Asgard Hyperdrive v.s. Ancient Hyperdrive..

[Kebab Gud]

Given that there are now TWO! threads that have been hijacked about this..
Lets gather it into just ONE! thread..

My case...
Asgard Hyperdrive has proven to be able to go from The Milkyway to Pegasus in 4 days (304 With ZPM and O'Neill-Class, Pre-"Unending") While we have NEVER seen or heard anything about the speed of a "Ancient Galactic-Hyperdrive", but we do know that the Aurora Class ships where only fitted with Hyperdrives that could not travel the void ("Aurora")

[Mister Oragahn]

As a whole, Asgard hyperdrives have been the fastest ever seen.

Even Atlantis is slow in comparison.

[Gmandex]

Given that there are now TWO! threads that have been hijacked about this..
Lets gather it into just ONE! thread..

My case...
Asgard Hyperdrive has proven to be able to go from The Milkyway to Pegasus in 4 days (304 With ZPM and O'Neill-Class, Pre-"Unending") While we have NEVER seen or heard anything about the speed of a "Ancient Galactic-Hyperdrive", but we do know that the Aurora Class ships where only fitted with Hyperdrives that could not travel the void ("Aurora")

I would probably have to go with the Asgard hyperdrive system because they have been around just as long but had help like with the Ancient Database.

[Guest750]

I would probably have to go with the Asgard hyperdrive system because they have been around just as long but had help like with the Ancient Database.

Who wrote the Ancient Database?

[NoobTau'ri]

As a whole, Asgard hyperdrives have been the fastest ever seen.

Even Atlantis is slow in comparison.

Got to disagree, chichi. While the average Asgard hyperdrive is superior to the Ancients', there is no evidence for you to contend that Atlantis stardrive is slower. Sam Carter actually mentioned that Atlantis should beat the Apollo.

And this does not mean that the Asgard were as advanced or more than the Ancients. The Asgard were like the Japanese and the Ancients were like the Americans. The Japanese could never make something like the Mars Rover and take pictures of Mars, or even make a Boeing 747, but they can make less complex technologies, like cars and TVs, better than Americans.

Likewise, the Asgard were scientifically inferior to the Ancients and could enver make something like the Dakara Superweapon or Project Arcturus, but they could make less complex technologies, like hyperdrives and beam weaponry, with superior quality than the Ancients. Making super-fast hypderdrives is a pathetic achievement compared to the many hyper-advanced devices created by the Ancients, that seem more like magic than anything.

[s09119]

As a whole, Asgard hyperdrives have been the fastest ever seen.

Even Atlantis is slow in comparison.

You and I are clashing alot lately... haha.

We saw the Asgard travel in terms of seconds once, and ever since then it's taken them hours, days, and weeks like everyone else. Atlantis' hyperdrive is quite fast, too, and it's faster than the Apollo, according to Samantha Carter.

[NoobTau'ri]

and it's faster than the Apollo, according to Samantha Carter.

Oh yes, the Apollo. I am always confusing these ships. Regardless, this doesen't invalidate my point whatsoever.

[mago1978]

You and I are clashing alot lately... haha.

We saw the Asgard travel in terms of seconds once, and ever since then it's taken them hours, days, and weeks like everyone else. Atlantis' hyperdrive is quite fast, too, and it's faster than the Apollo, according to Samantha Carter.

You should've said, "It is faster than the Apollo without a ZPM powering up the hyperdrive."

[s09119]

You should've said, "It is faster than the Apollo without a ZPM powering up the hyperdrive."

Why? We don't know that for sure, do we?

[Kebab Gud]

You and I are clashing alot lately... haha.

We saw the Asgard travel in terms of seconds once, and ever since then it's taken them hours, days, and weeks like everyone else. Atlantis' hyperdrive is quite fast, too, and it's faster than the Apollo, according to Samantha Carter.

that was within the milkyway..

Atlantis was supposed to beat Apollo to the new planet yes..
BUT!
Atlantis had a ZPM, Apollo was damaged and only running on Naquada Generators..
if the Apollo has a ZPM its Dam clear it would have beaten Atlantis to the planet with HOURS to spare..

[Kebab Gud]

Why? We don't know that for sure, do we?

Deaddy used 4 days with the OLD hyperdrive from Earth to Lantea with a ZPM..
given how Close New Lantea was to Lantea it would have used what.. a minute with a ZPM..

