What can beat the Andromeda Ascendant?

[Cap.Dylan Hunt]

Now that im back. We never said that Andromeda can exceed the speed of light. But its weapons can come close. And as Tom stated. Andromeda uses its AG fields to reduce its mass. Which inturn lets it move the way it does. Which is another reason that your BC-304 would never stand a chance against Andromeda.

[Cap.Dylan Hunt]

Lol, maybe that's why he asked it in the first place? So what's with the insults?

No. He said that The World Ship and The Wrath of Archilles were not Andromeda Ships.

[thekillman]

my point was: i know some stuff about it. but i didnt know these two were from andromeda. i thought the idea of the topic was to find ships outside the andromedaverse that can beat the damn ship. but if nothing in stargate can defeat it[even though tossing a gate inside a sun when the andromeda is too close would do the trick, or the asuran sattelite, and the replicators would SURELY destroy it [milkyway ones ofcourse] using their massive knowledge, they would simply hack andromeda. or use some of their replicator missiles, who could easily destroy andromeda.

its just that the whole andromeda thing is like
"this is a ship, its nearly invincible as you cant hit it due to amazing evasion powers and its awesome missiles"
it runs out of missiles eventually. period. those gigatons. the deadalus' shields can take some 600-700 GT. missiles can be shot down. relativistic or not. use a particle weapon[which earth has]or some lazer, and its down. it has no shields. fire all the deadalus' missiles in a grid round it and detonate, and its gone. the nukes blinds it, radiation does damage. a few gatebusters, and it cannot stand up to it. yes, asgard beaming jammer works on an EM frequency. but even though andromeda jams alot of EM frequencies, there's a chance it doesnt jam the beaming tech.


personally, i think the andromeda[vessel] is stupid. if only two ships from its universe can defeat it, its defo fanwank. the oddy can be defeated by many ships. it hasnt, because of circumstances. AOT had a highly enhanced shield cause it was dead in the water, and the replis, seeing their nature, most likely used all asgard knowledge to enhance them far enough to withstand it properly

[PeteJ]

No. He said that The World Ship and The Wrath of Archilles were not Andromeda Ships.

No he didn't, read my post from the previous page.

^^As thekillman said.

[thekillman]

and dylan you moron. i said the first post and this entire thread didnt state that they were andromean ships. thats why i asked it. you are a moron, only wanting to insult someone. if you werent so stupid, you wouldve known what i asked. and i edited the message, but you only read the original, which was a vague one, thats why i edited it!

[Cap.Dylan Hunt]

my point was: i know some stuff about it. but i didnt know these two were from andromeda. i thought the idea of the topic was to find ships outside the andromedaverse that can beat the damn ship. but if nothing in stargate can defeat it[even though tossing a gate inside a sun when the andromeda is too close would do the trick, or the asuran sattelite, and the replicators would SURELY destroy it [milkyway ones ofcourse] using their massive knowledge, they would simply hack andromeda. or use some of their replicator missiles, who could easily destroy andromeda.

its just that the whole andromeda thing is like
"this is a ship, its nearly invincible as you cant hit it due to amazing evasion powers and its awesome missiles"
it runs out of missiles eventually. period. those gigatons. the deadalus' shields can take some 600-700 GT. missiles can be shot down. relativistic or not. use a particle weapon[which earth has]or some lazer, and its down. it has no shields. fire all the deadalus' missiles in a grid round it and detonate, and its gone. the nukes blinds it, radiation does damage. a few gatebusters, and it cannot stand up to it. yes, asgard beaming jammer works on an EM frequency. but even though andromeda jams alot of EM frequencies, there's a chance it doesnt jam the beaming tech.


personally, i think the andromeda[vessel] is stupid. if only two ships from its universe can defeat it, its defo fanwank. the oddy can be defeated by many ships. it hasnt, because of circumstances. AOT had a highly enhanced shield cause it was dead in the water, and the replis, seeing their nature, most likely used all asgard knowledge to enhance them far enough to withstand it properly

The show was based on the ship ANDROMEDA. Thats why the show was named Andromeda. And thats also why only two ships in the show could destroy it. One of them being a High Gaurd Ship its self.

and dylan you moron. i said the first post and this entire thread didnt state that they were andromean ships. thats why i asked it. you are a moron, only wanting to insult someone. if you werent so stupid, you wouldve known what i asked. and i edited the message, but you only read the original, which was a vague one, thats why i edited it!

Really. The best you can come up with is a moron. Wow. That phases me alot. Maybe you should reavaluate that. Honestly. You are trying to find anything from stargate to destroy it. Now i love Stargate too. But your gate into sun idea is about the only thing that would work, but its not a ship so it doesnt count in this thread.

