Tok'ra Thunk/Discussion/Appreciation thread

[Hathor_girl]

I start to more and more believe in the 'alternate universe' idea. It is as if something happened to the Tok'ra idea in the writers head, sometime early 4th season, which was totally to the Tok'ra's disadvantage. Does anyone know if there was a change in writers around then?

Well, according to IMDB, Joseph Mallozzi, Paul Mullie, and Peter DeLuise all start to be credited as writers sometime during the year 2000, which does coincide with the start of season 4, so I guess it could be due to some of these. Ideas and concepts in shows often change - sometimes drastically - when new writers take over. I guess you could explain that in the show-universe as meaning it takes place in two different universes, as it has different "creators".

I think the large part of what we see of both Egeria and the other queen that worked for Anubis, is an external egg sack/womb. It is not something they "bring with them" into the host, as can be seen when Kelmaa gives her host to Egeria - the egg sack is still in the tank. I have seen it speculated several places that they use "what is already there" when they have a host (female of course), and otherwise grow an egg sack/external womb.

Regarding Hathor's need for human DNA - she said it was to assure compatibility with the host species, so she would not be the only queen to need that. It probably guarantees that the symbiote doesn't get rejected by the host body, because it is already part human and thus recognized by the body. Neither Egeria, nor Anubis's queen were making symbiotes that were going to live for long in a host - Egerias where used to make medicin and Anubis probably didn't care if only some of the symbiotes survived long enough to control his Kull warriors - which were totally constructed anyway.

There is also the comment from Klorel about his father, Apophis: "he seeded the queen mother" - so it would seem they cross-breed with the host species to assure the symbiote does not have problems with the immune system of the host?

This is also what I remember. Hathor says she needs "The code of life"=DNA to incorporate into the symbiotes, for them to easier take a host.

It is unknown if Jaffa can have children with others - they are genetically engineered, no one knows how much they are changed. I would guess that human/symbiote (in hosts, mind you) would have no problems, given that they already cross-breed when producing symbiotes.

The genetic memory: Since it is genetic memory, and since they said that the child was only considered a harsesis when he or she had two parents which were hosts, it follows that BOTH symbiotes must provide DNA, otherwise it makes no sense. The thing about the child having all the knowledge of the Goa'uld must be superstition - it could at most get the knowledge from both sides of its parentage, and if the symbiotes were from different queens, then they could get twice as much as an ordinary Goa'uld - something which Apophis apparently coveted.

This must mean that the child should always get some genetic memory, even if only one parent is a host (namely the memory of that symbiote), so the child of a Tok'ra and a human would get the Tok'ra's memories. Since the Tok'ra are good guys, I wouldn't consider that a problem, but they may want to keep the child away from any Goa'uld which would want to get to the knowledge (of course, they could get much of that by killing the symbiote in a Tok'ra host, and putting a Goa'uld in the poor guy).

No idea how the DNA from the symbiotes get into the child, but we have been told that both DNA and proteins from the symbiote is flowing around in the blood of the hosts, so perhaps it also goes other places and attaches itself to egg/semen. Who knows.

Yes, the only way it can make a difference whether it is one or two hosts that are parents, is if the symbiote in the male also somehow transfer DNA. I'm willing to go for the "DNA attaches itself to semen" theory.

Wow, lots of interesting speculation going on. Here's my thoughts on the whole genetic memory thing...

Obviously the Goa'uld must have evolved to a point where they needed hosts to survive, so their very being must revolve around that function. They need an easy way to take a host (hence body shape and teeth), a way to be compatible with the host (queen imparting some host DNA to children), a way to keep host from rejecting symbiote (long life and health/control), and some way to use the body of the host when necessary. I would guess that the term "blending" is more literal than we usually think.

Yes. I agree. They have evolved to be very well suited to blending.

