At this point, I don't care who said what. If it's not directly confirmed onscreen, there's a possibility for resurrection. And even if there is direct confirmation onscreen, this is the kind of show where it doesn't matter.
There's flashbacks, there's alternate realities, there's feats of science and the natural world that boggles the mind.
So no, I don't think Druitt is dead, and yes, I think they could bring him back, if Chris Heyerdahl was amenable and available.
And it might not be their style, given what happened to Ashley and Watson and all, but I like to think that in the four years since we were introduced to the Sanctuary verse, Helen has lost too many people for us to write Druitt off so easily. Especially since in my mind they are the OTP of the verse.
To me the big thing is that Amanda said he wasn't dead. She said we don't know what happened to him. I think John's disappearance in season 4 wasn't about plot but about CH's filming schedule for Hell on Wheels, because he had to have hair! So he could only show up as the Big Guy.
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Hello everyone! Long time no see/talk. I come bearing a wallie. Part of my Gothic Song Lyrics series.
I've been trying to get the idea for this one done for months and I finally got around to it. Text is from the song "What Have You Done?" by Within Temptation.
The song is a duet between two lovers.
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hey I was just watching the episode where John an Helen are in the carriage and he is thanking her for curing him, so he no longer feels like a freak of nature or a devil... I am confused... Did John had some other abnormality before the source blood? Because Helen never cured him from his bloodlust, so what is it he claims she has cured him from??
I'm not sure how much of that translates into how they spun the Source Blood twist in the TV series. And I'm not totally positive in this, but I also believe that historically, Montague John Druitt was predisposed to mental illness. His mother was institutionalized, and various family members had either committed or attempted suicide.
This shadow of hereditary insanity might have fed into what he said to Helen that night... I'll have to watch the TV episode again to make a more informed theory. Hope that helps for now though!
Thanks, selene, it does help! But watch the episode again, because I am still unclear... he talks as if he has an abnormality different than mental illness...
And, by the way, I am so disappointed they did not include in the episodes that "I will have my way with you" phrase that Helen says It sounds soo cute and playful and flirty.... I wonder if she was serious or just teasing....
And I also love the smile John has when she accepts his proposal and kisses him. It conveys his nerves, his happiness, and his joy all in one. Totally endearing.
I don't think it was ever revealed why she was seeing him as a patient. They did change what caused John to go "mad" from the webisodes to the TV series. As Selene stated it was the teleporting that made John go mad in the webisodes but in the series it was the energy creature. They did reuse an edited version of that scene from the webisodes instead of reshooting it hence why it doesn't all make sense.
JanSam It certainly doesn't all make sense.... which is a pity... But maybe we are just too used to get everything explained. After all, it doesn't matter so much why she was treating him but that she succeeded and they developed a unique bond...
I would love it if Druitt came back. But I think it would be a while before we saw him in the current timeline so everything Selene has mentioned is fair game.
I just finished watching "into the black" - the one where he supposedly Dies. Magnus does say "when this is over, I don't ever want to see you again" to him as they are walking. In fact, earlier on she says "we never worked" and broke my poor shipy heart.
Probably why I came here in the first place. What do you all make of that spiel?
But I also think that John was desperate-- both to have her back and to be rid of his parasitical passenger. Once he saw how much it upset her, I think he would have realized that he loved her more than he loved the idea of them, and how Adam is a lying sonuvagun and should have been killed outright. He would have done the right thing, as he did when Helen needed to follow Adam back in time.
So, yes, as far as Helen could see they would have never been able to be happy together long-term, and his continued presence was only doing them both harm. But I think her decision to tell him "I don't want to see you again" was a knee jerk reaction after Out of the Blue, and had the whole time travel thing never happened, I think she would have changed her mind.
But speaking of time travel, when Magnus trounced him in the alleyway in "Tempus" and told him to stay away from her, I do think she meant that. But remember, this Tempus-John was a very real threat (as evidenced by both his approach of her in the alleyway, and the scene she witnessed in the study). He was unstable and the Whitechapel murders were still relatively fresh.
Even so, you know that he must have returned at some point, as otherwise the past events we saw in Season 1 and 2 would not have happened as they had and the present Helen returned to would have been very different. But it wasn't, which means that Druitt still saved her from Tesla in Rome, still helped out in End of Nights, and so on and so forth.
So the ship is not officially ended in my books. Not by a long shot.
I think that's just Helen. She goes off. She's big with "I hate you and you suck" but I don't think it's her final answer.
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And she was indeed short with Watson, but to me it was less angry than defensive. She'd tried to put up barriers, and knew James' predilection for slicing right through them with that precision intellect of his. Her biting reaction was probably the only fall back she had, and knowing James, he probably realized that after having known her so long.
But the thing with James definitely feeds into her interaction with John in "Into the Black". Isolation is the only defense she feels she has, and distance is the only that could heal the kind of pain and uncertainty she felt after "Out of the Blue". It may be part of the alienation she feels after having lived so long, the events she's witnessed over the years. It may be part of the way she was raised. But either way, she does usually soften up.
Someone should really, really ask Amanda about this final scene between Helen and John... I am going crazy here about it....
And ok, she was mad, but why didn't she even mention him in season 4? You know... at least a word... He was one of the main characters and in season 4 he just doesn't exist. I know Chris did not have time to be Druit but at least the writers could have mentioned him somewhere in the script....
Personally, I think mentioning him at all would either be heartbreaking ("Why, yes, Will, John is very much dead.") or just a cruel teasing ("Where do you think Druitt ended up?" "I don't know, Will. He might very well be just around the corner...").
If they could have Druitt, I'm glad they handled it they way they did. Leaves things open for the future...
I love your optimistic thinking, selene
Yeah I agree they were trying to leave it open. I think they hoped that Chris would be back and didn't want to say something that would preclude it.
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wow..... this thread isn't dead.... I'm kinda shocked... and mildly relieved that people still care about Helen and john.....
(don't mind me I am still angry at the writers for how they FRAKKED OVER MAGNETT)