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    Should The Internet Be Censored And Controlled?

    Should the internet be censored?

    In Australia they are going to try and implement filters at every ISP to filter content the government deems illegal and inappropriate. I think Obama wants to do the same in the USA but that will be voluntary and not at the ISP where it would slow down traffic.

    What do you think of this and are any countries doing this right now? Has the UK done this I read from a friend they have but can't confirm it.
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    i don't think things have been censored as much as monitored.

    do a google search on al qaeda and you'll send up a flag somewhere. visit known hate sites - like KKK or islamic terrorist sites - and they'll know that you went there.

    I once heard a tale about how IM"s and chats and e-mails are scanned for trigger words, like bomb or explosives, etc, and those are looked at to see if it's something as benign as 'man, jimmy's team bombed last night' or something more sinister.

    big brother is out there far more than we want to realize. nothing using technology is truly private anymore.

    Even as much as i know blocking sites like - how to make explosives in your kitchen or meth recipes or other stuff like that would benefit in the short term....i don't trust those making the lists of 'bad' sites to adequately be judicious in their decisions. there's too much room for abuse.

    blocking content is a short term patch that really doens't accomplish anything in the long term. educate and then instill in people a sense of right and wrong and responsibility for their actions.

    you can't control the human curiosity. it will find a way.

    so...i can see the appeal in blocking really bad sites....but who is deciding what is bad? adn who is deciding what is good? I don't trust those making the decisions to make a logical and rational decision as to what is truly and honestly for the greater good and to not fall victim to 'hey, block my competitor and i'll make it worth your while'.

    and what happens if someone decides that a planned parenthood site is 'bad'? what happens if the info they are blocking is something that people really can benefit from, but some partisan group decides that you shouldn't know what their site says?

    I'm sure they have the best of intentions, but the potential for abuse is just too much.
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      #3
      Originally posted by Skydiver View Post
      i don't think things have been censored as much as monitored.

      do a google search on al qaeda and you'll send up a flag somewhere. visit known hate sites - like KKK or islamic terrorist sites - and they'll know that you went there.

      I once heard a tale about how IM"s and chats and e-mails are scanned for trigger words, like bomb or explosives, etc, and those are looked at to see if it's something as benign as 'man, jimmy's team bombed last night' or something more sinister.

      big brother is out there far more than we want to realize. nothing using technology is truly private anymore.

      Even as much as i know blocking sites like - how to make explosives in your kitchen or meth recipes or other stuff like that would benefit in the short term....i don't trust those making the lists of 'bad' sites to adequately be judicious in their decisions. there's too much room for abuse.

      blocking content is a short term patch that really doens't accomplish anything in the long term. educate and then instill in people a sense of right and wrong and responsibility for their actions.

      you can't control the human curiosity. it will find a way.

      so...i can see the appeal in blocking really bad sites....but who is deciding what is bad? adn who is deciding what is good? I don't trust those making the decisions to make a logical and rational decision as to what is truly and honestly for the greater good and to not fall victim to 'hey, block my competitor and i'll make it worth your while'.

      and what happens if someone decides that a planned parenthood site is 'bad'? what happens if the info they are blocking is something that people really can benefit from, but some partisan group decides that you shouldn't know what their site says?

      I'm sure they have the best of intentions, but the potential for abuse is just too much.

      But the thing is once this kind of thing gets in then what is to stop them moving onto other media like print and magazines etc.?

      I thought western countries fought wars to preserve our freedoms but it seems some would like to do the very thing they supposedly abhore..
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        #4
        This is a very difficult area. Where do you draw the line? If you allow any form of censoring, can you actually stop?

        I don't think any of us would have any problems if the internet had material such as child pornography, plans for bombs, or similar removed. It would make the world a better place. The problem is, what happens when you find a message board with a bunch of people drumming up terrorist support, with training material and what not? Should that go? Of course. But then... what happens when the website is just anti-current government. Heck a lot of people are anti-current government, it's why we decide to vote for 'the other guy', so where does legitimate freedom of speech end and inappropriate conduct begin?

