4 Ori motherships vs. Death Star

[Gormagon]

The Death Stars main laser cannon has horrible accuracy and a slow rate of fire.(The standard trade offs for a heavy weapon as seen in approx 87% of realities.) Well there is a chance of the laser beam hitting a maneuvering Ori warship I find it unlikely.

And, even if it did hit, would the laser beam technology actually have any effect on an Ascended being designed defense shield?

Perhaps through the sheer energy released it would, making it a remarkably crude and inefficient device compared to the APBW's as an anti-ship weapon. But, well the power source of an Ori warship is never officially identified (As far as I currently know.)it may be a device similar to the ZPM....meaning its energy output could be so great the DS super laser would not 1 hit K0 it, making it even less effective as you need to hit multiple times with the agonizingly slow firing weapon. Something to consider.

Most people forget about the Death Stars other weapon systems. It had thousands of turbo laser and ion batteries as well as...what 700 something tractor beam emitters I think.(Why can I remember this stuff but forget to check the mail?*Cough*nerd*cough*) Now, would these weapons have any effect at all on the advanced shields of the Ori? Something else to consider.

As far as its defenses go, I am pretty sure no shield in the Star Wars universe could stop an Ori main cannon, so throw those out the window. But, I do believe the Death stars had kilometers of armor. Would the piercing Ori main cannon be able to go through all that dura steel? Something else to consider.


Well, any thoughts?

[McAvoy]

Look. The Superlaser is powerful enough to destroy a planet and even shielded ships as seen in Return of the Jedi. The Asgard weapon isn't a planet cracking weapon. Thinking the Ori cannot be destroyed in one shot is just... dumb. Even if the APBW is unique in reacting with shields, the Superlaser is just raw power.

Not to mention the Ori's main weapon had a hard time getting past a ZPM powered 304 which for intents and purposes isn't exactly designed for the use of a ZPM to use it efficiently.

Yes, the Ori shrugged off many weapons that were perhaps in low megatons with ease and even took a direct impact from a hatak ramming it. However, the ramming was low speed impact and seemed to be off at angle.

Lastly, the Death Star is just plain huge with heavy armor. Even if the Ori had very powerful weapons, it would take a long time to fully destroy the Death Star. Let's remember the Death Star was designed not only to destroy planets but take on fleets.

IMO, 4 Ori ships are not enough even if they enjoyed a firepower advantage.

[Gormagon]

If you reread my post...well actually I guess I did not type clearly enough but I meant to push it in the direction of the Death Star winning against 4 Ori warships.(Providing the main laser actually can hit, I am unsure of the effectiveness of its secondary weapons, even with how many there were.)


Now, the whole Ori fleet would win based on my estimates of how many ships they could have easily had. Also if their warships proved ineffective I do believe the Ori Priors would delve into their magic bag of tricks anyways. Also the Ori had super fighters with very powerful shields.(For a fighter) Guess what took out the first two Death stars? Fighters. And Ori crusader pilots would not even bat an eye at ramming the Death Stars powercore if their advanced weapons could not pierce ray shields which I seriously doubt.

[garhkal]

And for those saying the main gun of the death star could not hit an Ori ship.. rewatch return of the Jedi and see how quickly that beam shot out!

[Gormagon]

The speed of light is not the issue, the aim is. Its one beam with no uber SRCADC(Self redirection cool aiming destruction capability, a seeking beam weapon.)meaning the beam will just keep traveling in a "straight" line so to speak.(space is curved.) Due to the slow firing rate I do not see its main weapon as being very effective on maneuvering Ori warships and useless against the thousands of fighters an Ori fleet would deploy to attack the Death Star. Also, if the Ori utilize some sort of advanced innertialess drive system as I suspect perhaps the tractor beams of the SW universe would be ineffective against Ori warships and fighters.

