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    Quote Originally Posted by Klenotka View Post
    I can´t really describe what I think. I have only two brilliant scenes in my head - James and John, having so far the best dialogue on Sanctuary and Will´s scene with James and their talk about his skills and how Will´s skill was presented (also the best so far for me).

    Peter Wingfield and Chris Heyerdahl were amazing
    I definitely grinned my ears off at that scene. It sparkled and the actors had their timing and expressions so right. I could feel how enthralled Will was to witness this extraordinary repartee with the famous crime fighter and the infamous criminal he never caught! Please I hope they pepper the episodes with more of the two. Although I imagine it's a bit of a strain to for them to work together!

    I don't think I imagined the affection Watson has for Helen; it was a little bittersweet that he mentioned her long absence in his life. Add that she became John's lover, who then became a serial killer whom Watson never found - deep undercurrents in this episode (Hmm; does Watson hold a grudge that Helen knew John was JtR?). Not a triangle, I don't think, considering Watson's question to Will about "working for a woman." He probably held a smidgeon of male superiority over her back then and John apparently saw her as an equal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amalthea View Post
    *dies of thunk* Oh Peter Wingfield... *fans self* Loved him as Methos, even loved him as Tanith, and now, Dr. Watson. It's that little smirk he has that is so endearing. *picks self off the floor* Ok, I'm sure there was more to this episode than him. LOL
    I certainly agree about Peter - it was great seeing him again. He's played the roles you mentioned in their unique memorable characters. More of him, too.
    Lots of fun to be had in this episode. I suspect that the Cabal wants the five to go after the blood so they can get their hands on it to enhance the virus thingy they made. They probably knew Druitt was poking around out there and would infect the Sanctuary thus forcing the five to act.
    Watson seemed to have a sixth sense about the mission they were going on, and of course we find that he has good reason. Evil Cabal is herding them into their dastardly web of dastardly stuff. I was hoping he'd do another Sherlock Holmes-ian deduction before they leaped to the remote icy climes of the Lost City (? mixing shows?? And why do the remote regions always have to be icy? Brr.) I think John's fervor to stop the Cabal overruled second thoughts.
    Oh, and I thought it was very interesting that the invisible man passed on his traits both to his daughter and granddaughter. That makes Ashley's genome very interesting. I can't help but wonder if she has more abilities than she knows or if Helen is keeping them in check somehow.
    I hate two-parters! I want more now!
    Yes! I wondered the same for Ashley, too. She's certainly got more than a bit of Helen's and John's determination, focus and ingenuity. So what else could she have developed from the two? If new powers surface it would be handy if it happened while she's in the Cabal's lair and can bam zoom wham 'em! The writers must have something special in mind there. Of course there's a hint that Helen hasn't manifested her full powers, too; its seems that longevity was a basic effect for The Five.

    Just sayin', alas, cliffhangers happen! Just some initial thoughts and response to the many on the thread. A really cool thoughtful offering. Well, maybe some things didn't sit well, like Ashely's foray into the Cabal lair with a greenling like Henry (love him but he's green at commando missions). I'm all excited now for the second half. And the second season.
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    Default Re: Revelations, Part 1 (112)

    ah, DOES watson know of druitt's extracurricular activities??

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    If you mean being the Ripper: yeah he does. He said he had no idea that the man he confessed his frustration about not stopping the Ripper was the ripper himself!

    Anyone want to venture a guess on how the Cabal is going to get Ashley to help them?
    (i hope it's not bugs...)

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    I had an 8 hour drive and got to thinking about what Helen's Dad meant by 'the asset is in place'...... I wonder if the asset is the Sanctuary itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hisg1fans View Post
    I had an 8 hour drive and got to thinking about what Helen's Dad meant by 'the asset is in place'...... I wonder if the asset is the Sanctuary itself?
    I admittedly have not seen the episode, but from what I gather in the discussion, is the asset not Ashley?

    Isn't the Cabal controlling her somehow, now?

    Or am I entirely wrong?

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    The line is from "Warriors," not this episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver View Post
    so.... a dig from watson about which beatle helen 'knew'
    who would that be then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by majorsal View Post
    i'm having some serious issues with not being able to understand their dialog. if i wasn't going to rewatch this ep for pleasure, i'd do it just to know half of what they said. and i think it's the scifi channel doing it, because i have a bit of probs with atlantis too (but more with sanctuary). it just comes off muffled.
    I watch a lot of shows with the close captioning on. I started back when Gilmore Girls was on and they would talk so fast! Now, as soon as I have trouble hearing a show the CC comes on. Like you said, sometimes it's muffled, sometimes I can't make everything out because of an accent, etc.

    Course, I could just be getting old...

    I'm liking this show more and more. Can't wait for this week's episode, but I hate that we're done then for the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by majorsal View Post
    who would that be then?
    Who ever it was, Helen probably had the same effect on him as Amanda does on people .

    ~The Amanda Effect~

    ~The Carter Effect~

    ~The Helen Effect~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandora's_Box View Post
    I admittedly have not seen the episode, but from what I gather in the discussion, is the asset not Ashley?

    Isn't the Cabal controlling her somehow, now?

    Or am I entirely wrong?
    It is Helen's biggest weakness. Using this 'Achilles' in their plans wouldnt be a bad move on the part of the Cabal for their success. I havent seen part 2 yet, but I'm really wondering what Helen might do when she finds out that Ashley has been captured and the pawn/bait Ashley will become for the Cabal to ultimately get what they seek.

