Evolution God and Irony

[amforster]

Anyone think that Stargate presents a pretty ironic world view..

On the one hand the show is pretty scathing about organised religion. Nearly all examples of it are derided in the show. They also indicate that if you don't ascend you just stop existing (i.e. there is no heaven for all those that don't ascend) ... everything can be explained away with science.

On the other hand we have the idea that humans arrived on Earth millions of years ago and then RESEEDED the earth with life after a "plague" killed it all.

So what about the fossil record that shows life existed way before their arrival and the genetic markers we have in common with species that are phenotypically identical to those living species? Are we to ignore this? Did the ancients place all these fossils everywhere to confuse future inhabitants? Whatever explanation you follow.. given the events of Stargate so far the suggestion is that at the very least all living things on earth DIDn't evolve from life that might of existed 60 million years ago.

But this is essentially creationism? Which most fanatical christians subsribe to without the intellect neccesary to understand how the evidence we have in the real world show unequiocally that life evolved from the simplest strands of self replicating DNA into the currnet level of complexity we see.

[Jedi_Master_Bra'tac]

You know it baffles me when people have a creationism vs evolution argument. In my opinion they can co-exist. For example, I think evolution happened, but something must have created the very first life forms.

[amforster]

I agree. You can have something that set the process in motion. I just hate the notion that a god or superbeing could have created life 5000 years ago and then created loads of fossils to keep us guessing (as Bill Hicks said - some "pranksta god smoking pot laughing as he buries an angel fossil"...

[Aaronjw]

I'd like to start arguing for creationism here, but that would doubtlessly lead to the thread being closed.

So, instead, I'm going to say: IT'S A SCI-FI TV SHOW!

[FN-P90]

I agree. You can have something that set the process in motion. I just hate the notion that a god or superbeing could have created life 5000 years ago and then created loads of fossils to keep us guessing (as Bill Hicks said - some "pranksta god smoking pot laughing as he buries an angel fossil"...

I subscribe to the theory of he made the big bang happen and maybe seeded life here or gave it the chance and once it started he left it alone for awhile until Humans came along around 2 million years ago, then when we started to become organized in civilization he began to interact with use alittle more closely and after awhile stopped around id say 32 AD and left use to be on our own and solve our own problems. So in review I beleive in God and Evolution.

[Splitsecond]

There is no need for God in the theory of evolution and there is no need for evolution in creationism. So the question is which one seems like the better theory.
A bunch of amino acids combining into a self replicating protein blueprint, which changes over time and eventually changes enough in order to make you or an inexplicable entity which created everything. The two are not mutually exclusive at the moment but will become so if scientists ever find a suitable theory/candidate for the creation of the first life-form.

[toby1kanobi]

Anyone think that Stargate presents a pretty ironic world view..

On the one hand the show is pretty scathing about organised religion. Nearly all examples of it are derided in the show. They also indicate that if you don't ascend you just stop existing (i.e. there is no heaven for all those that don't ascend) ... everything can be explained away with science.

On the other hand we have the idea that humans arrived on Earth millions of years ago and then RESEEDED the earth with life after a "plague" killed it all.

So what about the fossil record that shows life existed way before their arrival and the genetic markers we have in common with species that are phenotypically identical to those living species? Are we to ignore this? Did the ancients place all these fossils everywhere to confuse future inhabitants? Whatever explanation you follow.. given the events of Stargate so far the suggestion is that at the very least all living things on earth DIDn't evolve from life that might of existed 60 million years ago.

But this is essentially creationism? Which most fanatical christians subsribe to without the intellect neccesary to understand how the evidence we have in the real world show unequiocally that life evolved from the simplest strands of self replicating DNA into the currnet level of complexity we see.

i really dislike this kind of disscussion, it can upset too many people. i support the scientific view and only that but anybody is fully entitled to what they wanna think or believe. who knows one day religious people may be able to pass scientific typer proof and say "told you so" or it could be the other way round, who knows what we may find out tomorrow

[toby1kanobi]

I subscribe to the theory of he made the big bang happen and maybe seeded life here or gave it the chance and once it started he left it alone for awhile until Humans came along around 2 million years ago, then when we started to become organized in civilization he began to interact with use alittle more closely and after awhile stopped around id say 32 AD and left use to be on our own and solve our own problems. So in review I beleive in God and Evolution.

HE didnt... the ancients did lol, im sorry i just couldnt resist dude

[Splitsecond]

The evolution vs God debate seems to matter to a lot of people and I just don't understand why it does. Does anyone have a reason for why this debate is so important?

[Alan Wake]

The evolution vs God debate seems to matter to a lot of people and I just don't understand why it does. Does anyone have a reason for why this debate is so important?

