simple reason asgard ships are better than lantian ships

[jnadreth]

Don't forget Janus's time travelling Gateship-which could traverse time-the only reason why they did not build more was because they did not want to damage the timeline

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We also cant forget what happened to taonas and the shield still held. That proves how strong the shields are.

[jnadreth]

Exactly-Stargate technology is very durable and longlasting unlike USS Voyager which needs constant maintainance to keep operational as does the Millenium Falcon. Back to topic Projct Arcturas was well out of the Asgards league and only was a hairs breath away from success by taking energy away from multiple universes instead of taking it from only one

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Exactly-Stargate technology is very durable and longlasting unlike USS Voyager which needs constant maintainance to keep operational as does the Millenium Falcon. Back to topic Projct Arcturas was well out of the Asgards league and only was a hairs breath away from success by taking energy away from multiple universes instead of taking it from only one

I agree they just needed more time and less stress from the wraith and they may have found a solution.

[2ndgenerationalteran]

im split on the idea that if mckay had jeanies formula they could have succeded.

[jnadreth]

It would only work if McKay had Todd the wraith threatening to feed from him-McKay said it himself he works best under pressure,maybe a lemon as well

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It would only work if McKay had Todd the wraith threatening to feed from him-McKay said it himself he works best under pressure,maybe a lemon as well

No instead of a lemon a bucket of citrus acids. Oh and instead of 1 wraith 5 wraith. So he would work extra harder.

[jnadreth]

And maybe someone with a Bow and several Arrows, McKay can be a "pain in the ass" sometimes

[Gate Master]

Overall the ancients discoveries> asgard discoveries. The asgard only got faster hyperdrives and a better beam weapon. The ancient have 3 of the most advance discoveries in the stargate universe. The Stargate,Zpm,and Dakara superweapon. Not to mention ascension which the asgard didn't achieve. I also find it pitiful that you have to compare the ancients with many races rather than one. That shows how scientifically and technologically more advance they are than the other races because you have to pit them against all of the other races. What about the ark. Shows people the truth sounds pretty advance even in the before the ancients reached the peak of their tech they had very advance tech.

Im not disputing their discoveries or that the asgards had help with their tech development from the ancients. But now that the asgard have developed their military tech is as good as the ancients.
I compared the ancients to all the other races because the ancients are put up on this pedistal as being way beyound all of them which is very debatable. I dont see the ancients any more special than if we were having a wraith v ascard debate.

As for the asgard not ascending its cannon that their genetic manipulation took the necessary evolutionary steps out making it impossible for them to ascend.


The ark I dont no any thing about, but would like to no where everyone is getting the spoilers for it

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Im not disputing their discoveries or that the asgards had help with their tech development from the ancients. But now that the asgard have developed their military tech is as good as the ancients.
I compared the ancients to all the other races because the ancients are put up on this pedistal as being way beyound all of them which is very debatable. I dont see the ancients any more special than if we were having a wraith v ascard debate.

As for the asgard not ascending its cannon that their genetic manipulation took the necessary evolutionary steps out making it impossible for them to ascend.


The ark I dont no any thing about, but would like to no where everyone is getting the spoilers for it

They have the movie online with some fx taking out. Yes but these races have about 1-2 things superior to the ancients each. The ancients have about 6-8+ things superior to these races. Of course the ancients cant compare to that many races. I don't think cloning yourself could make you not be able to ascend seeing as all you are doing is shedding your physical body to become energy. Dna mutation wouldn't have anything to do with shedding your body. Yes the asgard may have superior ships to auroras but we don't know if the aurora is the best the ancients could do. I highly doubt it. I just think they did the best they could do with the resources they have.

[2ndgenerationalteran]

i think the divice blowing up would have been enough pressure, but of course he just followed what he previously planned. McKay seems to be smarter than Carter when he's threatened

[Gate Master]

And the Ancients reversed time, and could make a time "loop." 2 different methods of time travel.

True but modifying the asgard tech, time could be reversed as well and with more control than the ancients had.

The telchak device did work, its was keyed to ancient physiology not human.

If thats true then why havn't we seen it used. It could have rejuvinated the auroura crew, helped merlin. Plus the asgard beam em and cure em still seems better

But they didnt invent it did they, they just copy preciously made ones and as far as my understanding the Nox did more work than the tollan.