[unknown_k]

The Ori ships are pretty small compared to a death star so they cannot have the same firepower or shield strength because of reactor size. All you have to do is have the death star turn on shields, hit the enemy with a tractor beam to lock in their movement and then just ram them into space roadkill without having to power up a single weapon (use light speed if you are late for lunch and need to speed things along).

A "real world" situation would be for the Empire to find out about the super gate (how else would the Ori show up anyway) and blow it up leaving the Ori to wander around the galaxy untill they run out of fuel and die. No friendly bases, no way home or for reinforcements to show up, game over. Would the Empire even notice 3 Ori ships showing up anyway?

Besides the SG universe is set in present day while Star Wars was ... A long time ago in a galaxy far far away. If an Ori ship would happen upon the Star Wars Galaxy in present time any Death Star would be a much newer and more powerful design (same with the rest of the fleet).

[Gormagon]

The Ori ships are pretty small compared to a death star so they cannot have the same firepower or shield strength because of reactor size. All you have to do is have the death star turn on shields, hit the enemy with a tractor beam to lock in their movement and then just ram them into space roadkill without having to power up a single weapon (use light speed if you are late for lunch and need to speed things along).

With a zero point energy source size does not matter by the way, and having read dozens of Star wars "stuff" and watching the movies many times I doubt very very much that Star Wars universe shields could even slow down Ori weapons, and I would bet cash Ori shields would disrupt the energy field of the Death Stars shields allowing them to pass through, much like the effect of a Drone weapon. Also the Death stars most powerful shield was generated from the moon of Endor, not from itself. It relies more on its armor for defense.

A "real world" situation would be for the Empire to find out about the super gate (how else would the Ori show up anyway) and blow it up leaving the Ori to wander around the galaxy untill they run out of fuel and die. No friendly bases, no way home or for reinforcements to show up, game over. Would the Empire even notice 3 Ori ships showing up anyway?

The Ori would need far more then a fleet of four ships to both conquer and hold the Star Wars galaxy through direct military conflict but their are many other avenues of conquest, especially when one does not have to care about time, being ascended. Also I do not see Ori warships running out of power before they could get back home, the issue I see arising is supply for troops. But that is assuming the empire could figure out how to destroy the Supergate in the first place. The Super Gate was immune to Goa'uld weapons, it obviously had a very powerful defensive technology.

But, being a fair player I must point out that in order to establish a Supergate in the SW galaxy they would first need to reach it by conventional hyperspace travel with those drone ship Supergate builders we see in the TV show. The SW galaxy has no Stargates. Who knows how long that would take. If the Ori thought tactically they would dispatch several dozen fleets at least of those Supergate builders at once along with ships equipped with stasis technology for several hundred or more Priors, to start preaching Origin to the peoples of the SW galaxy and sow the seeds of conquest with their magic bag'o tricks.

Besides the SG universe is set in present day while Star Wars was ... A long time ago in a galaxy far far away. If an Ori ship would happen upon the Star Wars Galaxy in present time any Death Star would be a much newer and more powerful design (same with the rest of the fleet).

Not necessarily true, having played KOTOR and being read up on SW history I have observed Star Wars technology remaining virtually unchanged over many thousands of years.

[unknown_k]

Star wars is older (1970's) so their tech is more "realistic" in my opinion. Besides faster then light speed the rest of their tech is pretty much believable compared to technology we know today.

The whole ZPM thing never made sense to me, other then being convenient for the show.

[lordofseas]

Star wars is older (1970's) so their tech is more "realistic" in my opinion. Besides faster then light speed the rest of their tech is pretty much believable compared to technology we know today.

The whole ZPM thing never made sense to me, other then being convenient for the show.

Because nothing is more realistic than a spherical spaceship 1,600,000 metres in diameter with a specially designed planet destroying laser.

[unknown_k]

Because nothing is more realistic than a spherical spaceship 1,600,000 metres in diameter with a specially designed planet destroying laser.

Makes more sense needing something that big to house a reactor big enough to power a planet destroying laser compared to a light speed flying city that runs on just 1 to 3 D cell batteries.

