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[imperio]

so what do u think should be changed in Stargate in general u know like the history of the show and stuff anything u can think of

[Voxyn]

Some changes to the writing staff probably.
I've got nothing against the staff that they have now, but you really need new brains to help you write new stories that aren't rehashes of old ideas.

[SG-18]

I agree. New writers. At least half of them should be new. Fresh eyes that can come up with new ideas.

Example, I think I know in Atlantis that one of the writers (cannot remember his name) said he had this ida for SG1 and never got around to fitting it in.

Actually not sure that really backs up my statement, but you get the point.

[DigiFluid]

Personally, I consider Atlantis as a whole to have been a colossal failure. It was a terrible mishmash of rehashed and recycled plots, cliched and generally bad writing, a largely uninteresting cast of characters, and just plain boring villains. So let's roll the clock back five years and consider two alternatives that could have been.....

Pegasus A: Faceless Wraith
SG-1 figures out the location of Atlantis a la 'Lost City' and 'Rising'.

But this time, Wraith are done right. They're not goth space biker vampires with lame teeth prosthetics and cheap plastic-looking knockoffs of weapons that have been on SG-1 for seven years already at this point.

Imagine Wraith we never see one-on-one, at least not for several years into the show. Imagine instead that they're a devastating force that holds Pegasus captive, without its residents ever knowing what the Wraith really are. All the people of Pegasus really know is that every so often the Wraith appear and swarms (ie: FAR more than we ever saw on SGA's five seasons) of Darts cull worlds almost to extinction. When people are taken by Wraith Darts/beams, they simply vanish never to be seen again.

We could have gradually learned more about their technology and tactics over a few years, with a big reveal in some season finale to be them finally seeing Wraith face-to-face. And none of this stupid Ancient accident come to bite them in the ass nonsense, an actual alien species.


Pegasus B: Ford
Atlantis season 1 plays out the way it did (more or less, I don't feel like nitpicking everything that was wrong with it just now). Ford becomes Super Ford just as he did, and takes off.

A recurring plotline could (and SHOULD) have been him and his band of warriors doing their own guerrilla warfare attacks on the Wraith, helping and hindering the Atlantis Expedition at various times. Ford would be driven by a potent cocktail of rage, bitterness, and Wraith enzyme.

A year or two down the line, Ford would finally choose to come home (for whatever reason, it would make a great character episode) to Atlantis, where significant amounts of time would be spent on reintegrating him into the Atlantis family; all before his heartbreaking homecoming to his grandparents as only a shell of the man who left Earth a few years before.


Milky Way: Antarctica A
Rewind the clock a little further now to 'Full Circle'. Abydos is destroyed, Daniel Jackson is gone forever by doing what he does best (fighting to protect the innocent), but the team also learn that they're very close to discovering the Lost City.

Enter Season 7, the team (still with Jonas!) finds Atlantis in the opening episode, under the ice in Antarctica. Drastic set change, as all SGC operations move to Atlantis. From there, the war against Anubis continues continues till its completion.

And no mention of Replicators ever again. As far as anyone is concerned, they're still in the time dilation field till time itself comes to an end.


Milky Way: Antarctica B
SG-1 ends with 'Lost City', discovering Atlantis under the ice in the last minutes of the show and using it to tear Anubis' fleet to shreds.

Open Atlantis' first episode. It's now the base of Earth-based Stargate operations, and the base of operations in the new (losing) battle for our galaxy against the Replicators.

I'm visualizing some cool other stuff in this, like using the city to cloak or shield the entire planet from time to time. I'm seeing retreating battles in front of hoards of Replicator bugs consuming entire worlds as we try to find ways to stop them.
















....more later, it's 2am and I'm tired and still fraking puzzled by BSG's new developments tonight.

[Falcon Horus]

umm no......

Umm yes... There are some great ideas hidden in Digifluid's post. I would love to see more of this when he comes back refreshed.

[lord groovy]

Spoiler:

Personally, I consider Atlantis as a whole to have been a colossal failure. It was a terrible mishmash of rehashed and recycled plots, cliched and generally bad writing, a largely uninteresting cast of characters, and just plain boring villains. So let's roll the clock back five years and consider two alternatives that could have been.....

Pegasus A: Faceless Wraith
SG-1 figures out the location of Atlantis a la 'Lost City' and 'Rising'.

But this time, Wraith are done right. They're not goth space biker vampires with lame teeth prosthetics and cheap plastic-looking knockoffs of weapons that have been on SG-1 for seven years already at this point.

