Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[alyssa]

I don't think that John has slept with any of these 'alien princesses', but I think the thing that bugs me is the type of guy Sheppard is coming across as lately. He seems a bit like a teenage boy who wants to make out with all the pretty ladies. I was pretty upset that John made out with Teer because he seemed to not be interested in her at all. Then, one little conversation with her and they're kissing. The next woman was from The Tower and that one upset me more.

Spoiler:

The woman comes into his room and starts making out with him and he doesn't push her away. He recipricates. Of course, he eventually stops her, but still.

Now, I'm not saying he's an unprofessional guy, but when it comes to women, he certainly seems it. He can't just say no.

Maybe it's a case of writers living out their teenage fantasies through our favourite character (well, one of our two favourite characters!)
Joe's a charmer on screen. He does it well. They've seen that, they're using it. What they don't realise is that it doesn't come off well on a character who's close to 40! If he was early 20s, it may be more forgivable (though still not great behaviour!), but at this age, Shep should behave like a grownup!

[alyssa]

Hola! I've been lurking for years now and have only posted once or twice a long while back, but I've decided to come out into the sunlight just because I love this thread and the intelligent discussion I can always find here.

Forgot to say, welcome to our Sparky little corner of the world! I guess if you've been lurking you've seen the craziness that goes on here! (not all of it intelligent, but all amusing!)

[michelleb]

So I've only watched Epiphany once. I really have to watch it the next day because I'm so tired by the time it airs and it's only 8. Yes,

Spoiler:

Teer was dull. Sheppard seemed to find her dull too. Their kiss I found strange. I know for him he's been there for a while, but I didn't think they did a good job of making me feel like there was a lot of time lapse or that he and Teer spent much time together. Teer asks him to sit with her. He sits on the floor with her rather reluctantly I thought. They talk about her visions then it's time to kiss. Just odd. I liked the comment from Liz about his beard.

in epiphany

Spoiler:

i sort of got the feeling Teer almost emotionally blackmailed him into sleeping with her 'I've been waiting[ for you' implying she's been saving herself for him, and i got the feeling his reaction was as much out of feeling sorry for her as lust. he makes this big speech later on about the things they've never experienced and never will experience before they die, and he wanted to give her that experience.i do like her for being the only one to stand up with him against the beast though. and to be fair, if i lived in that village of wimps, and John Sheppard appeared one day, I'd do my darndest to seduce him too.....

But it was good at the end. I love the beard comment. I love the way, when the beast came John walked to Elizabeth's side, then past her, as if to make sure she's behind him (okay, i may be stretching the shipspotting a leeetle bit there). and him saying 'that's the first thing to go' as if he couldn't wait to put the entire experience behind him, and he was making sure to tell elizabeth that.

and finally, there was Elizabeth, literally throwing herself into the unknown to get her man and not letting anyone stand in her way. i loved that. i'd like to see her do more of that

so, while i didn't do the full on Happy Sparky Shipper Dance, I did have a few Sparky Smirks to myself for this one!

[macktheknife]

Well, he was trapped there for months, so that's a pretty long time.

[michelleb]

Perhaps it's time for an AU John or Elizabeth to pop up, and of course they are a couple in their own universe, and madly, head over heels in love with each other, and can't understand why ourJohn and Elizabeth aren't together, and it can be the cue for a really good proper John/Elizabeth kiss...like for example, AU John comes tumbling out of the gate, sees Elizabeth, grabs her and gives her the snog of her life before realising it's the wrong universe, spends the rest of the episode gazing at her adoringly, sparking jealousy in our John (ha! sparking! did you see what I did there?) and talking longingly about how he wants to get back to his adored and worshipped Elizabeth.


Hey, it worked for sam and jack!

[michelleb]

Nice. Love your take on Rodney!

Thank you, and thanks for all the feedback, guys! I do think Rodney does have a crush on Elizabeth, and so does Caldwell, but I don't think that matters. I think the really important thing is that Elizabeth only has eyes for John!

Mind you, I reckon John knows about the crushes. That's why he goes out of his way to wind Caldwell up everytime Elizabeth is around. I don't think he minds about Rodney, cos he doesn't see Rodney as a threat (poor little Rodders) but Caldwell is a big tough muscular space ship commander. I'm not saying John wins Caldwell up deliberately to take Elizabeth's attention away from him, but I think subconsciously that's what he doing.

Looks like I'm in for a John/Elizabeth obssessive weekend, I can't seem to stop thinking about them right now.