We know they are able to access all the host's memories, and it goes the other way as well, and the influence remains after death of one party. I'd say that the symbiote either uses naquadah or a chemical/neurotransmitter that has a byproduct of naquadah to imprint memory patterns onto the host's neurons as well as to establish a link between their neurons for future interaction. In short, the symbiote acts like an external hard drive on a computer and copies over its information, and then makes it so that both minds are in sync.

Now, in theory the symbiote could control the body by only interacting with the brain, and any special chemical/neurotransmitter would stay there because of the blood/brain barrier. However, we see that that is not the case, and it makes sense. For a queen to breed, it would need to use the body of the host, and so there would have to be more direct interaction with the body. Hence the naquadah (or whatever it is) that is found in the bodies of those who are or were hosts. The symbiote must put a command in the host's brain that makes the necessary changes, which is why past hosts continue to produce naquadah, and those changes must be necessary for the incubation of newborn symbiotes.

Okay, now I'll go off on a wild whim to explain the whole harcesis thing, but it's related to my above theories. If the chemical that the symbiote uses to blend the minds of host and symbiote is powerful enough to "copy" memories, and if that chemical is required for the incubation of symbiotes (my theory), then perhaps when the womb is used for the incubation of human children, the chemical "copies" the memories into the mind of the human child because of the link between the other two minds. The symbiote could control what information the symbiote children received, but the human fetus' mind would automatically get the knowledge of host and symbiote because the chemical is designed to blend with humans and "sync" their minds. Does that make sense?

I'm not so sure about that. I don't think the naquadah stores anything, mostly because we had the cloned symbiotes in one episode of SG-1 (the ones that were building a ship, but were too young to take control of their hosts while the host was awake, and thus were building at night). These symbiotes DIDN'T have any naquadah (Sam said that was why neither she nor Teal'c could sense them), but they still had all the genetic memory. We have also been told that the reason they can sense each other is that naquadah "resonates" with itself - Hathor could even feel the Stargate all the way to South America!!

Also, it is not just human children of hosts to queens that get the genetic memory, it is human children of hosts to ordinary symbioted too - and they wouldn't have made any changes to the womb of the host, as only the queen would use it for her larvae.

I like your idea about why they can control the genetic memory in the symbiote kids, but not in the human kids - that they are designed to sync to humans mind. I think it would work whether it is DNA or naquadah that is the reason. Can queens control the memory of human children? Perhaps it is only ordinary symbiotes who can't? Was Amounet a queen in the sense of producing larvae, or in the royal sense only?

I love how nerdy this discussion is going!

I like all the theories and they all make sense. MerryK I especially like your theory, it helps me with the sensing other naquad things work better in my brain. With that theory, generations of Harsesis children wouldn't cause for increasing amounts of goauld DNA in the human lines, lol! Tho, if the symbiote DNA is pasted to human children, and after a few generations they become their own hybrid race (wasn't there some issues with Sekhemet and being hybrid?), then maybe after a while the hybrids wouldn't be able to take symbiotes anymore. just because they're too Goa'uld. A Goa'uld can't take a Goa'uld as a host, can they? lol! nah, they would probably just become more compatible hosts.

I love all these different theories... and quite frankly, since I doubt the writers will ever approach the subject again (they might bring back tok'ra, but not to discuss their nature, I don't think), we can probably make up just about whatever we want.

Well, whether the children have symbiote DNA or not, I still feel like seeing if I could draw hybrid children, lol!

Yes, nerdy is good! I love the nerdiness of this discussion also - and I agree that the writers will most likely never touch on this again, so we can speculate freely and everyone can write what they want, since there is no real canon knowledge in this.

Given the looks of Shifu, I would go with the kids having symbiote DNA. He didn't look like the human parents, so he must have gotten his looks from somewhere else. Perhaps Apophis has those slanted eyes

nebulan - do draw some hybrid kids - maybe they have red eyes

[Skadi]

Wow - there is certainly a lot of thought behind these discussions - I like it

Just one comment; the naquadah in Sam and other former hosts are not produced by the host (or the symbiote for that matter). If it were, then the above mentioned cloned symbiotes would have had naquadah. It is something the symbiotes get from the environment (or the queen put in them more likely) and it then stays there. It also stays in the former hosts, presumably because naquadah is very heavy and have very large molecules which doesn't get excreted from the body, or whatever it is called.

