (approx. diameter 4500 meters) but if you want to get into less common ships why not mention Star Trek's V'Ger (98km)? When compared to the other big friggin' ST ships the Caretaker Array isn't that big.

[kirmit]

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Not sure by "city chip" you meant the Caretaker's Array (approx. diameter 4500 meters) but if you want to get into less common ships why not mention Star Trek's V'Ger (98km)? When compared to the other big friggin' ST ships the Caretaker Array isn't that big.

I think they meant the Voth city ship from the ep 'Distant Origin'
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/me...rs_voyager.jpg
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/me...nterior%29.jpg

[jds1982]

Could the SG Earth hold out? Probably. Could the actual Earth hold out? No.

[Wib]

SG all the way. With our uber plasma beams of death that can take on just about anything in 2 seconds flat, cylons wouldn't stand a chance.

[revo1059]

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I think the E-E would have the upper hand. I think it has better maneuverability , but also the weapons system would seem to be better because:

1) The EE's phasers can rotate around the entire saucer as well as multiple firing points which would maker easier to lock on to an object and fire on it

2) Photon torpedoes. They can split into multiple points and hit many areas at once

3) Quantum torpedoes. Lots o' BOOM!

Watching EE fire everything it just seems to spit death out of everywhere.

But since this is science fiction and on top of that comparing things from two completely different storylines, in the end it's all just our opinions and an argument that can never be won or lost.

[aarlin81]

BSG weapons are real world and practical. Heavy arms but nuclear bombs and missiles. Also no shields.

However it's not very clear though. How many Baystars (old-1768m and new-2100m) against the 3 Earth ships (195m to 225m)? Cylon Raiders (8.94m), Heavy Raiders (20m), and F-302's (11m)? Any allies gonna show up or just Earth ships?

While the Daedalus can seriously damage a lesser equipt but larger Hive ship (2870m) Wraith Darts (10m) can often tip the scales. Remember the Ancients were almost wiped out; not by a superior force but by sheer numbers. Baystars can easily launch waves upon waves of Raiders and launch Heavy Raiders loaded down with Centurions ready to board a ship.

Also is the resurrection ship still active or is this after it's been destroyed? Cylons are more likely to sacrifice themselves if their deaths are not permanent.

[aarlin81]

Anyone have any tactical specifications on the Voth City Ship (9800 meters)?
http://neutralzone.de/database/Alien...CityShip03.jpg

[Nanjana]

I'm a girl so I'm for Voyeger!

[Helmar]

BSG weapons are real world and practical. Heavy arms but nuclear bombs and missiles. Also no shields.

However it's not very clear though. How many Baystars (old-1768m and new-2100m) against the 3 Earth ships (195m to 225m)? Cylon Raiders (8.94m), Heavy Raiders (20m), and F-302's (11m)? Any allies gonna show up or just Earth ships?

While the Daedalus can seriously damage a lesser equipt but larger Hive ship (2870m) Wraith Darts (10m) can often tip the scales. Remember the Ancients were almost wiped out; not by a superior force but by sheer numbers. Baystars can easily launch waves upon waves of Raiders and launch Heavy Raiders loaded down with Centurions ready to board a ship.

Also is the resurrection ship still active or is this after it's been destroyed? Cylons are more likely to sacrifice themselves if their deaths are not permanent.

They never resurrected ships, so it won't matter if the ship is around

BSGs ships are much to slow compared with the sublight engines of the 304s, so they wouldn't even need to care about the raiders an the normal rockets and guns of a basestar are also no danger at all, so just a fine fast flyby and full salval of beam hits, that's it.

[Ouroboros]

The amount of damage the Cylons would cause with nuclear strikes from orbit if they attacked would basically result in the end of human life as we know it on Earth, even if their larger space forces could eventually be driven off by 304s being called back to defend Earth.

Whether or not they'll be able to colonize it themselves afterward is a more open question but can SG Earth withstand an all out attack by Cylon forces, absolutely not. They won't piddle about behind the moon waiting for Earth to muster its defenses against them, they'll just jump into orbit and rain down nuclear missiles on all of our population centers, exterminating us to clear the way for their own colonization. What's left of our species will be bombed back to the stone age in a matter of minutes to hours.

If 3 304s show up a few hours after that and blow up some baseships still in orbit I'd hardly call that winning. Our civilization will be flat by then and they'll already have landed who knows how many of their own kind. The best the 304s could do at that point would be nuke their landed forces again out of spite.

Even if you give Earth some kind fo advanced warning and let the 3 ships set up to defend it they're still not going to be able to stop that many nukes arriving on launch platforms that just blink into existence then open fire. It's not even just the baseships you have to stop, FTL capable raiders can each carry something like half a dozen nukes as well.

[Helmar]

We would need someone at the beaming console with really good reactions, beaming their nukes directly back onto their ships, but that is unlikely

[aarlin81]

They never resurrected ships, so it won't matter if the ship is around

BSGs ships are much to slow compared with the sublight engines of the 304s, so they wouldn't even need to care about the raiders an the normal rockets and guns of a basestar are also no danger at all, so just a fine fast flyby and full salval of beam hits, that's it.

Boomer gave a very detailed description about Cylon resurrection and downloading. It was something they referenced when they were discussing the Raider they had nicknamed Scar.