Because people like to believe there is a meaning for life in general, and when that belief doesn't agree with others, it sparks a debate/conflict.

This debate will never end. You might as well get used to it now. People can't accept other people's ideas. or agree to disagree with them. Everyone wants what they believe to be right.

[toby1kanobi]

The evolution vs God debate seems to matter to a lot of people and I just don't understand why it does. Does anyone have a reason for why this debate is so important?

to be honest im not shure, it just seems to be one of those subjects that throw up controversy. as its one of the key points on christianity i can se how some would get offended by people trying to debunk it, it would seem like an attack on there faith

[Butlersgate]

So, instead, I'm going to say: IT'S A SCI-FI TV SHOW!

basically

it isn't secretly trying to convert people towards a certain religion.

[Djangosoul]

I subscribe to the theory of he made the big bang happen and maybe seeded life here or gave it the chance and once it started he left it alone for awhile until Humans came along around 2 million years ago, then when we started to become organized in civilization he began to interact with use alittle more closely and after awhile stopped around id say 32 AD and left use to be on our own and solve our own problems. So in review I beleive in God and Evolution.

Well, I agree with you...more or less... I think that exist something big watching over us...."He" made everything from the beginning, leading from the Big Bang to the beginning of what-we-call-society and is watching us to see what's gonna happen....
Sometimes "He" may interfir, but I think that we have the free will in the most part of the time....

[toby1kanobi]

Well, I agree with you...more or less... I think that exist something big watching over us...."He" made everything from the beginning, leading from the Big Bang to the beginning of what-we-call-society and is watching us to see what's gonna happen....
Sometimes "He" may interfir, but I think that we have the free will in the most part of the time....

welcome to the forum Djangosoul, were glad to have your input

[crowmagnumman]

I'm agnostic, ex-Christian. And I completely understand why someone would want to believe in a God, and Creationism regardless of what science tells us. Let's face it. The evolutionary theory paints a pretty grim portrait of human existence.

Being agnostic, I don't think you can prove it either way. But I get angry when I see people who want to believe in a God and that they were created for a purpose are insulted or looked down upon. I mean take a look at current trends. Cynicism is cool now. That's why Stargate is going dark.

I've been trying to prove to myself that God doesn't exist or that man came about through evolution, but it's just impossible. I've jumped back and forth between both sides over the years, and I see holes in both arguments.

This is America. And as much as I hate it sometimes, it's every human being's right to believe whatever the hell they want to believe, just so long as they don't infringe on another person's Constitutional rights. I'm so tired of this debate. It just promotes hate. We have people like Richard Dawkins spouting fire and brimstone at anyone foolish enough to believe in a God. And we have Kent Hovind insulting evolutionists for their supposed ignorance. I'm just so tired of all this hate. I respect people on both sides.

So let's just end it before it gets started here. Let people believe whatever they need to believe to get them through the day.

On a related note, I don't agree that Evolution and Creationism can co-exist. At least not in the conventional sense. I'd have no respect for a God that used millions of years of death and destruction to create life. So it's one or the other for me. I'm still putting off deciding.

[Falcon Horus]

IT'S A SCI-FI TV SHOW!

Which explores all these what-ifs and funky little things, hopng the viewer will consider to use a braincell or two afterwards. Maybe spark up some discussion...

That's what Scifi is for, explore!

it isn't secretly trying to convert people towards a certain religion.

Have you seen the amount of Wraith worshippers, and Goa'uld lovers. I wouldn't be too sure of that.

..."He" made everything from the beginning, leading from the Big Bang to the beginning of what-we-call-society and is watching us to see what's gonna happen....
Sometimes "He" may interfir, but I think that we have the free will in the most part of the time....

She as in Mother Earth.

[toby1kanobi]

Which explores all these what-ifs and funky little things, hopng the viewer will consider to use a braincell or two afterwards. Maybe spark up some discussion...

That's what Scifi is for, explore!



Have you seen the amount of Wraith worshippers, and Goa'uld lovers. I wouldn't be too sure of that.



She as in Mother Earth.

no she as in alanis morissett, have you not seen dogma lol

[Falcon Horus]

no she as in alanis morissett, have you not seen dogma lol

Unfortunately no, not yet.

[toby1kanobi]

Unfortunately no, not yet.

highly recomended.

i think youve got the gighest number of posts ive seen, thats impresive

[Djangosoul]

Horus, i've just put "He" cause in portuguese, when we talk about God, we say it in the male form...I don't know how it works in english...And, I don't believe in the idea of Mother Earth, cause "She" couldn't be existing from the very beginning...