They said that Sam got the naquadah, because after Jolinar died, her body was absorbed by Sam's body, letting free the naquadah in her blood (and presumably more protein markers and DNA from the symbiote - they say somewhere that there is always some floating around in the body of those that are hosts). This does not totally match with Vala's case, as her symbiote was removed and didn't die in her (I assume).

I actually read in a real scientific article that we all have foreign DNA floating around in the body - cells from our mother, cells from our children (for women who have been pregnant), from your twin brother/sister if you have one, and from various parasitic infections we may have had (I don't think they were talking about Goa'uld's here ).

-Skadi

[nebulan]

oooh, interesting theories everyone

I actually read in a real scientific article that we all have foreign DNA floating around in the body - cells from our mother, cells from our children (for women who have been pregnant), from your twin brother/sister if you have one, and from various parasitic infections we may have had (I don't think they were talking about Goa'uld's here ).

wow, really? so I might have some of RogueDragon's DNA even if we're not identical (we don't know), weird...

But is it really enough for someone like Vala to still use a hand device after she's no longer host for a while? I guess maybe.

It just seems like some of these old plot holes have turned into pot holes.

Would Human/Goa'uld hybrid children be able to flash their eyes? even if they have red eyes? hehe. what about a deep voice even without being a host?

for Amonet, I never thought she was a queen, I mean, Sha're did give birth to a human kid, not a bunch of snakes, but then there's the whole "Klorel is Apophis' son" thing... not really sure how that worked. so... I'm thinking that Klorel's mother was a queen, but not amonet, and it's... ok (by the system lords) for Goa'ulds to mate as long as it's to make baby snakes and not baby humans?

... I feel the need for some pic spam (hehe)

[MerryK]

I'm not so sure about that. I don't think the naquadah stores anything, mostly because we had the cloned symbiotes in one episode of SG-1 (the ones that were building a ship, but were too young to take control of their hosts while the host was awake, and thus were building at night). These symbiotes DIDN'T have any naquadah (Sam said that was why neither she nor Teal'c could sense them), but they still had all the genetic memory.

Also, it is not just human children of hosts to queens that get the genetic memory, it is human children of hosts to ordinary symbioted too - and they wouldn't have made any changes to the womb of the host, as only the queen would use it for her larvae.

I didn't say the naquadah caused anything...I'm pretty sure it's a byproduct of symbiosis. The cloned symbiotes simply had inferior DNA, IMO, so their blending didn't proceed as usual. I also think that the changes to the body chemistry of the host, though primarily for queens to incubate, would also be used for other functions. My theory was that the naquadah was a byproduct of a different chemical that dealt with the memory issues...a chemical that would leave no trace.

Just one comment; the naquadah in Sam and other former hosts are not produced by the host (or the symbiote for that matter). If it were, then the above mentioned cloned symbiotes would have had naquadah. It is something the symbiotes get from the environment (or the queen put in them more likely) and it then stays there. It also stays in the former hosts, presumably because naquadah is very heavy and have very large molecules which doesn't get excreted from the body, or whatever it is called.

They said that Sam got the naquadah, because after Jolinar died, her body was absorbed by Sam's body, letting free the naquadah in her blood (and presumably more protein markers and DNA from the symbiote - they say somewhere that there is always some floating around in the body of those that are hosts). This does not totally match with Vala's case, as her symbiote was removed and didn't die in her (I assume).

I don't treat the cloned symbiotes in Frozen as good examples of traditional symbiotes. I always assumed that, apart from being young, there were also errors in the DNA that made the blending go screwy. And since all previous hosts still retain the bodily chemistry changes, and since no one seems to think of them as fixable, I'd say that they were serious changes that occur because of blending. If the naquadah was simply floating around, it could be leeched like other heavy metals.