Imagine Wraith we never see one-on-one, at least not for several years into the show. Imagine instead that they're a devastating force that holds Pegasus captive, without its residents ever knowing what the Wraith really are. All the people of Pegasus really know is that every so often the Wraith appear and swarms (ie: FAR more than we ever saw on SGA's five seasons) of Darts cull worlds almost to extinction. When people are taken by Wraith Darts/beams, they simply vanish never to be seen again.

We could have gradually learned more about their technology and tactics over a few years, with a big reveal in some season finale to be them finally seeing Wraith face-to-face. And none of this stupid Ancient accident come to bite them in the ass nonsense, an actual alien species.


Pegasus B: Ford
Atlantis season 1 plays out the way it did (more or less, I don't feel like nitpicking everything that was wrong with it just now). Ford becomes Super Ford just as he did, and takes off.

A recurring plotline could (and SHOULD) have been him and his band of warriors doing their own guerrilla warfare attacks on the Wraith, helping and hindering the Atlantis Expedition at various times. Ford would be driven by a potent cocktail of rage, bitterness, and Wraith enzyme.

A year or two down the line, Ford would finally choose to come home (for whatever reason, it would make a great character episode) to Atlantis, where significant amounts of time would be spent on reintegrating him into the Atlantis family; all before his heartbreaking homecoming to his grandparents as only a shell of the man who left Earth a few years before.


Milky Way: Antarctica A
Rewind the clock a little further now to 'Full Circle'. Abydos is destroyed, Daniel Jackson is gone forever by doing what he does best (fighting to protect the innocent), but the team also learn that they're very close to discovering the Lost City.

Enter Season 7, the team (still with Jonas!) finds Atlantis in the opening episode, under the ice in Antarctica. Drastic set change, as all SGC operations move to Atlantis. From there, the war against Anubis continues continues till its completion.

And no mention of Replicators ever again. As far as anyone is concerned, they're still in the time dilation field till time itself comes to an end.


Milky Way: Antarctica B
SG-1 ends with 'Lost City', discovering Atlantis under the ice in the last minutes of the show and using it to tear Anubis' fleet to shreds.

Open Atlantis' first episode. It's now the base of Earth-based Stargate operations, and the base of operations in the new (losing) battle for our galaxy against the Replicators.

I'm visualizing some cool other stuff in this, like using the city to cloak or shield the entire planet from time to time. I'm seeing retreating battles in front of hoards of Replicator bugs consuming entire worlds as we try to find ways to stop them.

Some ideas are good : Ford returns principally and faceless Wraith. I would add some more :

Wraith :

Spoiler:

- replacing darts with some kind of dark swarm similar to bees. Not unlike the mini-drones.

- keep the mysterious super old wraith from the planet where there was the Ancient satellite. He would have been an interesting character as some kind of Anubis counterpart in Pegasus : super-megalomaniac and trying to become a Wraith King. Imagine him feeding on fellow under-Wraith or Queen...

- keep Todd. Nothing more to say.

- get rid of Michael. He had interesting ideas but nothing really spectacular. Gave them to Ford or one of Ford's lieutenant-chief scientist. If YOU do like him, let him be a captured Wraith whose only chance his to help Ford group to stay alive.

Genii :

Spoiler:

- having the Genii become more present and guerilla-like people with multiple underground bases around the galaxy. Maybe even experimenting with Ancient technology so that we have (good) episodes were they make terrible mistakes that Atlantis team have to fix or that lead to total extermination by Wraith.

- Replace old-Kolya by a younger-Kolya having his own team with recurring characters so that it would look like a Genii version of SG1. I really liked seeing him going after Sheppard and his team. If anyone has an idea about who should be their version of Teal'c, please post.

- I would like more episodes about the Travelers.

Asuran :

Spoiler:

- I think the Asuran should stay but differently. Maybe having them more like the Tollan and the Asgard in SG1. They are a legacy of Janus but they choose to protect their own territory with an advanced copy of Atlantis patrolling in space. They don't care about the rest of the Galaxy and particularly about the Wraith since they are not organic.

- But on the other hand they are not really bad but rather narrowminded : Janus wanted them to create an advanced civilization so they thought that they should control every aspect of their life. Every civilization they helped looks a lot like the Aschen : they are in a golden prison. In their territory all the gates have been blocked except one : the Asuras gate.

