Keller's fighting skills compared to McKay's?

[Becky S.]

I'm bothered by the fact that two seasons ago (in "Vengence") we saw Ronon teaching Rodney to be a better fighter. Even if Ronon's method had ended up being too hard and Rodney hadn't stuck to the training very long, I would have assumed that either Teyla or John would have continued it.

Keller's defensive fighting was okay, she wasn't smooth and I kind of got the impression the wraith who was attacking her might have been 'playing' with her a bit. I also agree that the wraith was a young warrior in training.

[ykickamoocow]

We briefly got a scene in a season 3 episode of Ronon supposedly training McKay but personally i didnt think Ronon was a overally good teacher as all he was doing was hitting McKay very hard with a skick.

Personally i think it would have been nice to see Teyla teaching McKay how to stick fight as Teyla is a much more patient person and we would have been able to get some more McKay/Teyla scenes (which is something Atlantis has really lacked over 5 seasons).

[Opener]

Your point kind of makes mine: Ronon was only sticking to the basics, and i like to think that if he did the same with Keller(Ronon doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would change things because of a person's sex), she'd pick up a few things. An after watching Rodney in action and Keller in Missing, it seems to me that they'd both focus on what worked for them. With Rodney it was guns(suited to his logic about the universe), and Keller got more personal, as she had to do as a doctor.

Not to say she was any kind of martial arts master, just that she picked up a couple of basic moves, as Rodney picked up what needed to be done in the siutuation.

[Yaxez]

A real wraith would have crushed Keller, she's like 1.50 and weighs 45kg.

A bit unrealistic.

[FallenAngelII]

I say the Wraith she was fighting was just a spoiled rich kid who paid a few humans worth of food to engage in a little Runner Hunting.

[Infinite-Possibilities]

Yes, I agree seriously. That Wraith looked like he was horrible at fighting, especially fora Wraith. He looked briefly like he was swinging wildly. He also looked like he swung with little power, logically an average general wraith should be able to swat her down with roughly considerable ease. This one looked like he could only manage to push her around.

[g.o.d]

he was drunk

[Starsaber]

If hunting Runners is training or learning how they fight, I can understand not sending the best troops down. After all, if they defeat the Runner, they've proven their worth and learned a lot (and if they don't, you still haven't lost your best soldiers). I think the only reason the Super Wraith in Sateda fought Ronon is because Ronon embarrassed his soldiers and he wanted to prove himself superior.

[Shan Bruce Lee]

Its not like she actually did the good against the Wraith. As for doing better then McKay Keller is physically fit

And Keller actually took the time to learn from Ronon. Rodney has always shown a disinterest in learning to fight - at least from what we've seen of him in the sparring room and the way he's always talked down about the military, Ronon etc.

[Infinatus]

I say the Wraith she was fighting was just a spoiled rich kid who paid a few humans worth of food to engage in a little Runner Hunting.

[Sweetwaterspice]

Keller kicking Wraith butt *Yeah right* I really had a problem with that scene. There is just no way that was believable in the least! Now Teyla on the other hand is absolutely believable.

I think this scene with Keller was added just to shove the Ronon/Keller "love interest" down our throats! LOL! See fans, she can fight too! Wouldn't she just make a great match for Ronon? *throwing up*

I don't believe her being better fit than Rodney has anything to do with it. Many others better physically fit than jennifer have confronted the Wraith and lost their lives! This was just unbelievable!

I agree with the poster that said they should've given her a stun gun...now that is truly Kellerish

[Pandora's_Box]

Ok, seriously?! That 15 second ( if that) scene of Keller clumsliy parrying the Wraith's blows is what people are getting worked up about?

Kung Fu Keller? Hardly.

It was supposed to look clumsy and wrong and like a novice was doing it because she is a novice. One that is willing to learn and not be at the mercy of every Wraith coming her way, waiting for her Knight in Shining Armour to come and save her.

She really didn't do much beyond deflect a few blows and weave out of the way before Rodney shot the thing.

A willingness to learn self-defense is hardly yet another reason to hate Keller. Unless some would prefer her to just be saved by others all the time. Or is that bad too? I can't keep it straight any longer.

[maxbo]

Ok, seriously?! That 15 second ( if that) scene of Keller clumsliy parrying the Wraith's blows is what people are getting worked up about?

Kung Fu Keller? Hardly.