[Skadi]

for Amonet, I never thought she was a queen, I mean, Sha're did give birth to a human kid, not a bunch of snakes, but then there's the whole "Klorel is Apophis' son" thing... not really sure how that worked. so... I'm thinking that Klorel's mother was a queen, but not amonet, and it's... ok (by the system lords) for Goa'ulds to mate as long as it's to make baby snakes and not baby humans?

Nice pic spam - lots of Tok'ra! Thank you.

I agree that Amounet probably was only a "royal" queen, and that Apophis had Klorel with someone else - also because Amounet was still in a Jaffa pouch, and they can't be there when they are adults, so she wouldn't have been able to go back there if she lost her host or something.
Apophis seemed fond of her, though, so they must have "dated" for a while - must be strange to do when one of them is sitting inside the Jaffa, but probably the Goa'uld don't care if the Jaffa listens to them talking.

I didn't say the naquadah caused anything...I'm pretty sure it's a byproduct of symbiosis. The cloned symbiotes simply had inferior DNA, IMO, so their blending didn't proceed as usual. I also think that the changes to the body chemistry of the host, though primarily for queens to incubate, would also be used for other functions. My theory was that the naquadah was a byproduct of a different chemical that dealt with the memory issues...a chemical that would leave no trace.

I don't treat the cloned symbiotes in Frozen as good examples of traditional symbiotes. I always assumed that, apart from being young, there were also errors in the DNA that made the blending go screwy. And since all previous hosts still retain the bodily chemistry changes, and since no one seems to think of them as fixable, I'd say that they were serious changes that occur because of blending. If the naquadah was simply floating around, it could be leeched like other heavy metals.

I certainly agree that the body chemistry is probably altered permanently in a current/former host - I even think they sometimes mentioned this about Sam. However, even if the cloned symbiotes were somehow defective, they were not the only ones not to produce naquadah:

(From 'The First Ones')

Spoiler:

TEAL'C: These waters abound with them. Any one who have ventured to the edge has put them selves at risk.
ROTHMAN: No, the Goa'Uld fossils we found are millions of years old. I've been on this planet for weeks.
TEAL'C: Then perhaps you maintained the pretence of being human.
ROTHMAN: I think I would know if there was a snake in my head!
JACK: Carter?
SAM: I can't explain it, Sir. I don't even sense the ones that are in the water.
ROTHMAN: Daniel & I found no traces of Naquadah in the symbiote fossil. Maybe that's why -

So they didn't have the naquadah at first, but got it later (OK, that doesn't prove anything, since there may have been time to evolve after they left that world).

Something which would speak in favor of the naquadah being produced in the body is that in the episode "In the Line of Fire", we are told that Cassandra still has "traces" of naquadah left which lets her sense Jolinar. And Cassandra was never a host, she only had the naquadah placed in her by Nirrti.

However - given that naquadah is a heavy metal - and in the Stargate universe a very real one that can be mined - it can not be produced in the body of anyone - human or symbiote. To produce a heaver element from a lighter one takes fusion - and enormously high pressure/temperature. Something in the former hosts body must hold unto it when it has been introduced, just as something in the symbiotes body holds unto it. That could be the change that is made in the host and has evolved in the symbiotes. Probably they keep most of what they have and a little leeches out into the hosts blood and stays there because of changes to the host. The blending must be a very thorough one and there must be blood contact at least through thin veins or something, like between the blood of a fetus and its mother - simply because the symbiote needs to get water, nutrients, and oxygen and get rid of waste matter.

The queens must take some naquadah from the environment and use when she produces the larvae - just as the human body must get iron etc. from the environment.

This discussion is getting even more nerdy

-Skadi

[Hathor_girl]

I actually read in a real scientific article that we all have foreign DNA floating around in the body - cells from our mother, cells from our children (for women who have been pregnant), from your twin brother/sister if you have one, and from various parasitic infections we may have had (I don't think they were talking about Goa'uld's here ).