- They don't like Atlantis team because they are defying them and refuse their "help". Even McKay who doesn't want to sacrifice his freedom for some 'minor scientific knowledge gain'. They would be seen in some episodes when the team is really in deep s**t and WE don't want any of those plotholes. but well their help comes with a price.

- Like any advanced fascist civilization they have to disappear. Forget BAMSR. Bring back Aterro device. This would bring a big nice battle arround the planet where it was located once the device was destroyed. Maybe we could even have a 2-parter with the 1st half being the original episode and the 2nd one the 304s and Traveler ship between Wraith and Asuran fires.

- what else?

[major davis]

a Squad of skilled marines that follow around atlantis 1 that slaugher every wraith they come into contact with

Also this is my 100th post. YEA!!!!!!!!

[DigiFluid]

To take a look at the SG-1 side of things for a bit....witness my imagination run wild:


I liked the Ori arc. A lot. I thought it was a terrific reinvention of the series after the departure of RDA and the conclusion of the Goa'uld and Replicator story arcs; a new way of forging forward. That said, there's a good amount of it that I would have approached differently had I been guaranteed five or six more years.


Season 9: The Prior incursions into our galaxy would have gone on for much longer. A significant number of defeats for our heroes would be interspersed with one-off episodes. Season 9 would have ended with the Ori attempt to spread a plague through our galaxy (on a cliffhanger), ending on the unexpected arrival of Jonas as a Prior--to spread the plague to Earth.

Season 10: With the Earth victory over the Ori plague early in season 10 (thanks to the timely intervention of an adult Orlin guest appearance), Prior incursions would have become considerably less successful--though Prior Jonas would be a recurring villain for the whole year. I'd like to see some more 'good guy' victories for a while here, though still with one-offs interspersed throughout. Season 10 would have been closed out a la Crusade/Camelot, but with the added twist of Jonas regaining his humanity and trying to stop the invasion (unsuccessfully) before his untimely demise.

Season 11: At this point we would see the birth of Adria, and significant focus on the team searching out Merlin's weapon. I'd like to see a lot more focus on Daniel's skills as an archaeologist, rather than Action Jackson, a return in a big way to mythology as an important plot device. Lots of self-contained episodes relating to mythology, but still contributing to the overall plot in the way that early SG-1 did its episodes. The clues would finally come together at the end of the season in a huge 'The Quest' style episode, culminating with Daniel's capture. Meanwhile throughout the season to that point, lots of Ori military victories.

Season 12: The team (minus Daniel) manages to escape with part of the weapon. Daniel would then be missing for a number of episodes (more than he was gone in the real season 10). The team would run into him in say 12.09 and learn that he's been made into a Prior. In the midseason cliffhanger, the team captures him but--because of their experience with Jonas--is unsure of his motives. It ends with them getting Daniel back, and the weapon knowledge with him, but the pieces to complete it still in Adria's hands.

I'm seeing mostly one-offs for the second half of the season, capped off with a season-ending cliffhanger. In this I'd like to see the team going on a stealth mission to try to sneak in and capture the remaining pieces of the Ori weapon from Adria's command ship.

Season 13: This season would open much the way 'The Shroud' did, with the active weapon and Adria being sent back through the Supergate to the Ori galaxy, and the defection of Tomin--a BIG victory for the good guys. But this of course leaves the problem of the Ori followers and military forces in our galaxy.

Somehow or another the team learns of the Ark of Truth early on and they have a new device to use DJ's mythological knowledge to search for all year, while Tomin rehabilitates and attempts to come to terms with what he's done.

The season closes with Adria's return and unexpected ambush by Ba'al, who at this point hasn't been heard from in five years (since the end of season 8). This year ends with a 'Dominion' style two-part, culminating in the death of Ba'al (note: the ONLY Ba'al) and Adria's ascension. No cliffhanger here, just a mixed-feelings end like 'Revelations', or 'Full Circle'.

Season 14: Big season opener....the team and Odyssey depart for the Ori galaxy in search of the Ark of Truth.

Two possibilities I can't decide on from here
14a: The year is spent on the ship going from planet to planet....
14b: The ship is forced to set down on a planet, and the team gates from there....

Exploring worlds in this distant galaxy in search of the Ark. End the season on them finding the Ark and returning to our galaxy (the ship being finally repaired enough to lift off, if 14b is your choice).

[fugiman]

The asgard dying in such a stupid a manner I think would be the one thing that I changed