(Apollo at the time had the Old Hyperdrive.. and there is NO WAY! atlantis could have used less the 4 days between Earth and Lantea.. if so.. then what was so special about moving there? when they could have taken the city home again in 4 days.. )

[Dev Corvin]

You're forgetting several really important points.

a) Atlantis is MASSIVE. Not just physically large, like a Wraith Hive Ship, but incredibly heavy as well.
b) Atlantis' stardrive is meant to be powered by THREE ZPMs, not one. It's been stated previously that the power drain when using only a single ZPM to power the stardrive is MUCH more than when using three in parallel, and therefore the stardrive would run far less efficiently.
c) The Atlantis stardrive is not a typical intergalactic hyperdrive engine. It's designed to move an object with immense mass and size smoothly through hyperspace for a sort of "cruise" travel, capable of crossing the void between galaxies at a reasonable rate. Asgard hyperdrives, on the other hand, are designed to move comparitively small ships through space as quickly as possible. It's quite possible that Lantean Intergalactic hyperdrives (fitted to certain Aurora class vessels) would be capable of travelling MUCH faster than Asgard hyperdrives, as we've seen that Lantean technology is capable of utilizing available power at far greater levels than comparable Asgard systems (shields and weapons, for example).

[s09119]

that was within the milkyway..

Atlantis was supposed to beat Apollo to the new planet yes..
BUT!
Atlantis had a ZPM, Apollo was damaged and only running on Naquada Generators..
if the Apollo has a ZPM its Dam clear it would have beaten Atlantis to the planet with HOURS to spare..

So what if it was inside the Milky Way? It should be even faster then, no? I don't see your point. And the Apollo was running on its optimum power source, whatever it is. Let's not forget, Atlantis was heavily damaged, too.

Deaddy used 4 days with the OLD hyperdrive from Earth to Lantea with a ZPM..
given how Close New Lantea was to Lantea it would have used what.. a minute with a ZPM..

(Apollo at the time had the Old Hyperdrive.. and there is NO WAY! atlantis could have used less the 4 days between Earth and Lantea.. if so.. then what was so special about moving there? when they could have taken the city home again in 4 days.. )

Why would they take it home? They didn't want to take it to Earth, they wanted to take it to their new planet so they could keep fighting the Wraith...

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So what if it was inside the Milky Way? It should be even faster then, no? I don't see your point

The reason Thors hip made it to earth in the blink of an eye was becuase it was close to earth to begin with.. the X-303 didn't get far on an untested Goa'uld Hyperdrive.. . [/quote]And the Apollo was running on its optimum power source, whatever it is. Let's not forget, Atlantis was heavily damaged, too.
[/quote] and thats why it fell out of hyperspace..
the 304's can run their Hyperspace engines at Full power with a ZPM.. they CANT with their in house power plant.. that alone suggest that the hyperdrive is designed to use A LOT more power.. like the 4 NIG's on a Belisker-class..
So yes.. the Apollo was running at full speed (maybe) of what it could do without a ZPM.. thats not the question.. the question is.. Is a Asgard Hyperdrive faster then an Ancient Hyperdrive.. and given the EMENCE! speeds we have seen from the Asgard and the SLOW speeds we have seen from the Ancients.. i say Asgard..

The Ancients have NEVER shows to be in a hurry to get anywhere

Why would they take it home? They didn't want to take it to Earth, they wanted to take it to their new planet so they could keep fighting the Wraith...

Nope they left earth LONG before they accidentally helped create the Wraith..

Lantean Commander: We are going to Pegasus.. Good by forever!
Lantean Guy: But don't worry.. if you need us we will have Atlantis back in 4 days!
Lantean Commander: Hush! you are ruining the moment!!

just wrong...

[Kebab Gud]

You're forgetting several really important points.

a) Atlantis is MASSIVE. Not just physically large, like a Wraith Hive Ship, but incredibly heavy as well.

Weight in Space is.. ... get it?

c) The Atlantis stardrive is not a typical intergalactic hyperdrive engine.

I'm almost positive that the Stardrive is the Sublight drive and not the Hypoerdrive..
Given that no other Ship uses its Hyperdrive engine to take off from a planet and fly at Sublight.... that is other then the Orion