-Skadi

That's interesting

oooh, interesting theories everyone



wow, really? so I might have some of RogueDragon's DNA even if we're not identical (we don't know), weird...

But is it really enough for someone like Vala to still use a hand device after she's no longer host for a while? I guess maybe.

It just seems like some of these old plot holes have turned into pot holes.

Would Human/Goa'uld hybrid children be able to flash their eyes? even if they have red eyes? hehe. what about a deep voice even without being a host?

for Amonet, I never thought she was a queen, I mean, Sha're did give birth to a human kid, not a bunch of snakes, but then there's the whole "Klorel is Apophis' son" thing... not really sure how that worked. so... I'm thinking that Klorel's mother was a queen, but not amonet, and it's... ok (by the system lords) for Goa'ulds to mate as long as it's to make baby snakes and not baby humans?

... I feel the need for some pic spam (hehe)

nebulan, you and RogueDragon are twins? Nice!

Thanks for the pic spam - wonderful Tok'ra. I like the pic of Kelmaa looking at her mom.

Yeah, that's what I thought (about Amounet), she must have been a newly matured symbiote since she was in a Jaffa pouch.

[Snotr]

Nice pic spam, nebulan!

-Snotr

[MerryK]

However - given that naquadah is a heavy metal - and in the Stargate universe a very real one that can be mined - it can not be produced in the body of anyone - human or symbiote. To produce a heaver element from a lighter one takes fusion - and enormously high pressure/temperature.

This discussion is getting even more nerdy

Oh darn, you've got me there! It does make way more sense that the symbiote takes the naquadah from the environment when you put it like that.

And yeah, nerdy.

[Skadi]

Just found this (somewhat entertaining) quiz:

http://www.quizilla.com/users/Ribbon/quizzes/(Stargate%20SG-1)%20Which%20Tok'ra%20are%20you?/

Answer the questions and it tells you which Tok'ra you are. I don't think they have coded more than a few possibilities, though.

-Skadi

[Snotr]

I got this result:


You are Jacob/Selmak. You get to be the Tok'ra most loved by the Tauri, reasons obvious. You know that being a tok'ra is quite difficult, but always try to find a fair point between the point of view of the tok'ra and the tauri. Not always an easy job!


What about you, Skadi?

-Snotr

[Hathor_girl]

Just found this (somewhat entertaining) quiz:

http://www.quizilla.com/users/Ribbon/quizzes/(Stargate%20SG-1)%20Which%20Tok'ra%20are%20you?/

Answer the questions and it tells you which Tok'ra you are. I don't think they have coded more than a few possibilities, though.

-Skadi

Hmm, I got Aldwin, strangely enough. I never would have guessed that. I think I don't like the person that wrote the captions - he or she seems to not like the Tok'ra much.


You are Aldwyn. You perfectly match the typical tok'ra, arrogant and always going with half truths. You seem to think the end justifies the meanings, but you should know that's not always true...

[MerryK]

I've been browsing various fanfiction websites, and have been noticing a significant lack of AU stories about Sam's experience with Jolinar. I'd think everyone would hop on to all the possibilities there, but maybe there's too much prejudice against the Tok'ra. Am I looking in the wrong place? And if not, I may just have to actually write that huge plot bunny that's in my head to fill the gap in the fanfiction world.

[CaptJanson]

Just found this (somewhat entertaining) quiz:

http://www.quizilla.com/users/Ribbon/quizzes/(Stargate%20SG-1)%20Which%20Tok'ra%20are%20you?/

Answer the questions and it tells you which Tok'ra you are. I don't think they have coded more than a few possibilities, though.

-Skadi

I got the same as Snotr:


You are Jacob/Selmak. You get to be the Tok'ra most loved by the Tauri, reasons obvious. You know that being a tok'ra is quite difficult, but always try to find a fair point between the point of view of the tok'ra and the tauri. Not always an easy job!