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    Hi all.
    I just sow the episode and now I now why I watch the show it was great. But I have some questions:
    1. Why do are all abnormals affected that dose not make any seas?
    2. Why are so many of the 5 still alive? Helen got the long life not the others?
    3. Why are there so few people in the Sanctuary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinielf View Post
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    Hi all.
    I just sow the episode and now I now why I watch the show it was great. But I have some questions:
    1. Why do are all abnormals affected that dose not make any seas?
    2. Why are so many of the 5 still alive? Helen got the long life not the others?
    3. Why are there so few people in the Sanctuary?
    Hi pinielf, cool name!

    I thought I'd take a stab at answering your questions, though keep in mind, it's mostly just conjecture on my part.

    1. I think all the abnormals are affected because that seems to be the Cabal's intent with the virus, to start a war between humans and abnormals. So I think the virus triggers something common to all abnormals that turns them violent, but The Five are protected because of the Source blood.

    2. Helen's has the longevity, and I think it was implied with Tesla becoming more vampiric he gained a similar kind of longevity. For Druitt, I think he's still alive in part with his teleporting (I think he can jump through time and space) and in part because of the blood Helen gave him. For Watson I think it's the equipment he wears that's been keeping him alive. And since Griffin's granddaughter seems to be in her 20s, it's likely that he simply died of old age.

    3. I think the 'real world' reason there are so few people in the Sanctuary is because the production team couldn't afford to have the extras or guest characters needed to fill-in the Sanctuary. For an in-show reason, I think Helen tries to keep a low-profile with the Sanctuary, so she probably doesn't want too many people working there since that could lead to leaks.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvenstarSRV View Post
    Hi pinielf, cool name!

    I thought I'd take a stab at answering your questions, though keep in mind, it's mostly just conjecture on my part.

    1. I think all the abnormals are affected because that seems to be the Cabal's intent with the virus, to start a war between humans and abnormals. So I think the virus triggers something common to all abnormals that turns them violent, but The Five are protected because of the Source blood.

    2. Helen's has the longevity, and I think it was implied with Tesla becoming more vampiric he gained a similar kind of longevity. For Druitt, I think he's still alive in part with his teleporting (I think he can jump through time and space) and in part because of the blood Helen gave him. For Watson I think it's the equipment he wears that's been keeping him alive. And since Griffin's granddaughter seems to be in her 20s, it's likely that he simply died of old age.

    3. I think the 'real world' reason there are so few people in the Sanctuary is because the production team couldn't afford to have the extras or guest characters needed to fill-in the Sanctuary. For an in-show reason, I think Helen tries to keep a low-profile with the Sanctuary, so she probably doesn't want too many people working there since that could lead to leaks.

    Hope that helps.
    Thx (I liked the name 2)
    On the first. my problem is that the abnormals should all be deferent. Deferent DNA changes so no one drogue should affect them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinielf View Post
    Thx (I liked the name 2)
    On the first. my problem is that the abnormals should all be deferent. Deferent DNA changes so no one drogue should affect them all.
    Even although all the abnormals should be different, I agree with Evenstar when she said
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    I think the virus triggers something common to all abnormals that turns them violent
    So even if they are different, there is still one thing that they all have which is what the drug is aimed at.
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    1. Interesting to see Watson. I'm surprised he's still looking relatively young though. At 160 the guy should be dust.

    2. Did like the Holmes vs Ripper one-on-one there. It's times like this that I can definately relate to Will.

    3. Henry and Ashley. Not a bad idea in the circumstances but ouch, that didn't last long.

    4. And Amanda/Helen did have some very cool moments.

    Very nice stuff!

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    I like when John knocks on the door and said, "It's not often I use a door. Quite the novelty."


    Just love it.

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    This was an interesting episode. Perhaps not my favorite of the season, but definitely a one from the better ones. Can't wait the second part.

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    Okay, I watched part two, and wow @ the cliffhanger. Now that is the way to end a season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt G View Post
    1. Interesting to see Watson. I'm surprised he's still looking relatively young though. At 160 the guy should be dust.
    2. Did like the Holmes vs Ripper one-on-one there. It's times like this that I can definately relate to Will.

    3. Henry and Ashley. Not a bad idea in the circumstances but ouch, that didn't last long.

    4. And Amanda/Helen did have some very cool moments.

    Very nice stuff!
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    so, revelations pt 1. What can I say, i'm a bit behind

    we see a fruition of a few weeks of plot, the cabal making their move, how relentless they are towards abbies. We get druitt on druitt...biggie answering the door for, well himself.

    we findout that the cabal has been spying on the sanctuary

    we get to see the rest of the five and meet clara (who shoulda worn red). We get to see WAtson doing his 'mine is bigger' with every other male (totally insufferable if it'd been in real life)

    They do enjoy the 'sherlock holmes and jack the ripper' a lot. We get to see Helen's adventurous side and where ash gets her enthusiasm from. We get a great line as Henry holds his own against druitt and the others 'one minute he's all hearts and flowers the next he's turning a working girl into a canoe'

    A lot of it is all set up, and I really don't; care for the ash/henry bits, largely cause I know what's gonna happen, but it does set up a LOT and a wonderful arc

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