A movie which brings together the full cast of either SG-1, Atlantis or both with a full out space battle showing ALL of Earth's Vessel and them some.. (Lantians.. whatever) Whether it follows any current or previous storyline i don't care. Create a new storyline for all i care. I get a kick out of seeing our Earth Ships and Ancient ships in battle.
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I actually agree with you 100%, but you are going to be ripped a new one. A lot of fans on this message board like stargate purely because of the gate. They would be happy if an episode consisted of them dialing the gate, going through, dialing again, going through, dialing the gate, going through... The characters, politics and other storyline issues are secondary reasons to watch.
But I think you are spot on, the battle over the antarctic and at the supergate are two of the best moments in stargate - they managed to have visually stunning shots, fast paced action and told an actual story (or several stories in the case of the supergate battle). That is what made stargate so great, showing real people in extreme situations. While the gate is what allowed them to do that, it is a plot device, not a plot in its own right.
I am not belittling the gate, without it there would be no show, but if it was the only plot device open to the writers, then the show would become one dimensional, spaceflight and the space battles add a bit of variety. If they hadn't introduced Prometheus in season 6, there wouldn't have been a season 9.I don't mean to sound like a nerdy fan who talks about science-fiction like it is real, but the problem with 'clever' storylines is that they make the audience start to think, and if you put in bad science, they are more likely to notice it. It breaks the suspension of disbelief
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Originally posted by Bareassedmunky View PostI actually agree with you 100%, but you are going to be ripped a new one. A lot of fans on this message board like stargate purely because of the gate. They would be happy if an episode consisted of them dialing the gate, going through, dialing again, going through, dialing the gate, going through... The characters, politics and other storyline issues are secondary reasons to watch.
But I think you are spot on, the battle over the antarctic and at the supergate are two of the best moments in stargate - they managed to have visually stunning shots, fast paced action and told an actual story (or several stories in the case of the supergate battle). That is what made stargate so great, showing real people in extreme situations. While the gate is what allowed them to do that, it is a plot device, not a plot in its own right.
I am not belittling the gate, without it there would be no show, but if it was the only plot device open to the writers, then the show would become one dimensional, spaceflight and the space battles add a bit of variety. If they hadn't introduced Prometheus in season 6, there wouldn't have been a season 9.
It seems now anymore that while having control over the gate matters, its more of who has the most ships and the most advanced weapons, it has taken us out of fighting our own kind of fight to fighting them at their level which has it advantages but at the same time takes away for the show.
What I want to see more of, like most people is battles like Heros, where controling the gate means everything.
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Originally posted by Lord batchi ball View PostYes but on your same logic I can say that the show is becomeing one dimentional to the space craft.
What I want to see more of, like most people is battles like Heros, where controling the gate means everything.
Also it has always been the case that those with the most ships is the powerful - thats why the writers brought in the Protected planets treaty, and then the chair. Without them, the goa'uld would have come and wiped us out from space, using ships. That was the point of the series in the first few years - if the goa'uld didn't have ships, the only threat would be through the gate so we would have sealed the gate. Without ships, stargate would not exist as a TV show. Since hyperdrive technology needs to exist in stargate, it would be ridiculous if earth never managed to understand how it utilise it.
But I also agree that more 'Heros' style battles would be great - I love the gate, I love space battles, I love ground battles - the more different types of storylines available, the betterI don't mean to sound like a nerdy fan who talks about science-fiction like it is real, but the problem with 'clever' storylines is that they make the audience start to think, and if you put in bad science, they are more likely to notice it. It breaks the suspension of disbelief
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Originally posted by Bareassedmunky View PostI actually agree with you 100%, but you are going to be ripped a new one. A lot of fans on this message board like stargate purely because of the gate. They would be happy if an episode consisted of them dialing the gate, going through, dialing again, going through, dialing the gate, going through... The characters, politics and other storyline issues are secondary reasons to watch.
But I think you are spot on, the battle over the antarctic and at the supergate are two of the best moments in stargate - they managed to have visually stunning shots, fast paced action and told an actual story (or several stories in the case of the supergate battle). That is what made stargate so great, showing real people in extreme situations. While the gate is what allowed them to do that, it is a plot device, not a plot in its own right.
I am not belittling the gate, without it there would be no show, but if it was the only plot device open to the writers, then the show would become one dimensional, spaceflight and the space battles add a bit of variety. If they hadn't introduced Prometheus in season 6, there wouldn't have been a season 9.
Get a grip an jus accept that stargate has to grow in order to get a wider audiance.
If u want there to be more stargate, there has to be space battles in order to draw in the old star trek audiance.
Deal with it an stop moanin.
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Originally posted by JamesRobbo9886 View Postthank god. im not the only stargate fan out there who believe in brigding genre. The gate has been there since day one, lets expand on it abit. jus coz theres ships involved doesnt mean its star trek. Who ever says that is an idiot who clearly has never watched any other sci-fi shows in there lives.
Get a grip an jus accept that stargate has to grow in order to get a wider audiance.
If u want there to be more stargate, there has to be space battles in order to draw in the old star trek audiance.
Deal with it an stop moanin.I don't mean to sound like a nerdy fan who talks about science-fiction like it is real, but the problem with 'clever' storylines is that they make the audience start to think, and if you put in bad science, they are more likely to notice it. It breaks the suspension of disbelief
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Originally posted by ferrari20092 View PostSpace battles kind of take away the point of STARGATE.. I mean it's about gate travel not ship travel. If you want ships then watch star trek.. I love the space battles but it's just not the series..
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Originally posted by andy tyler View PostYeah same with a Star Trek series that takes place on a stationary space station
People complain about ships in stargate, but I really believe that had they not introduced them, they would be complaining about repetitive storylines - more so then they already do.I don't mean to sound like a nerdy fan who talks about science-fiction like it is real, but the problem with 'clever' storylines is that they make the audience start to think, and if you put in bad science, they are more likely to notice it. It breaks the suspension of disbelief
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But I think you are spot on, the battle over the antarctic and at the supergate are two of the best moments in stargate - they managed to have visually stunning shots, fast paced action and told an actual story (or several stories in the case of the supergate battle). That is what made stargate so great, showing real people in extreme situations.
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Originally posted by Bareassedmunky View PostWoah - Thats not the point I was making. I don't think stargate needs to change to attract new fans. I think it needs to evolve to avoid telling the same story 214 times. I am all for bridging genres, but it should be done for the right reasons - good storytelling, rather than the wrong reasons - attracting new fans (aka selling out)
It jus really anoys me wen people say, oooo stargate has ships, there for its rippin off star trek. It jus shows the narrow mindedness off people, the ships are there to advance upon the story, not to replace the main point of the show.
I didnt mean stargate has to change to bring in more fans, but it does have to adapt if it hopes to attract a more main stream audiance.
Sorry again
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Originally posted by amconway View PostI agree with you about these two battles, but not about most of them, particularly in later seasons of Atlantis. Both of these battles were integral--plot and character development continued throughout. They were riveting and their implications were huge. Unfortunately, space battles became a substitute for plot and character development rather than an enhancement.
But that is a reason to get rid of the atlantis writers, not get rid of space battles.I don't mean to sound like a nerdy fan who talks about science-fiction like it is real, but the problem with 'clever' storylines is that they make the audience start to think, and if you put in bad science, they are more likely to notice it. It breaks the suspension of disbelief
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