I've been browsing various fanfiction websites, and have been noticing a significant lack of AU stories about Sam's experience with Jolinar. I'd think everyone would hop on to all the possibilities there, but maybe there's too much prejudice against the Tok'ra. Am I looking in the wrong place? And if not, I may just have to actually write that huge plot bunny that's in my head to fill the gap in the fanfiction world.

Yes, it is strange that there are so few AU's about Sam/Jolinar. I am really sorry there aren't any more, because I do like Jolinar - a lot actually. I would really have liked her to live, she was a very interesting character.

I think you are right that there is too much prejudice against the Tok'ra for people to write those stories. Another issue is probably that many people ship Sam/Jack, and I would guess that having Sam share her mind and body with someone who has been madly in love with Martouf/Lantash for ~100 years is not something they like - especially with that whole "we love as one" thing - it would probably not be likely for Sam to change Jolinar's mind, and much more likely for Jolinar to change Sam's mind, given how long the relationship had been.

I have actually read 2 AU's about Sam/Jolinar. One where they killed off Martouf/Lantash (and basically all other Tok'ra), but let Sam keep Jolinar, and one where Sam/Jolinar managed to get away from Earth and to the Tok'ra. It ended with Sam just having arrived there and contemplating whether to keep Jolinar or not - mostly staying to think because the ship that should take her home was broken and needed repair. Not much of an AU collection, so I would be very happy to read your idea.

[Skadi]

What about you, Skadi?

-Snotr

You are Martouf/Lantash, one of the good ones by all means. Gentle and in love with Jolinar (due to that in love with Sam) you met a terrible end, but you'll always be remembered.

I agree with you, Hathor_girl - the writers of the quiz doesn't seem to like the Tok'ra much. I tried changing my answers to get some of the other results, and every one I managed to get seemed somewhat less than totally friendly. Strange that someone would make a Tok'ra-quiz if they don't like them.

I've been browsing various fanfiction websites, and have been noticing a significant lack of AU stories about Sam's experience with Jolinar. I'd think everyone would hop on to all the possibilities there, but maybe there's too much prejudice against the Tok'ra. Am I looking in the wrong place? And if not, I may just have to actually write that huge plot bunny that's in my head to fill the gap in the fanfiction world.

I did a rather extensive search, which actually turned up some that I hadn't read before. I found the following, which are not all good. I also seem to remember those CaptJanson mentioned, as well as one other, neither of which are included in these. So there are some, just not very many:

http://uk.geocities.com/anise01uk/startingoutagain.html
http://uk.geocities.com/anise01uk/sacredhearts.html
http://69.80.208.157/fandomnet/tokra...ry.php?sid=137
http://69.80.208.157/fandomnet/tokra...ry.php?sid=531
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2333338/1/Good_Intentions
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2857704/...e_Line_of_Duty

I would very much appreciate it if you write a fanfic about your plot bunny, MerryK!

-Skadi

[Skadi]

I did a rather extensive search, which actually turned up some that I hadn't read before. I found the following, which are not all good. I also seem to remember those CaptJanson mentioned, as well as one other, neither of which are included in these. So there are some, just not very many:

http://uk.geocities.com/anise01uk/startingoutagain.html
http://uk.geocities.com/anise01uk/sacredhearts.html
http://69.80.208.157/fandomnet/tokra...ry.php?sid=137
http://69.80.208.157/fandomnet/tokra...ry.php?sid=531
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2333338/1/Good_Intentions
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2857704/...e_Line_of_Duty

I would very much appreciate it if you write a fanfic about your plot bunny, MerryK!