        Obviously China's censoring of the net has gone much too far. Could America do it appropriatly? Who knows, but I can guarantee there'll be issues.




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          #5
          Short answer: No.
          Long answer: No.
          Any answer in between: No.
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            #6
            Originally posted by Coco Pops View Post
            Should the internet be censored?

            In Australia they are going to try and implement filters at every ISP to filter content the government deems illegal and inappropriate. I think Obama wants to do the same in the USA but that will be voluntary and not at the ISP where it would slow down traffic.

            What do you think of this and are any countries doing this right now? Has the UK done this I read from a friend they have but can't confirm it.
            Not that I know of, I know owning some content is illegal, but I don't think accessing it has been prevented in any way, I could be wrong though.

            Originally posted by rarocks24 View Post
            Short answer: No.
            Long answer: No.
            Any answer in between: No.
            Agreed.

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              #7
              No.

              Education is important. Individuals need to be able to make informed decisions about the information presented to them regardless of the media it is presented on, the internet is just another way of accessing information. "Geez Jimmy...you say blowing up the Fantastic Land of Fairies is the only way to stop their annoying music? Well, I'm just going to go along with this one for sure."

              Equality. If groups aren't oppressed/living in abject poverty/denied access to basic human rights they're less likely to get angry...thats kind of a general statement about life and would lead to less need to try and block websites and information.

              Diversity. When I was both at school and working in schools the school network blocked several websites that I wanted to access. They were nothing more malicious than sites with information for gay teenagers. What is to say that a government will determine that kind of site is a 'bad' site?

              Illiegal sites are already illegal and I support greater powers to bring down those websites that I think should be brought down. I'd be elated to live in a world without any sites where peodophiles get together to share and upload photos, but even if the sites are gone the individuals aren't. I'd much rather they be caught and stopped.

              The internet is a fantastic resource, it is a gathering of information and I don't think it should ever be censored.

              So all in all....no.
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                #8
                Originally posted by Tittamiire
                . I'd be elated to live in a world without any sites where peodophiles get together to share and upload photos
                You'd think so Tittamiire, and yet, /b/ is still around.
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                  #9
                  that's the crux of the issue, once you start, where do you stop?
                  so a site on making bombs is bad, but then where does the police force go to teach their guys how to disarm them?

                  making meth is bad, but then how do you educate people how to spot a meth lab if you're not allowed to tell them how it's made?

                  how do you teach people how to recognize marijuana if you ban all mention of the plant?

                  once you start, where do you stop? and can you stop?
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                    #10
                    That's why you don't start, the government censoring the internet would be terrible if it ever happened...

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by jenks View Post
                      That's why you don't start, the government censoring the internet would be terrible if it ever happened...
                      i agree with this guy....100%
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by jenks View Post
                        That's why you don't start, the government censoring the internet would be terrible if it ever happened...

                        Unfortunately In Australia at least they are using the excuse of child porn to get the filters in place and the laws passed.

                        And all that talk of protecting the children racked my brain because a famous quote came to mind.

                        "The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."
                        -- Adolf Hitler
                        The website that came from cites it as his quote but I don't think that is correct
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Coco Pops View Post
                          Unfortunately In Australia at least they are using the excuse of child porn to get the filters in place and the laws passed.

                          And all that talk of protecting the children racked my brain because a famous quote came to mind.
                          Child porn is just about universally banned. Sites are permitted to be shut down, again, just about anywhere. Child porn is where the line should permanently be drawn. No further.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by rarocks24 View Post
                            Child porn is just about universally banned. Sites are permitted to be shut down, again, just about anywhere. Child porn is where the line should permanently be drawn. No further.

                            We agree.

                            But as I said CP is the excuse they are using. There is actually a whole blacklist of sites you can't access once the filters are in place.

                            Of course if you get a VPN you can bypass the filters hehe...... Plus the filters will mean for us a 30% slowdown in speed
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                              #15
                              No!

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