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    Default Don't kill well-known characters!

    No thanks, there has been more than enough main character deaths already.

    If they really wanted to kill someone, it should have been Daniel Jackson in "The Lost Tribe"; at least it would have spared us a long and absolute tediousness.
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    The enemies aren't threatening because they're written like bumbling fools. A main cast member being killed by bumbling fools isn't going to do anything except make the team look like bumbling fools too.

    TPTB need to stop with the cut rate wigs and makeup on the Wraith and write more complicated plots that don't rely on the team breaking out of the same Wraith hive ship over and over again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Bauer View Post
    There is no doubt that the sense of fear towards the Wraith and basically any enemy that approaches the Expedition members, is gone!

    So i say to TPTB, KILL A REGULAR CHARACTER (for good ). Dont kill a redshirt, that does nothing, dont kill a reaccuring, like Heightmeyer, cos it doesn;t leave a long lasting effect, KILL Sheppard, KILL McKay, KILL Teyla, or even KILL Ronin, that would create fear, he is the toughest man apparently.

    When the Wraith stun someone these days, it's:
    hmmm lets put them in a cell, let them break out and destroy a Hive and escape as easy as you like!

    This diminishes an enemy and the show.

    I say again:
    KILL SOMEONE!
    KILL KELLER!!!!!!

    In all seriousness I would have to ask, why bother? The show has killed major characters off and never delt with the grief that should have followed. Daniel died and ascended and that was the closest tptb ever came to dealing with the impact of death and even that was half-ass.

    Seriously, kill Teyla? Why? She's already a walking zombie with no real purpose. might as well kill a red shirt. Kill Ronon...ditto! He's a red shirt for the most part. Kill Rodney? Boy I would like to see that but then we wouldn't have a show...Since everything is Rodney based. Kill Sheppard? How would that impact the show? We know about Rodney and Keller anyways.

    The show has killed off: Carson Beckett, Elizabeth weir and Lt Ford. All were regular character, not re-occurring and tptb FAILED to address the loses. How would killing off another character fix that problem when we already know the loss will not be addressed.

    TPTB might as well just destroy Atlantis and scatter the people throughout the galaxy. it would be more interesting than the crap we currently got.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laura Dove View Post
    No thanks, there has been more than enough main character deaths already.

    If they really wanted to kill someone, it should have been Daniel Jackson in "The Lost Tribe"; at least it would have spared us a long and absolute tediousness.
    But killing Daniel has become a joke. He NEVER actually dies. If the writers wanted a fan-fit-throwing event they should have killed (for good) mckay.
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    I wouldn't want to see more characters die either, especially when the only characters that are killed off are those that the writers no longer want to write for.

    If they really want to shake things up then they should kill their favorites, Rodney and Keller, because with those two gone the writers would be forced to come up with storylines (other than 1 token episode a season) for the other characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fumblesmcstupid View Post
    Rumor has that they are!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Bauer View Post
    Source?
    JM mentioned it in his blog that there's a (possible) character death this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naamiaiset View Post
    JM mentioned it in his blog that there's a (possible) character death this season.
    What is a possible character death? Because, the way I see it, they've already killed the McKay character this season. Is that what JM is possibly referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sblade View Post
    What is a possible character death? Because, the way I see it, they've already killed the McKay character this season. Is that what JM is possibly referring to?
    I'm wrong, it wasn't in JM's blog. I found the post:

    http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....postcount=1798

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    I'd really prefer they didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Bauer View Post
    There is no doubt that the sense of fear towards the Wraith and basically any enemy that approaches the Expedition members, is gone!

    So i say to TPTB, KILL A REGULAR CHARACTER (for good ). Dont kill a redshirt, that does nothing, dont kill a reaccuring, like Heightmeyer, cos it doesn;t leave a long lasting effect, KILL Sheppard, KILL McKay, KILL Teyla, or even KILL Ronin, that would create fear, he is the toughest man apparently.

    When the Wraith stun someone these days, it's:
    hmmm lets put them in a cell, let them break out and destroy a Hive and escape as easy as you like!

    This diminishes an enemy and the show.

    I say again:
    KILL SOMEONE!
    I think I see where you are coming from, and I agree with your goal, but not your methods. As others have pointed out, three series regulars have been killed off. They should have used them. If they had consistently written the Wraith as dangerously as they wrote them in Season 1, and threw in some character deaths to the show's main adversary (rather than to an exploding tumor... Yeah, that still makes me stop and go, "What?", death by nanite consumption/death by jumper crash/death by digital ascension/death by space gating/is she really dead???, or by suicidal delusion via Wraith enzyme), then it really would have intensified the conflict. Each time the Wraith would kill one of our people, it would have only fueled the adversarial flames all the more, IMHO...

