'Identity' (518) General Discussion

[Replicator Fifth]

Have no idea what you're talking about.




Let's see how 'courageous' you are when you're about to be executed for seemingly no good reason.




So? If you want to legitimately complain about anything about Teyla, you ought to wonder why she doesn't spend more time with her kid and her SO... which I can't remember if he's husband or boyfriend.




The people who want to be entertained.

your sarcasm is uncalled for that goes for Pandora's box, too...
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O_O
oh god I'm turning into a mod!!!!

[Replicator Fifth]

Oh, I thought you meant the entire season. Because I was like, wha? I agree Keller should of been a lot more brave in this ep, and perhaps even try to escape. Heck, they are going to kill you, cannot hurt to try and escape.

very true... sometimes the writers forget certain things about the characters. but usually I don't mind. ...unless they butcher it...

[Pandora's_Box]

Oh, I thought you meant the entire season. Because I was like, wha? I agree Keller should of been a lot more brave in this ep, and perhaps even try to escape. Heck, they are going to kill you, cannot hurt to try and escape.

Exactly. Instead we got gaping-goldfish-mouth Keller and callously cruel Rodney.

your sarcasm is uncalled for that goes for Pandora's box, too...

I'm never sarcastic. Ask anybody.

Right, anybody?

[Replicator Fifth]

oh, yeah I guess that about right. though maybe thats just the character, Rodney being Rodney

[jenks]

Why would you think they wouldn't have cake or chocolate in the Athosian settlement? They aren't primates y'know.

Yes they are.

[jenks]

The SG-1 episodes with this device were nothing like Identity, claiming thev're run out to of ideas and ripping off SG-1 because they're reused a piece of technology is like saying FC is a rip off of BAMSR because they both use the Daedalus in a space battle.

[Rosehawk]

So what you're saying is maybe Zelenka's just a wuss?

I find that pretty doubtful. I don't think the liver's located 1 inch under the skin in your mid chest region.

He wasn't stabbed in the mid chest region, he was stabbed on his right side under the rib cage, looks like in the soft spot, so the amount of force she used could very well have lacerated his liver, it's a big organ.

Spoiler:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...nti/liver2.jpg

[jenks]

Or the force could have cracked a rib and that did the damage...

[DragonLadyK]

Did Keller's courage go on vacation along with her basic ability to formulate complex thoughts beyond, "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!"?

But such is the way they write Keller. They give her a little cool ("Adrift," -- that was a LOT cool -- "Lifeline," "Doppleganger," -- again, that was a LOT cool -- "Tabula Rasa," -- a LOT cool again -- "Trio," "The Last Man," "Tracker," FC/TLT) and then take it all away ("Missing," "Trio," "The Shrine," FC/TLT, "Brain Storm," "Identity"). Half the reason I hate her so much is dissapointment that they wrecked my shiny.

The scenes with McKay and Radek were just painful to watch. "Hot Zone," "Tao of Rodney," "Submersion," BAMSR -- what were those again?

DragonLady

[HayO]

I feel bad for Zelenka.. hopes he gets better ;D

[DragonLadyK]

I... actually loved it. It made me squee like a little girl.

1) Zelenka-whump. Enough said. Sheppard and Woolsey's utter determination to find out who did it was a bonus to the whump itself, as was McKay staying for the surgery.

2) "Zelenka wouldn't hurt a fly." No one in that room believed Zelenka would have attacked Keller for a second.

3) Zelenka is either an untrained empath or telepath. I've had this theory in the back of my mind for a while: what with Radek almost always knowing what McKay is thinking or feeling even from across the city; the way he recoiled from Carter in ways he's never balked at McKay even with Carter wearing her good-CO-face; the way he disappeared after "No Man's Land" as if ill from being on an organic ship for days; the way the Seed lashed out at him and not Beckett or Teyla. Confirmation that Radek has mysterious headaches often and the way he knew within thirty seconds that something was wrong with Keller and got progressively more freaked out even though Keller's behavior didn't become exponentially erratic? Made me happy.

4) The Radek/Ronon subtext. Radek gets stabbed and two scenes later Ronon shows up at the stabber's quarters all looming and growling? They're bonded. Also, there's the matter of that beaded bracelet that's suddenly made its appearance...

5) Smart Ronon. Ronon was leagues ahead of everyone else. He was tailing Keller and telling people that it wasn't Keller in Keller's body while everyone else was still thinking it was a psychological thing or maybe a parasite.

6) Keller was nice to Radek. About time you clued into the awesome, sweetie.

The only things I didn't like about it were that Keller couldn't BS her way through being with the robbers. Seriously, it's like TPTB enjoy wrecking any chances Keller has at winning back the people who hate her. They certainly seemed to enjoy wrecking my shiny Adrift/Doppleganger/Tabula Rasa/The Last Man!Keller. I also didn't like Rodney's cruelty in that last scene with Zelenka in the med bay. Four seasons worth of characterization down the drain.