[michelleb]

Found some good song lyrics..It's from Song andDance by Andrew Lloyd Webber, and the lyrics are by Don Black, and they seem to fit. I reckon this would make really good music video (hint hint) though I'd suggest the Denise Van Outen version (yes really, she's a fantastic singer, and it's totally heartbreaking) and not the Bernadette Peters one

I have never felt like this
For once I'm lost for words
Your smile has really thrown me
This is not like me at all
I never thought I'd know
The kind of love you've shown me

Now, no matter where I am
No matter what I do
I see your face appearing
Like an unexpected song
An unexpected song
That only we are hearing

I don't know what is going on
Can't work it out at all
Whatever made you choose me
I just can't believe my eyes
You look at me as though
You couldn't bear to lose me

Now, no matter where I am
No matter what I do
I see your face appearing
Like an unexpected song
An unexpected song
That only we are hearing

I have never felt like this
For once I'm lost for words
Your smile has really thrown me
This is not like me at all
I never thought I'd know
The kind of love you've shown me

Now, no matter where I am
No matter what I do
I see your face appearing
Like an unexpected song
An unexpected song
That only we are hearing

Like an unexpected song
An unexpected song
That only we are hearing

[Vicky]

Perhaps it's time for an AU John or Elizabeth to pop up, and of course they are a couple in their own universe, and madly, head over heels in love with each other, and can't understand why ourJohn and Elizabeth aren't together, and it can be the cue for a really good proper John/Elizabeth kiss...like for example, AU John comes tumbling out of the gate, sees Elizabeth, grabs her and gives her the snog of her life before realising it's the wrong universe, spends the rest of the episode gazing at her adoringly, sparking jealousy in our John (ha! sparking! did you see what I did there?) and talking longingly about how he wants to get back to his adored and worshipped Elizabeth.


Hey, it worked for sam and jack!

I love your idea!

[michelleb]

So, if we assume that John does love Elizabeth and that he knows it (cos he may not. People can be dumb about this sort of thing) when do you think he first knew? hen he knew he didn't just like and respect her, and it wasn't just mindless flirting, it was actually love? I think it was the hug,obviusly, although I think he had a very good idea in Hot Zone, when he called her Elizabeth. What do you think?

[Lexa Jayde]

Hi everyone... *waves*

just popping in before bed!!!! sweet shippy dreams everyone!!!!

[michelleb]

I'm beginning to feel very alone on here <looks round empty, echoing forum>. I think I'll watch some SGA and pop back later. Hot Zone. And all three Seiges. And Conversion Anf anything else even vaguely shippy

[LurkerLa]

WELCOME RORY!!

There is an Elizabeth in John's t-shirt fic out there, but I can't for the life of me remember what it's called.

Might this be the one?

A Perfect Fit

And Finnstardust's clothing fic is

The Color Challenge.

[Erised]

Welcome, Rory!!! Don't kill me but you remind me of Rory from Gilmore Girls.

And saw this quote regarding "Epiphany"

Brad also added that he wished he could have explored Sheppard’s backstory more in this episode, but he promises (promises!) to reveal more in season 3.

All I'm saying is Brad better not break his promises, because broken promises are bad

Oh I hope they don't screw up this time! About time we got a backstory for him. Mitchell got it half way through season 1! And I respect him more already. I don't know much about Sheppard and respect him only because of sparky and because he's a hero who risks his life and all......

So, if we assume that John does love Elizabeth and that he knows it (cos he may not. People can be dumb about this sort of thing) when do you think he first knew? hen he knew he didn't just like and respect her, and it wasn't just mindless flirting, it was actually love? I think it was the hug,obviusly, although I think he had a very good idea in Hot Zone, when he called her Elizabeth. What do you think?

You mean in Hot Zone when he radioed her and she didn't answer righj away? Yea maybe. Why else would she not answer? And also the
"I need you to trust me"
"..I do.."
"Do you?"
made me jump off my chair. It was just so sparky. When she aksed him to trust her, it's like she was thinking how much it hurt her loving heart not just because he desobeyed her orders and yelled at her (). Poor Lizzie.

I don't know how dumb you can be not to realize that the person has feelings for you if they hugged you like that! THe only explanation to why they haven't found a closet yet is because either John is in denial and think that Lizzie hugged him just because he saved Atlantis and can't think of a reason why a woman like Elizabeth Weir would love a guy like him. Perhaps he has never been loved by a woman, only liked.. you know what I mean?
Of course, he also knows that there could never be anything between him and Lizzie because they are the leaders of Atlantis and if they get into a relationship, some day it will backfire and jeopardize the mission. But somehow, I don't think John would think like that It's like what Elizabeth would feel like. Otherwise, the closets would have been taken by now

[michelleb]

I don't know how dumb you can be not to realize that the person has feelings for you if they hugged you like that! THe only explanation to why they haven't found a closet yet is because either John is in denial and think that Lizzie hugged him just because he saved Atlantis and can't think of a reason why a woman like Elizabeth Weir would love a guy like him. Perhaps he has never been loved by a woman, only liked.. you know what I mean?

i know exactly what u mean, tho he's so lovable i fail to see how any woman could not love him, although maybe he's only lovable cos of elizabeth. she brings out the best in him. but i think he has a lot of respect for elizabeth, and i bet shes totally unlike any woman he's ever been close to. i bet all his girlfriends have been a bit like teyla..pretty, very pretty, and obviously sexy, but not really his type. maybe he's never been really in love before, and he just doesn't know to handle it. and he can't beleive that someone as wonderful as elizabeth (and he does think she's wonderful, you can see it in the way he gets annoyed when other people, especially passing military commanders, disrespect her) would ever love someone like him.