All true but since other races have court up with the ancients they still aint that special now in terms of their tech.

So did the ancients, on the path to assension they gained new powers. Aiyana could heal and she was several million years younger than the pegasus Ancients before the wraith war.

But the knox seemed to be born with theirs probably meaning they were further evolved.

But they couldnt assemble themselves into fully functional beings.

Not yet but we've seen nanites that can alter the body and and transfer knowledge. Plus those nanites were under control the ancients have yet to show the ability to control what they create.

and because the size reduction it could afford to have a shield, plus the beam was minuscule in comparison to the Lagrange point satellite. Plus we dont know if it had a shield, for all we know they did but didnt even bother getting it working because they didnt have time. Plus its ROF is supposed to be extremely rapid considering that it could take out 3 hives with out a sweat.

If they were trying to save on resources tho it was way to big when there had to be smaller weapons capable of doing the same job like a tollon iron cannon since wraith ships dont appear to be shielded.

whos to say the ancients didnt do that?

Dakara weapon trumps the Sentinel and replicator missles are designed to punch through shields while drones "slip" in.

May be they did but it doesn't make them any more special than the other races that did.
The sentinal could be targed much more precise taking out the same species in the same room while leaving friendly's unharmed.
As for rep missiles how do you know they aint the same tech as drones since they had to lean it from some where so why not the ancient data base in the asgard computor.

[Gate Master]

They have the movie online with some fx taking out. Yes but these races have about 1-2 things superior to the ancients each. The ancients have about 6-8+ things superior to these races. Of course the ancients cant compare to that many races. I don't think cloning yourself could make you not be able to ascend seeing as all you are doing is shedding your physical body to become energy. Dna mutation wouldn't have anything to do with shedding your body. Yes the asgard may have superior ships to auroras but we don't know if the aurora is the best the ancients could do. I highly doubt it. I just think they did the best they could do with the resources they have.

For the most part I agree except where the asgard are concerned cause in alot of ways, at least that we've seen so far the asgard seem to be the more advanced.
As for the cloning thing I agree its completely illogical but its cannon so what can you do. its just another one of them plot holes.

Thanx for the point in the right direction regarding the spoilers

[2ndgenerationalteran]

True but modifying the asgard tech, time could be reversed as well and with more control than the ancients had.

What are you talking about the Carter's time machine could only bring the crew moments before the bubble formed. Janus's time machine had seemingly no limitations.

If thats true then why havn't we seen it used. It could have rejuvinated the auroura crew, helped merlin. Plus the asgard beam em and cure em still seems better

I believe they said in evolution or death knell that the device was not keyed to our physiology. And yes it could have been used, but there is still probably only so much that device can do before negative side effects may occur like elevated white bloodcells count and adrenalin.

All true but since other races have court up with the ancients they still aint that special now in terms of their tech.

well currently but over all they trump everyone, they were the first they had no instructors no guides, every other race had time to look towards them and ask them for help. The ancients were the teachers and the rest were the students. They are meant to be revered more, its like me claiming i'm as smart as einstien because i can use his time dialation equation.

But the knox seemed to be born with theirs probably meaning they were further evolved.

Or evolution granted those gifts naturally even before a preindustrialized state. If sharks could evolve into a industrialized state their ability to sense minute electrical signals in water wont be because they have a further evolutionary state. Actually it is more plausible that their cloak ability is one that was developed far back into their past when if they couldnt do that they would have died do to natural selection.

Not yet but we've seen nanites that can alter the body and and transfer knowledge. Plus those nanites were under control the ancients have yet to show the ability to control what they create.

The gould nanites were only able to interact in a way that would put some one to sleep wake them and age them. Orbanian nanites only acted as synapses. The ancient nanites were a plaque but was given the ability to evolve which they did, the ancients programed them and controlled them, only when mckay messed with their base code did they become out of control.

If they were trying to save on resources tho it was way to big when there had to be smaller weapons capable of doing the same job like a tollon iron cannon since wraith ships dont appear to be shielded.

except the ancients predated the tollan for atleast 9000 years. The size of the weapon and the small power source implies that it had other capabilities as well, the whole thing probably was not purely a weapon, there probably was a shield. But the sattelite was meant to sustain a beam rather than firing a pulse so the beam could cut straight through the ship rather than punch in many small holes.