[Ripple in Space]

1.) Odyssey with a Full ZPM with the Original SG-1, Major Marks operating it and Thor maintaining the Asgard systems. Horizon Platform-equipped.

Asgard Beam Cannons shred everything from shields to organic hulls. Horizon Platform is essentially a "Planet Buster." Rail Guns, Mk. 9 Nukes aren't too shabby either.


2.) Upgraded Voyager - its essentially a one-ship war-machine.


3.) Dark Willow

[Cap.Dylan Hunt]

1.) Odyssey with a Full ZPM with the Original SG-1, Major Marks operating it and Thor maintaining the Asgard systems. Horizon Platform-equipped.

Asgard Beam Cannons shred everything from shields to organic hulls. Horizon Platform is essentially a "Planet Buster." Rail Guns, Mk. 9 Nukes aren't too shabby either.


2.) Upgraded Voyager - its essentially a one-ship war-machine.


3.) Dark Willow

We have already ruled out the asgard beams. And a ZPM powered BC-304 wouldnt make that much of diffrence. You could have 10 ZPM's, but if you cant hit your target, then what good is it.

[thekillman]

andromeda:

has missiles. well at the firespeed you stated, deadalus withstands some 6-7 strikes. you can say it has alot of missile tubes. but deadalus has about the same. relativistic missiles. well they are missiles. they can be shot down. or we just fire a nuke and detonate it in time. with our nukes, thats no problem.

has PD lasers. lasers yea. but they cut. lasers cut. thats what their meant for. these PDL's, however, were said by an andromeda fan, to deactivate missiles by blinding them. tauri missiles run off the ships sensors, so no use. they are lasers, they have no use against shields.

has an AI. well AI's are only so smart.



now oddyssey:
Has A computercore. asgard legacy. so it can fashion some particle weapon to take out andromeda. or a superlaser. defo would take out andromeda. or other weapons and technology. controls the ship for maximum efficiency.

has beam weapons. well you can tell me alot, but we dont know their speed, yet seeing their damage, it can easily be relativistic. even when not, it can fire enough, combined with nukes, to take out andromeda. it cant outmaneuver forever. the beam weapons are a onehitkill on the andromeda, so its only for so long before on hits. just a matter of time.

dialation field. it can throw a dialation field around it and andromeda, so both are in a single confined space. who's your daddy?

Hyperdrive: it can keep up with andromeda.

ZPM. need i say more? incase of yes, well no underpowering of a 304. need i say more?
yes? well it can turn the ship into a stationary superfortress. all it needs to do is live through the initial missille barrage. missiles down, main andromeda missiles down, tadaa, move in to finish off.


asgard beam weapons. twice? yea twice. they are the original ones, so most efficient. faster[being more coherent], and deadlier.

nukes. well we had 1200 MT mines. so they are powerfull aswell.

missiles. well they carry nukes. so..... PDs scrambling targeting wont work: they run off oddys sensors

sensors: some of the most advanced. so andromeda is detected.

cloak: based off ancient, ascended, and ori knowledge. made by priordaniel/descended merlin. need i say more? yes? well andromeda wont detect it. cloaks fast enough on arrival to render the inital long range attack useless. railguns can be fired[ It was stated PLASMA WEAPONS wont work. nothing bout railguns]

Railguns. an anti-missile defender's dream. also used offensively.

shields. can be impenetrable when in superfortress mode. or just supertough when moving. terribly advanced. can take OVER 7 barrages of andromean missiles. in fortress mode, about 20 or more.

302's. space/air superiority fighter. or just a weapons delivery system if you need to.



so when it comes to ships, oddy STANDS A CHANCE. ofcourse there's no pwnage from both sides. the only thing that determines the outcome is an unsureness factor of unknown value.

[Forthestars]

How about fast and highly maneuverable ships like the Jem Hadar Fighters with breen energy dampening weapon, phased polaron beams and torpedoes. They seem to be fast enough to dodge phaser blast at .99c or 1c, so why could that not take on Andromeda. Star Trek vessels like the Jem Hadar fighter or the federation Defiant class, and Species 8472 have high maneuverability and weapon systems that are very good. Star Trek is basically Andromeda's cousin series. Same creator, different universes with similar utopian undertones before the fall.

Now, Stargate universe vessels have a problem other than the fighter craft; most ships are focused on capital ship design and combat. They are not maneuverable, so that is a weakness.

Battlestar galactica can take the hits, but it might not be able to maneuver will enough even with fighter wings to take on andromeda.

The other universe have varying degree of weapons and ships. I actually think Babylon 5 ship would fare very well against Andromeda; especially, Vorlon, Shadow, and White star type vessels. Fast, high powered weapons, and interesting strengths. White stars have the same advantage of andromeda AI intelligence in that they are bio-engineered ships that can learn from battle and make it more efficient each time.