[Dorka]

I'm late I know...but I have to sleep sometimes and go shopping *Lol*...

So *squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee* we hit 1000 pages and 20'000 Posts

[Erised]

I'm late I know...but I have to sleep sometimes and go shopping *Lol*...

So *squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee* we hit 1000 pages and 20'000 Posts

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...P208_027BA.jpg

very awesome as usual, Dorka!

[Bama]

Well...I might as well chime in with my 'American' opinion on the ep from last night.

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Let me just say that this ep was, imo, very close to being one big ol' complete fat DUD. The whole plot with the cheezily dressed and boring village people has been done and done again and it gets to be more of a snoozefest each time. Throwing John in amongst the snoozegrabbers just did nothing for me. The 'Peh, Bleh and Geh' triplets were abundant in my living room at various times last night. That monster was beyond BAD -and not 'bad' in a good way- and made the garbage monster from the XFiles ep 'Arcadia' look good. And it was quite possibly the worst XF 'monster' ever. But, like arcadia, it was the passable subplot that saved the bad monster story. BTW, if I haven't said that hate all this 'ascended' crap, then count me in that corner. John acts about as interested in it as a man watching a quilting bee.

A couple of things I did like about the ep was how they involved so many. I like how beckett and especially elizabeth get their rumps in gear and get off-world in this one and mix it up. I liked how Elizabeth was like a dog with a bone when it came to getting John back. Of course, she'd have went to the effort to get any of them back but I doubt she'd have been quite as adamant about being a part of things as she was with John missing. But that's just my interpretation and not a fact.

John looked remarkably *bored* with the entire medival village set-up and imo, never was stimulated in any real way by any of those folks-including Teer. That girl bored me beyond misery btw. But I digress. John's showed more emotion when he jumped animatedly from the table upon hearing his friends had come than he did the rest of the episode put together. He was more than glad to be dumping that bunch and I don't blame him.

I actually liked his reaction when Elizabeth ran over toward him and how he snapped at her. He was angry! And that anger stemmed of course from his believe that Elizabeth-and the rest of his friends-would leave him. I liked that sense and worry of betrayal from him and wish we'd see it elaborated on in a later episode.

There was something else I noticed that I'm not sure I cared for. There was intentional framing of Teer and John's parting -which was beyond lame imo too- with Teyla standing in the background as the 'reaction' shot. Of course, I'd probably be more concerned had Teyla actually given any reaction at all to Teer's obvious smoozing with John. She looked stoic and bored. I actually thought the earlier background reaction shot of Elizabeth when Teer first began talking showed much more curiosity. She actually looked interested in who Teer was and what she was saying to John. I just thought it interesting that we got reaction shots regarding John/Teer from first Elizabeth and then a bit longer one from Teyla.

All in all, it was, imo one of the weaker eps this season if not the weakest. The big plot was really dull, the guest characters were dull and the regular cast just looked bored most of the time with the mostly lame material. The few zippy one liners from Rodney and Ronon, the visual of Elizabeth off world doing her thing and the little bit of light flirting from sparky weren't even enough to save this one imo.

Note to the writer: Keep John on Atlantis and keep him interacting with the really interesting other characters if you can't beat that in off-world 'activity'. Honestly, I'd rather have watched the crew practicing drills or something.

[Bama]

He was throwing things around the cave, and kept repeating about no one looking for him. My husband even blurted out "What a jerk!" once, and later, "What a spoiled brat.".

Have to admit that neither me or the husband particularly cared for shep's behavior in this ep either. He just seemed...'off'. Just not a well crafted or well written episode.

Spoiler:

And you're right about the whole 'teer' plot. To sleep with her-if indeed he did-just seemed wrong in a very fundamental way. He didn't even act truly interested in her or her people nor did he act liked he liked her as a person too much.

Such makes John look cheaper and I don't like that - at all.

[Suzotchka]

Was at the supermarket this morning and I bought the LOST TV Guide (W/ the Atlantis cards in them). Now, on the back of Teyla's card it says under 'ally': "Lt. Col. Sheppard, who keeps an eye on her. Sometimes two."

OH PLEASE! I am so SICK of hearing stuff like this. You know what? His eyes may be on Teyla, but his heart belongs to Elizabeth!

edit: I have an extra TV Guide that has the Elizabeth Weir card in it. If anyone wants it, PM me.

[Finnstardust]

See, this is why we like Newbies so much! Always great observations we've missed. The idea of Elizabeth in John's shirt (okay, so the shirt's probably too small to be his, but the idea is cute!!)
There is an Elizabeth in John's t-shirt fic out there, but I can't for the life of me remember what it's called.
Another clothing fic that's cute, by our very own FinnStarDust (who needs to drop by more often! Stop studying so hard and come and play!!)
http://www.sheppardweir.com/fanfics/...ry.php?sid=446

I'm happy you think I study so hard LOL! I don't really...I lurk here a lot, just can't very often gather the mental energy required to formulate a proper post...

Glad you liked the fic!