[lordofseas]

Makes more sense needing something that big to house a reactor big enough to power a planet destroying laser compared to a light speed flying city that runs on just 1 to 3 D cell batteries.

Lightspeed flying city vs Lightspeed flying moon. One's a city, one's a moon. In terms of realism, neither come close.

[rushy]

Look. The Superlaser is powerful enough to destroy a planet and even shielded ships as seen in Return of the Jedi. The Asgard weapon isn't a planet cracking weapon. Thinking the Ori cannot be destroyed in one shot is just... dumb. Even if the APBW is unique in reacting with shields, the Superlaser is just raw power.

Not to mention the Ori's main weapon had a hard time getting past a ZPM powered 304 which for intents and purposes isn't exactly designed for the use of a ZPM to use it efficiently.

Yes, the Ori shrugged off many weapons that were perhaps in low megatons with ease and even took a direct impact from a hatak ramming it. However, the ramming was low speed impact and seemed to be off at angle.

Lastly, the Death Star is just plain huge with heavy armor. Even if the Ori had very powerful weapons, it would take a long time to fully destroy the Death Star. Let's remember the Death Star was designed not only to destroy planets but take on fleets.

IMO, 4 Ori ships are not enough even if they enjoyed a firepower advantage.

Not to mention the fact that the Death Star even has shields.

[Infinite-Possibilities]

Not that I think it wouldn't win but It didn't seem to have shields in the movies.

[rushy]

Not that I think it wouldn't win but It didn't seem to have shields in the movies.

Much of the plot of Episode VI revolves around deactivating the Death Star's shield.

[Col.Jack O'neill]

death star because it has shields and more powerful weapons that ori mothership

[thekillman]

structurally the Deathstar might be possible, but the superweapon is just insane.

[Infinite-Possibilities]

Much of the plot of Episode VI revolves around deactivating the Death Star's shield.

That came from Endor, it wasn't something the Death Star had by itself. And presumably once the Death Star had been completed it would no longer had a shield because it would have had to move and it doesn't generate the field itself.

[garhkal]

But, being a fair player I must point out that in order to establish a Supergate in the SW galaxy they would first need to reach it by conventional hyperspace travel with those drone ship Supergate builders we see in the TV show. The SW galaxy has no Stargates. Who knows how long that would take. If the Ori thought tactically they would dispatch several dozen fleets at least of those Supergate builders at once along with ships equipped with stasis technology for several hundred or more Priors, to start preaching Origin to the peoples of the SW galaxy and sow the seeds of conquest with their magic bag'o tricks.

Not necessarily true, having played KOTOR and being read up on SW history I have observed Star Wars technology remaining virtually unchanged over many thousands of years.

In Some of the SW lore, there is a race called the Gree which had built their own hypergates.. so maybe the Ori could link to them to get priors in, to do what they did in beachhead...

[Gormagon]

I had forgotten about the Gree, and the Celestial's. That is possible, if any of the Gree constructs remain, which is likely considering that artifacts like Centerpoint still remained in the galaxy during the time of the new Republic. The Ori, being ascended beings and having access to highly advanced knowledge would very likely be able to figure out how to build an "adapter" to link a super gate to the Gree gate. Then all they need to do is send through several dozen fleets of super gate builders to establish Supergates throughout the SW galaxy.

Given that through some sort of magic a single Ori planet could possess the industrial capacity to build at least 6 Warships(I forget if there were building sites besides the one Vala saw.)I foresee the Ori fully capable of possessing hundreds of warships, within a decade or so perhaps thousands. That is of course according to Stargate cannon based calculations.

Each of those warships would be more then a match for any Star destroyer or cruiser I have read about, with the larger "super" ones being able to last longer. But I am not even sure standard SW ship to ship weapons could even damage Ori shields, and Ori fighters would make mincemeat out of TIE fighters or X-wings.

[garhkal]

True. though i wonder with the mass of weight of numbers in the SW favor, would they overwhelm the ori ships..