[thekillman]

well unlike you dylan, i am not someone who goes flaming someone to death because i misinterpretated something. about what you said, you cant misinterpretate that. and yes, a moron, because im not flame-happy and insult-happy like you. get over yourself. period. now get yourself together and re-read that one post. yes i admit i dont watch it, and this very discussion about andromeda only makes me less eager to watch it. it would be a "andromeda whumps and kills everything". its the stargate forum. if only something from andromeda can kill it, go away and go discuss it in the andromeda forums. if you hate sg-fans knowing nothing of the andromedaverse, then why the hell is this thread in the S&T forum on gateworld, and why not in the andromeda section. and if there's none, request one and bug off to general discussion or some other place, as it wont belong here. all the assumptions on railguns and beam weapons are made on some observations. but i[and perhaps you] know that the reason cgi is shown as it is shown, is because its boring to have some flashes at one ship, and an explosion at annother ship, and you have to guess what hit it.
"a railgun. no a beam weapon. oh it was a pulse weapon. damn. and that. whats that? a nuke? or a beam weapon. who fires at who???"

and slomo wont work either.

"sssssssssssssssssiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr wwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeee aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeee hhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttt.
ssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllll llllllllldddddddddddddddsssssssss dddddddddddddooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn ttttttttoooooooooo 8888888888880000000000000000 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%"

like i said, visual effect.

also, the gate can be tossed in by a ship. duh.
a deadalus craft is never standard equipped, and alway modded to fit a mission. if the mission is "take out the andromeda" then the core is instructed to make lasers and particle weapons

[Cap.Dylan Hunt]

andromeda:

has missiles. well at the firespeed you stated, deadalus withstands some 6-7 strikes. you can say it has alot of missile tubes. but deadalus has about the same. relativistic missiles. well they are missiles. they can be shot down. or we just fire a nuke and detonate it in time. with our nukes, thats no problem.

has PD lasers. lasers yea. but they cut. lasers cut. thats what their meant for. these PDL's, however, were said by an andromeda fan, to deactivate missiles by blinding them. tauri missiles run off the ships sensors, so no use. they are lasers, they have no use against shields.

has an AI. well AI's are only so smart.


now oddyssey:
Has A computercore. asgard legacy. so it can fashion some particle weapon to take out andromeda. or a superlaser. defo would take out andromeda. or other weapons and technology. controls the ship for maximum efficiency.

has beam weapons. well you can tell me alot, but we dont know their speed, yet seeing their damage, it can easily be relativistic. even when not, it can fire enough, combined with nukes, to take out andromeda. it cant outmaneuver forever. the beam weapons are a onehitkill on the andromeda, so its only for so long before on hits. just a matter of time.

dialation field. it can throw a dialation field around it and andromeda, so both are in a single confined space. who's your daddy?

Hyperdrive: it can keep up with andromeda.

ZPM. need i say more? incase of yes, well no underpowering of a 304. need i say more?
yes? well it can turn the ship into a stationary superfortress. all it needs to do is live through the initial missille barrage. missiles down, main andromeda missiles down, tadaa, move in to finish off.


asgard beam weapons. twice? yea twice. they are the original ones, so most efficient. faster[being more coherent], and deadlier.

nukes. well we had 1200 MT mines. so they are powerfull aswell.

missiles. well they carry nukes. so..... PDs scrambling targeting wont work: they run off oddys sensors

sensors: some of the most advanced. so andromeda is detected.

cloak: based off ancient, ascended, and ori knowledge. made by priordaniel/descended merlin. need i say more? yes? well andromeda wont detect it. cloaks fast enough on arrival to render the inital long range attack useless. railguns can be fired[ It was stated PLASMA WEAPONS wont work. nothing bout railguns]

Railguns. an anti-missile defender's dream. also used offensively.

shields. can be impenetrable when in superfortress mode. or just supertough when moving. terribly advanced. can take OVER 7 barrages of andromean missiles. in fortress mode, about 20 or more.

302's. space/air superiority fighter. or just a weapons delivery system if you need to.



so when it comes to ships, oddy STANDS A CHANCE. ofcourse there's no pwnage from both sides. the only thing that determines the outcome is an unsureness factor of unknown value.

First of. The PDLs do not disable a missle. They destroy it before it gets to the ship.
Second- Your 302's would be in for more of a Match with Andromeda Slip Fighters.
Third-

Has A computercore. asgard legacy. so it can fashion some particle weapon to take out andromeda. or a superlaser. defo would take out andromeda. or other weapons and technology. controls the ship for maximum efficiency

Yea a computer core. Wow. Can it think on its own. Can it be fully sentient. Can it send out unmand fighters and piolt them better them and human piolt could. I doubt it. And yea you can fashion anythin you want with the core. But that needs time and there has to be some type of record of it in the core. You just cant fashion an un-godly like super ubber weapon.
Fourth-

sensors: some of the most advanced. so andromeda is detected.

ok. But Andromeda Sensors are just as advanced if not more. It could detect ship movements on the other side of the system, detect solar flares in other galaxys. Also Andromeda is running several jamming programs. So the Asgard Sensors more then likely wouldnt be able to pick it up.

