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    Project Arcturus/Atlantis Arcturus

    Obviously McKay never got the Durandon Arcturus working as... y'know.. boom.

    Anyway..

    The one they used (built?) on Atlantis that uses Jeannie's universe bridging idea to overcome the exotic particle problem.

    First time out of the gate, they hit an inhabited universe even though the chance of that happening (according to McKay anyway) was slim to none.

    So, after alternate McKay came through to tell them to cut it out as it was gonna destroy them, they shut it down completely...

    Why?

    Couldn't they just re-try until they hit an uninhabited universe or one with nobody there to send someone through to stop it?

    Then they'd have all the power they would need forever, no more ZPM's, no more Naquadah Generators.

    Was this just some annoying way of keeping the show in the direction of "we need more ZPM's" or am i missing something completely?

    #2
    Originally posted by fishman550 View Post
    Obviously McKay never got the Durandon Arcturus working as... y'know.. boom.

    Anyway..

    The one they used (built?) on Atlantis that uses Jeannie's universe bridging idea to overcome the exotic particle problem.

    First time out of the gate, they hit an inhabited universe even though the chance of that happening (according to McKay anyway) was slim to none.

    So, after alternate McKay came through to tell them to cut it out as it was gonna destroy them, they shut it down completely...

    Why?

    Couldn't they just re-try until they hit an uninhabited universe or one with nobody there to send someone through to stop it?

    Then they'd have all the power they would need forever, no more ZPM's, no more Naquadah Generators.

    Was this just some annoying way of keeping the show in the direction of "we need more ZPM's" or am i missing something completely?
    opening the bridge and closeing it again depleded the Zpm and they dont have that many that they chould try this often

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      #3
      The AU had a plan in place which would destroy Atlantis and possibly our universe if they enacted it. Who's to say the next universe would even warn us before they destroy us.
      Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

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        #4
        Originally posted by Buba uognarf View Post
        The AU had a plan in place which would destroy Atlantis and possibly our universe if they enacted it. Who's to say the next universe would even warn us before they destroy us.

        He makes a fair point. The project itself was a great idea, however there are too many variables and unknowns in the equations that could produce unpredicted events to happen (such as the destruction of the universe). The risk is just too great to try again, because although McKay may have blown up a Solar System, blowing up a Universe (or more universes) is not what I think he really wants to do.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Buba uognarf View Post
          The AU had a plan in place which would destroy Atlantis and possibly our universe if they enacted it. Who's to say the next universe would even warn us before they destroy us.
          And they couldn't try AU Carter's way because...? The AU Carter died because she wasn't working with the same technology. Essentially, her's didn't work. And, this is really just one example. There are many other examples where the Expedition has encounter potentially useful and functioning technology that has not been put into use, such as the Daedalus Variations AU Mckay's AU drive. While there was a problem controlling it, the device worked, and its source of power matched that of a ZPM. Now, why couldn't Earth use that to power Atlantis and the 304s? Atlantis hasn't even produced one thing from their time in Pegasus. They have nothing to show for the lives they have lost in Pegasus. And the have the Ancient database. The only thing that has arisen of Earth origin is the ARG. Earth relies so much on Asgard and Ancient technology. I think the ultimate goal should be the betterment of Earth technology. And as far as power requirements, they have two options for that- the Road Not Taken Arcturus-like project and the Daedalus Variations power source.
          Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth or easy...

          ... or that any man can measure the tides and hurricanes he will
          encounter on the strange journey.


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          2 Cor. 10:3-5
          3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
          4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; )
          5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

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            #6
            That's a good point, the Subspace Tap was a pretty potent power source, it had to be to provide the energy needed to make the jump to another reality/Universe.
            While ZPM levels of power could either mean equal to a fully charged ZPM or the minimum amount of energy you can expect to get from one, even that minimum level of power is probably still a lot more energy than our most advanced power generators can produce.
            If Area 51 worked on refining the tech they could probably make it charge the buffers much faster and even find a way to contain Vacuum energy in a similar way to how a ZPM does.
            Last edited by Rise Of The Phoenix; 21 November 2008, 10:43 PM.

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              #7
              Im sure the subspace tap is being researched, would take afew months to fit out ships with it anyway

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                #8
                Originally posted by HAL View Post
                Im sure the subspace tap is being researched, would take afew months to fit out ships with it anyway
                Well I don't know about that (the time thing ), I mean a ship has already got the 'power grid/conduits' running to various systems so it's probably just a case of transporting it to a particular location on board the ship, maybe fit a number of capacitors to various locations so that varying degrees of energy can be available when needed.

                If you recall it didn't take that long for McKay to install the ZPM into the Daedalus's systems in the episode Echoes so an ST shouldn't really take that long to install, perhaps a few days, maybe a week at the most with a trained team of engineers and scientists working on it.

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                  #9
                  they need to design and build the thing first. i mean c'mon uts not like they downloaded a schematic for one when they were on the AU Daedalus so it will take time. at least they now know it's possible.
                  And the meek shall inherit the earth...............but only after the last soldier wills it to them

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by QuantumDragon View Post
                    they need to design and build the thing first. i mean c'mon uts not like they downloaded a schematic for one when they were on the AU Daedalus so it will take time. at least they now know it's possible.
                    Well if the AU Rodney is supposedly the person who made the thing in the first place, knowing it's a possibility and the physics behind it then our Rodney should be able to make one.
                    Even Carter could probably build one.

                    What ever happened to tapping energy from multiple alternate universe simultaneously?
                    As long as certain fail safes like an off switch were built into the system or making it so the device only tapped energy from like a dozen different universes for 10 seconds a piece then surely it should be safe to use shouldn't it?

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                      #11
                      and if one of those universes should happen to be inhabited?
                      And the meek shall inherit the earth...............but only after the last soldier wills it to them

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                        #12
                        then nothing would happen, since a 10 sec tap wouldn't be noticeable.
                        sigpic

                        Spoiler:
                        Originally posted by IMDB
                        Revealing mistakes: Throughout the series, the IDC is received by the SGC before the wormhole has been established.
                        Hehe

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                          #13
                          eventually the efect would build up unless you were using an infinate number of universes and never went back to any of them
                          And the meek shall inherit the earth...............but only after the last soldier wills it to them

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                            #14
                            well, due to the fact that millions of new ones pop up every yoctosecond, just find one that's already done for (wraith/goa'uld controlled, etc) and work with the additional ones that spring of it.
                            Last edited by tjoflojt; 18 May 2009, 10:25 AM.
                            sigpic

                            Spoiler:
                            Originally posted by IMDB
                            Revealing mistakes: Throughout the series, the IDC is received by the SGC before the wormhole has been established.
                            Hehe

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                              #15
                              I take it that each universe would have a set frequency or you could assign a coordinate system to the thing, so just make sure you don't use one of dozen universes you've tapped that time, move onto another set of 12.
                              I bet a 10 second tap would give you all the energy you'd need from 12 universes.

                              If there's an incalculable number of universes to tap then that means you're never gonna run out of power to tap.

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