But still. Radek/Ronon subtext for the win. A lot of win.

DragonLady

[Briangate78]

Exactly. Instead we got gaping-goldfish-mouth Keller and callously cruel Rodney.



I'm never sarcastic. Ask anybody.

Right, anybody?

See I agree about Keller, but I think Mckay was kidding around knowing Zelenka was going to be fine. Back in the earlier seasons Mckay would of been quite serious. I honestly feel that.

[Pandora's_Box]

See I agree about Keller, but I think Mckay was kidding around knowing Zelenka was going to be fine. Back in the earlier seasons Mckay would of been quite serious. I honestly feel that.

To the point where Zelenka wanted to leave the room?

Unless that was some weird guy code for, "I want some privacy with my woman" then I'm not buying it.

[Briangate78]

To the point where Zelenka wanted to leave the room?

Unless that was some weird guy code for, "I want some privacy with my woman" then I'm not buying it.

The three of them are friends and joke with eachother. It showed the three of them were comfortable and knew Rodney was kidding around. That is how I saw it. Rodney changed a lot after Tao of Rodney and Sunday. I was watching some Season one eps today, btw the show is still just as good, but anyway, I see a totally different arrogant Rodney who was not sincere in the beginning.

[fumblesmcstupid]

uh Keller thinks Radek is Creepy remember? Trio?

[DragonLadyK]

uh Keller thinks Radek is Creepy remember? Trio?

She did, but she was nice to him here. Therefore it's possible in the between-time she realized she was wrong, wrong, wrong, wronger, wrongest before.

Or she realized he's not interested in her at all. *cough* Keller not being six-odd feet of Satedan military.

DragonLady

[FallenAngelII]

As if anyone would jump to that conclusion within the time frame this happened in. She's acting unusual therefore it must have something to do with the stabbing? Come on, there could be any number of perfectly innocent reasons for her not to be acting like her usual self.

Yes, but this is Atlantis, home to one zillion things that can go wrong. With the heightened security and Richard supposedly wanting to go to the bottom of it quickly, any suspicious behavior should've, you know, raised suspicions.

Especially when it's a sudden change in personality, apparent memory loss and god knows what. Neva most certainly didn't speak the same way Jennifer does, so it was even a change in speech patterns.

Not to mention that this comes off the heels of Rodney having just suffered a deadly brain parasite that didn't show up on scans and they almost lost one of their own due to their inability to act fast enough due to suspicious behavior.

Rodney's behavior was not suspicious enough to immediately raise alarms (but I still think that since it persisted, they should've noticed it faster), but Jennifer's was!

And the main point is:
Rodney

Everybody's reactions were kinda acceptable... except Rodney's. Rodney was the stupidest person this episode. He was the one who ticked me off the most.

After all of the shennanigans, he finds her trying to fly a Jumper despite lacking the Ancient gene. And how does she try to fly it? By pressing buttons.

The smartest man in two galaxies should be able to tell that something is seriously wrong and immediately call for security. If the woman I loved was acting in this way, I'd immediately call security in case she needed immediate medical attention instead of hoping she's just "depressed" or something, especially if I'm a hypochondriac who thinks a wheeze could be cancer or something (hyperbole).

But what does he do? He barely reacts. It's not 'til she starts begging for him to fly her out of there that he gets serious about getting her back to the infirmary, but she still doesn't call security.

In the Pegasus galaxy, when someone's acting that way, you react immediately. Who knows what was up? It could've been a clone! Or a Replicator mind in a 100% human body without nanites!

With Radek getting stabbed, they should've had security heightened and their senses open for any suspicious behavior, but they let Neva get away with way too much due to their inability to react fast enough.

[sweetsamurai]

I remember Richard Dean Anderson saying, "you don't want to dumb it down so that a cow can understand it."

This episode didn't follow this edict.
Personally, I was insulted by this episode.
Disappointing.
They should have killed Keller at the end.

[michellec24_7]

She did, but she was nice to him here. Therefore it's possible in the between-time she realized she was wrong, wrong, wrong, wronger, wrongest before.

Or she realized he's not interested in her at all. *cough* Keller not being six-odd feet of Satedan military.

DragonLady

Ahhhh a ZelenDex shipper eh??

I was a little disappointed (again) with this ep... it is very similar to what we've seen before and as it is supposed to be the last season I was expecting at least the last 4 or 5 eps to be amazing! Building up to a stunning climax which would then lead to the Atlantis movie...

Fingers crossed the reason these eps have been so lukewarm is because they have an incredible Movie in store for us to make up for it

[Linda06]

Good news, sorta. Alan McCullough is writing at least one episode in the first season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargat...e-jm_081114-15

I hope he will write more, so not all hope is lost.

He is.....awwwww maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

I'm never sarcastic. Ask anybody.

Right, anybody?

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