[Cap.Dylan Hunt]

well unlike you dylan, i am not someone who goes flaming someone to death because i misinterpretated something. about what you said, you cant misinterpretate that. and yes, a moron, because im not flame-happy and insult-happy like you. get over yourself. period. now get yourself together and re-read that one post. yes i admit i dont watch it, and this very discussion about andromeda only makes me less eager to watch it. it would be a "andromeda whumps and kills everything". its the stargate forum. if only something from andromeda can kill it, go away and go discuss it in the andromeda forums. if you hate sg-fans knowing nothing of the andromedaverse, then why the hell is this thread in the S&T forum on gateworld, and why not in the andromeda section. and if there's none, request one and bug off to general discussion or some other place, as it wont belong here. all the assumptions on railguns and beam weapons are made on some observations. but i[and perhaps you] know that the reason cgi is shown as it is shown, is because its boring to have some flashes at one ship, and an explosion at annother ship, and you have to guess what hit it.
"a railgun. no a beam weapon. oh it was a pulse weapon. damn. and that. whats that? a nuke? or a beam weapon. who fires at who???"

and slomo wont work either.

"sssssssssssssssssiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr wwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeee aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeee hhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttt.
ssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllll llllllllldddddddddddddddsssssssss dddddddddddddooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn ttttttttoooooooooo 8888888888880000000000000000 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%"

like i said, visual effect.

also, the gate can be tossed in by a ship. duh.
a deadalus craft is never standard equipped, and alway modded to fit a mission. if the mission is "take out the andromeda" then the core is instructed to make lasers and particle weapons

I never said i have anything against SG fans. I love Stargate to. I love all Scifi. Firefly, Battlestar Galactica, Stargate(both), Andromeda, Farscape.
Its just haveing watch these shows. I know that no ship could stand a chance

And i want this to be recoginzed, i appoligize for my insults. i miss read what you wrote.
And as for the gate idea. This is a "what ship could beat the Andromeda". Not Name anything you think could.

[thekillman]

a gate in a sun works. its " What can beat the Andromeda Ascendant?"
a gate can. period.

so:

Stargate: [1]
Andromeda [2]

any other things?
mm.. oddy stands a chance. but unfortunately, only a total supremacy is good enough for our dear captain hunt. so:

Stargate:[2]
Andromeda[2]

we have:
aurora. well, if earth gets his hands on an aurora, we can expect an aurora+asgard tech.
+ arctic ZPM[it was nessecary against ori, no need now]
=

stargate: [3]
andromeda: [2]



Jem Hadar Fighters
federation Defiant class
Species 8472 have high maneuverability and weapon systems that are very good.

Vorlon,
Shadow,
White star .

=

Stargate:[3]
andromeda:[2]
Startrek: [3]
babylon 5:[3]
Farscape: [1]
anything else?

death star perhaps?


anubis' mothership? its superweapon seemed to be auto directed at targets.....


apology accepted.

[Cap.Dylan Hunt]

Ok so like i said. This is a "what ship could beat Andromeda thread" Not a anything. And a Stargate is not a ship, so it doesnt count.

Put it like this. If your in command of the oddy. And im in command of Andromeda. And i jump in to the system your in, the chance of you have a stargate on board is 1 in a million. Its not like they carry them around like they were missles.

[Cap.Dylan Hunt]

So new tally.
Stargate[1]
Andromeda[2]
Farscape[1]
B5[1]- If you read back to the earlier post, you'll see the only ship from B5 capable is the Vorlon Planet Killer
Startrek[3??]

[thekillman]

very well. know that it hasnt to be pure ownage. if you have 500 oddys and 500 andromeda's, place em in 500 galaxies, and let them fight, then there may be 30 oddy's surviving, maybe 1, maybe 400. but it all depends on luck, and circumstances.

[titan_hq]

I have an idea for the 304...(sorry if its been said already, I should read the thread but...i didn't. )

How about detonating high-yield nukes around Andromeda. Nukes scramble EM fields and apparently subspace sensors too(Atlantis' sensors). So while their sensors and beaming jammers are recovering beam a couple of nukes aboard? or rip it to shreds with rail-guns and beams?

[thekillman]

i proposed it already

[titan_hq]

i proposed it already

In this thread or the other 304 vs. Andromeda one?