Sublight engines are used for distance travel. A scout ship could easily nab the coordinates for a Faster Than Light (FTL) jump right on top of Earth.

I'm more inclined to think the battle would be more like the Ancients vs the Wraith. The Basestars would scout the area then jump in. Launching all the nuclear ordinance to weaken the shields. The Raiders would be the deciding factor. With sheer numbers the Raiders would wipe out the 302s and then concentrate their efforts on the 304s.

If the numbers of Basestars (loaded with Raiders) was equal to or greater than 304s I'd say Cylons for the win. They might be crippled but they'd still be the victor.

Not sure on it's flight capabilities but Heaven help them if the Cylon Colony (30km) were to get involved.

[Phantom6]

I was curious about how warp drive would match up against hyper-space travel... which is faster?

Earth to Atlantis in 18 days. That's MILLIONS of lightyears in just under three weeks.


Delta Quadrant to Alpha Quadrant in 70+ YEARS, that's, according to Trek canon 1,000 light years a year.



Hyperdrive wins the race hands down.

[aarlin81]

Just posted a couple of responses to some other versus threads:

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=68541

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=68555

Anyway it got me to think about some other mash ups. However, instead of the usual toe to toe I thought it would be interesting to pit the Stargate universe (not Stargate Universe) against the ships and crew of other, uh...universes. Oh, but that's not all I did. I started thinking about other sci-fi universes in which Stargate ship (Earth, its allies and even the baddies) would be completely obliterated. Yep a no holds barred, pull no punches, all participants welcome, Battle Royale. I've included the sizes so you can imagine the scale of some of these ships.

STAR WARS
Ok, this should be fun. I don't doubt that the ships from the SG universe would do well here; at least at the start. 302s (11m) would have no problem with the Tie Fighters/Interceptors (6.3m/9.6m). Let's face it, those pilots are midly retarded and nothing if not predictable. A,B,Y and X-wing fighter as well as the Millennium Falcon would be no problem. They could probably stand up against many of the larger Rebel Alliance ships like the Mon Calamari Cruiser (2200-2300m). It's all over when the Galactic Empire's massive Armada shows up. Dozen upon dozens of large vessels ranging in size from 650m to over 1600m and escorting the the big daddy Executor class Star Destroyer (19km).

FARSCAPE ships
I'm sure it would be fun to the Prowlers (3.9m) go up against the 302s (11m) or a bunch or Wraith darts (10m) but it's the big boys that we'd love to see. Ships like Talyn (500m) are double the size of the 304s (avg 225m) but still smaller than the Ori Ascendancy Mothership (1100m), Wraith hive ship (2870m) and Aurora class ships (3500m). They could probably hold their own until the larger ships such as Peacekeeper Command Carrier (21km) and Scarran Hierarchy Dreadnought (25km) showed up. Oh the horror!!!

BABYLON 5
Similar to Farscape many of the various fighter, such as the Earth Alliance Starfury (9.56m) and Centauri Republic Sentri (15.4m) would match well with the 304s (11m). Again, like with Farscape, they get quite a bit bigger. Holding their own against ships like the Minbari Federation Sharlin class (1660m) but I'd bet they'd turn tail and run at the sight of a Vorlon Empire Planet Killer (45km) or Drakh Hordes Mothership (59.69km).

ID4 ALIENS
This fight would be over before it even started. No information is available on the mothership but several dozen equally impressive "destroyers" can break off each 24km wide. That's 15 miles each and the mothership is always depicted as much larger. Each ship is equipped with advanced shielding. The "destroyers" have a massive primary weapon which can easily destroy stationary targets but is also equipped with an unknown number of ports used to fire green energy bursts (used to destroy the "Welcome Wagon" helicopter). Each of the ships is also loaded down with hundreds if not thousands of fighters/attackers (???m) complete with their own shields.

Now you could argue that Carter would have detected the signal and whipped up a computer virus ala Jeff Goldblum. However, the ship would have been detected as soon as it entered the solar system and they would have set out to confront it long before they had a chance to deploy the destroyer/satellite ships in orbit around the Earth. Therefore, NO SIGNAL.

[aarlin81]

Stargate did fairly well on staying consistent about time and speed. Some ships did have more advanced hyper drives which could make the same journey in no time flat but that was always explained.

The same can't be said about Star Trek. There's actually a series of really funny videos on YouTube entitled "Star Trek Mistakes". Just search for "Star Trek Mistakes 1/5" and then 2/5 and so on. User GeneralGrin seems to have all the videos. The links to the next and the next appear below the video window. So if you're watching 1/5 it should read "This is a video response to Star Trek Mistakes Part 2/5" and so on.

[Coronach]

Dang, and here I thought we might have another SGU vs SGA on our hands

[Lord Pink]

In a battle between the wraith and the Ori who do you think would win?

The Ori have superior ships and technology but the Wraith have strength in numbers, and their life sucking ability. Personally I think that the Wraith may have a slight chance of winning, but becase of the Milky Way Galaxy's fight with the Ori, I think that the Ori have a better change of coming out on top.

What you you all think

I think the Ori would win because of their impressive primary beam weapons. They would tear though the shield less wraith ships like a hot knife through butter. (I know, that saying has been done to death.)