    There have been WAY too many cast changes for my tastes over the past two seasons, and I can't say that I'd support more, especially that the show has been canned. I suspect that the Wraith problem will be dealt with in the first movie, thus tying up that storyline rather than banking on getting a second, third, forth, etc. movie to wrap it up. They could leave a few Wraith factions that could pop up in future movies though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackie View Post

    In all seriousness I would have to ask, why bother? The show has killed major characters off and never delt with the grief that should have followed. Daniel died and ascended and that was the closest tptb ever came to dealing with the impact of death and even that was half-ass.
    Frasier?
    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Bauer View Post
    Frasier?
    Yes, and then she was promptly forgotten after the episode of her death until season 9 when they needed a reason for Sam's absence in the first five episodes so said Cassie (Frasier's daughter who was also promptly forgotten) needed Sam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGLAB View Post
    Yes, and then she was promptly forgotten after the episode of her death until season 9 when they needed a reason for Sam's absence in the first five episodes so said Cassie (Frasier's daughter who was also promptly forgotten) needed Sam.
    Dedicating a solid two-parter to her death was sufficient. Do you want a series of depression? No. But the realism was shown quite well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lythisrose View Post
    Kill Bill
    Dr. Lee? Why? His not a regular character and his death would probably be funny and accepted by fans.
    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Bauer View Post
    Dr. Lee? Why? His not a regular character and his death would probably be funny and accepted by fans.
    Spoiler:



    Oh, I'd never want to kill Dr Lee....
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxbo View Post
    I wouldn't want to see more characters die either, especially when the only characters that are killed off are those that the writers no longer want to write for.
    Well, if that's the case, Teyla must be next in line.

    One of my favorite shows got rid of my favorite character not long ago, and although I was sad to see her go, I LOVED the way they did it. Plus the fact it impacted the next couple of seasons. Imagine that! We're lucky if it impacts the next episode with SGA.

    So I would have to say don't kill any more characters on SGA. It's pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Eyes View Post
    Well, if that's the case, Teyla must be next in line.

    One of my favorite shows got rid of my favorite character not long ago, and although I was sad to see her go, I LOVED the way they did it. Plus the fact it impacted the next couple of seasons. Imagine that! We're lucky if it impacts the next episode with SGA.

    So I would have to say don't kill any more characters on SGA. It's pointless.
    If you don't mind me asking... what show was that?
    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Bauer View Post
    Frasier?
    I forgot to list her, maybe because....

    Quote Originally Posted by SGLAB View Post
    Yes, and then she was promptly forgotten after the episode of her death until season 9 when they needed a reason for Sam's absence in the first five episodes so said Cassie (Frasier's daughter who was also promptly forgotten) needed Sam.

    exactly!


    MASH (the series) had a significant cast turn over as well. When tptb killed henry blake the show had number of eps where the cast had to grieve for henry and adjust to colonel potter. It was a smooth, believable transaction.

    Stargate skirts the issue by simply never bringing it up again till the script calls for it. Then simply state X amount of time had passed. I hated what they did to weir. No closure, no grieving, at least beckett got a funeral. Weir got absolutely nothing! Just a few scenes where teyla pack her things and Sheppard and talking to Rodney. Where Rodney compared it to beckett.

    Grieving and adjusting takes time and when a character dies it's just like having a real person dying to many fans. I know initially it sounds like a stretch but in reality people grow attached to characters the same way you grow attached to idols and celebrities. When the character is killed off and no longer spoke of and heard from again in the series, fans actually do go through a grieving processes. Not as serve as the grieving processes for losing a family member of friend but still an actually grieving process.

    Denial--the fan can't believe their fav character was killed off.
    Anger--for killing off their fav character
    sadness--become disheartened by the show (the most crucial time for the fan could lose interest in the show)
    finally acceptance--the end result will be either the fan accepts the loss and moves on either with the show or without the show.

    TPTB in stargate FAIL to recognize this process not only in their fandom but also in their characters that should ALSO go through it. Showing the affect of the death and transition to a new character helps with the healing processes for not only the characters of the show but the fans as well.

    Never kill off a character without addressing the healing process or your work will be degraded to nothing more than shock and awe values that are superficial only.
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    The Wraith became funny after the second season for me. They aren't really threat now! Oh maybe Todd lately, but now the situation with true enemy became hopeless -in this funny meanings. I respected the Wraith but what they do now with them is real comedy = everything!

    I doubt that killing someone important will improve *that* bad situation, and bring back the reputation Wraith used to have...

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