It was supposed to look clumsy and wrong and like a novice was doing it because she is a novice. One that is willing to learn and not be at the mercy of every Wraith coming her way, waiting for her Knight in Shining Armour to come and save her.

She really didn't do much beyond deflect a few blows and weave out of the way before Rodney shot the thing.

A willingness to learn self-defense is hardly yet another reason to hate Keller. Unless some would prefer her to just be saved by others all the time. Or is that bad too? I can't keep it straight any longer.

After reading the transcript, I agree that some have gotten too worked up about Keller's new skills. I appears that all she did was what anyone with basic training would do to protect herself.

So, no I don't see Kung-fu Keller... yet.

On the other hand...

Keller kicking Wraith butt *Yeah right* I really had a problem with that scene. There is just no way that was believable in the least! Now Teyla on the other hand is absolutely believable.

I think this scene with Keller was added just to shove the Ronon/Keller "love interest" down our throats! LOL! See fans, she can fight too! Wouldn't she just make a great match for Ronon? *throwing up*

I don't believe her being better fit than Rodney has anything to do with it. Many others better physically fit than jennifer have confronted the Wraith and lost their lives! This was just unbelievable!

I agree with the poster that said they should've given her a stun gun...now that is truly Kellerish

I agree that Keller's new skills were added to bolster the Ronon/Keller angle. It's so obvious that it's kind of amusing.

[Pandora's_Box]

I agree that Keller's new skills were added to bolster the Ronon/Keller angle. It's so obvious that it's kind of amusing.

How so? Because she took self-defense lessons from someone qualified to give them?

That's hardly ramming anything down anyone's throat.

Now if we had been forced to actually watch those scenes for the sole purpose of seeing the hot, sweaty, and dressed in skin tight clothing while enganged in acts that forced them to be in close proximity to one another, then yes. I may agree with you.

But that hasn't happened.

[Blencathra]

How so? Because she took self-defense lessons from someone qualified to give them?

That's hardly ramming anything down anyone's throat.

Now if we had been forced to actually watch those scenes for the sole purpose of seeing the hot, sweaty, and dressed in skin tight clothing while enganged in acts that forced them to be in close proximity to one another, then yes. I may agree with you.

But that hasn't happened.

Hmmmmmmm.........

[Cautious Explorer]

I'm certainly not one who would want to endure those training exercises with Ronon and Keller, but on the other hand, I hate those moments of "Hey audience, look at what's been going on off screen for months now that we're about to surprise you with *wink*" I hate that kind of writing. It's sloppy.

[fumblesmcstupid]

I understand that showing us every freaking thing these characters do would be time consuming and boring!

BUT, if it is going to be a part of an upcoming episode then there should be hints at it

Like "hey Keller ya want to watch a movie?"
"I would love to, but I am working out with Ronon"

and then Tracker shows up and "hey her working out with Ronon is helping"

and the romance part "ugh"

[Yaxez]

At another look she was just deflecting, barley avoiding his attacks. Still a big improvement from the previous Keller.

[maxbo]

How so? Because she took self-defense lessons from someone qualified to give them?

That's hardly ramming anything down anyone's throat.

Now if we had been forced to actually watch those scenes for the sole purpose of seeing the hot, sweaty, and dressed in skin tight clothing while enganged in acts that forced them to be in close proximity to one another, then yes. I may agree with you.

But that hasn't happened.

One moment while I say *thankyouthankyouthankyou* that we weren't subjected to actual training scenes. Perhaps TPTB were saving that for the 6th season that we'll never have.

Okay, back to your question - why do I see Keller's self defense lessons as an blatant Ronon/Keller attempt? Because I don't see Keller as someone Ronon would be attracted to and I see this new butt kicking Keller as an attempt to get those like me to see her as his type.

By implying that Ronon's been teaching her self-defense TPTB probably believe that they are showing us that they have something in common.

I'm certainly not one who would want to endure those training exercises with Ronon and Keller, but on the other hand, I hate those moments of "Hey audience, look at what's been going on off screen for months now that we're about to surprise you with *wink*" I hate that kind of writing. It's sloppy.

I know what you mean because although I wouldn't want to see the actual scenes, it would have been nice to see a scene or two where mandatory self-defense classes/lessons were mentioned throughout the series so that it's not such a *wtf* moment when you see an unlikely character showing self-defense moves.

[Constanza]

A real wraith would have crushed Keller, she's like 1.50 and weighs 45kg.
A bit unrealistic.

Totally unrealistic… in my opinion