-Skadi

I just realised that the last one in the above list, the "In the Line of Duty" also kills of Jolinar. It does have much interesting talk between Sam and her before that, though. If anyone is interested in reading another story like that, then I found this:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3629946/1/The_Mind_Inside

It is also a version of In the Line of Duty, where you hear the discussions between Sam and Jolinar. I think it is very good, one of the best I have read in a long time. I just really wish the author would have let Jolinar live

-Skadi

[Snotr]

I just realised that the last one in the above list, the "In the Line of Duty" also kills of Jolinar. It does have much interesting talk between Sam and her before that, though. If anyone is interested in reading another story like that, then I found this:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3629946/1/The_Mind_Inside

It is also a version of In the Line of Duty, where you hear the discussions between Sam and Jolinar. I think it is very good, one of the best I have read in a long time. I just really wish the author would have let Jolinar live

-Skadi

Poor Jolinar, I really feel sorry for her. That story - The Mind Inside, it was very, very good. I almost cried when Jolinar was killed

-Snotr

[nebulan]

Meh, we should make our own Tok'ra quiz! Maybe we could come up with a series of question types and then we can each claim a character and make questions for them.
And get better pictures too, gah!

What do you think? I mean, it would be kinda silly, after we make the quiz, who would take it except for us, the tok'ra fans? hehe. anyway, if we do it, I call Jalen

Oh it would be fun if we had some fun evil options and then at the end you find out you're Tanith, with a caption something like:
"What? You're not even Tok'ra at all, you're a goa'uld spy!"

Should we split host and symbiote? if we don't Freya/Anise could be fun like "you're sometimes forceful and very scientific, but other times you're friendly and flirty"

[Hathor_girl]

Meh, we should make our own Tok'ra quiz! Maybe we could come up with a series of question types and then we can each claim a character and make questions for them.
And get better pictures too, gah!

What do you think? I mean, it would be kinda silly, after we make the quiz, who would take it except for us, the tok'ra fans? hehe. anyway, if we do it, I call Jalen

Oh it would be fun if we had some fun evil options and then at the end you find out you're Tanith, with a caption something like:
"What? You're not even Tok'ra at all, you're a goa'uld spy!"

Should we split host and symbiote? if we don't Freya/Anise could be fun like "you're sometimes forceful and very scientific, but other times you're friendly and flirty"

I love your idea! If we do this, then I think I would like to do Aldwin.

[Skadi]

Meh, we should make our own Tok'ra quiz! Maybe we could come up with a series of question types and then we can each claim a character and make questions for them.
And get better pictures too, gah!

What do you think? I mean, it would be kinda silly, after we make the quiz, who would take it except for us, the tok'ra fans? hehe. anyway, if we do it, I call Jalen

Oh it would be fun if we had some fun evil options and then at the end you find out you're Tanith, with a caption something like:
"What? You're not even Tok'ra at all, you're a goa'uld spy!"

Should we split host and symbiote? if we don't Freya/Anise could be fun like "you're sometimes forceful and very scientific, but other times you're friendly and flirty"

I think this is a good idea, then we can get some of the lesser known Tok'ra in it too. We should have all those that were on the start of the H&H Tok'ra thread! -and I think it could be funny if Tanith is an option - and people are told they're a Goa'uld instead

I don't think we should split host and symbiote, even though I suppose that means we should have both Saroosh/Selmak and Jacob/Selmak - and, as you say, Anise/Freya will be fun

I would like to write questions/result text for Martouf/Lantash, if that's OK.

-Skadi

[MerryK]

I think this is a good idea, then we can get some of the lesser known Tok'ra in it too. We should have all those that were on the start of the H&H Tok'ra thread! -and I think it could be funny if Tanith is an option - and people are told they're a Goa'uld instead

I don't think we should split host and symbiote, even though I suppose that means we should have both Saroosh/Selmak and Jacob/Selmak - and, as you say, Anise/Freya will be fun

I would like to write questions/result text for Martouf/Lantash, if that's OK.

-Skadi

This sounds great and fun, even if only we take it. Especially the Tanith bit...brilliant! However, might I petition that the answers aren't too obvious? I mean, a quiz where extreme Tok'ra geeks might be able to guess, but not like those sorts of quizzes where you know exactly who you're going to get as you choose the answers.