May be they did but it doesn't make them any more special than the other races that did.
The sentinal could be targed much more precise taking out the same species in the same room while leaving friendly's unharmed.
As for rep missiles how do you know they aint the same tech as drones since they had to lean it from some where so why not the ancient data base in the asgard computor.[/QUOTE]
Sentinel requires a life to be taken though and the dakara device could possibly be made to specify a genetic target.

Because we learned that force prevails against ships, in ethon the ori sattellite punched through asgard shields hitting the ship and shields were still active. if they fired hard enough they would impact shields but some blocks would still make it through and thats all they need.

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What are you talking about the Carter's time machine could only bring the crew moments before the bubble formed. Janus's time machine had seemingly no limitations.




I believe they said in evolution or death knell that the device was not keyed to our physiology. And yes it could have been used, but there is still probably only so much that device can do before negative side effects may occur like elevated white bloodcells count and adrenalin.



well currently but over all they trump everyone, they were the first they had no instructors no guides, every other race had time to look towards them and ask them for help. The ancients were the teachers and the rest were the students. They are meant to be revered more, its like me claiming i'm as smart as einstien because i can use his time dialation equation.


Or evolution granted those gifts naturally even before a preindustrialized state. If sharks could evolve into a industrialized state their ability to sense minute electrical signals in water wont be because they have a further evolutionary state. Actually it is more plausible that their cloak ability is one that was developed far back into their past when if they couldnt do that they would have died do to natural selection.




The gould nanites were only able to interact in a way that would put some one to sleep wake them and age them. Orbanian nanites only acted as synapses. The ancient nanites were a plaque but was given the ability to evolve which they did, the ancients programed them and controlled them, only when mckay messed with their base code did they become out of control.



except the ancients predated the tollan for atleast 9000 years. The size of the weapon and the small power source implies that it had other capabilities as well, the whole thing probably was not purely a weapon, there probably was a shield. But the sattelite was meant to sustain a beam rather than firing a pulse so the beam could cut straight through the ship rather than punch in many small holes.

May be they did but it doesn't make them any more special than the other races that did.
The sentinal could be targed much more precise taking out the same species in the same room while leaving friendly's unharmed.
As for rep missiles how do you know they aint the same tech as drones since they had to lean it from some where so why not the ancient data base in the asgard computor.

Sentinel requires a life to be taken though and the dakara device could possibly be made to specify a genetic target.

Because we learned that force prevails against ships, in ethon the ori sattellite punched through asgard shields hitting the ship and shields were still active. if they fired hard enough they would impact shields but some blocks would still make it through and thats all they need.[/QUOTE]
I agree

[Gate Master]

What are you talking about the Carter's time machine could only bring the crew moments before the bubble formed. Janus's time machine had seemingly no limitations.

True the ancients had the better time travel machine but from what we've seen the asgard are better at time dilation devices again probably with help from the ancient database. The ancients first time machine never worked right and relied on atmosphic circumstances that occured every 50 yrs or so.

I believe they said in evolution or death knell that the device was not keyed to our physiology. And yes it could have been used, but there is still probably only so much that device can do before negative side effects may occur like elevated white bloodcells count and adrenalin.

The device was described as having very few if any limitations. It could make life let alone repair it. I would hypothersise that too much damage to the brain would result in it being repairable but the consciousness would be for all intents dead much like when the nanities were going to repair the brain. But then the goauld can bring back someone even long after death so its unclear.
Another possibility is that it could have been made after the ancients were back in the MW but if it was compatible with ancient physiology and not a failed experiment then it should of been able to help merlin regenerate and help orlin with his problem.

well currently but over all they trump everyone, they were the first they had no instructors no guides, every other race had time to look towards them and ask them for help. The ancients were the teachers and the rest were the students. They are meant to be revered more, its like me claiming i'm as smart as einstien because i can use his time dialation equation.

I accept that and agree they helped most of the races progress either directly or indirectly. But for all we know the knox could still have tought them a thing or to and even the furling's. There alliance was based around sharing info and I presume the ancients weren't the only contributors.

Or evolution granted those gifts naturally even before a preindustrialized state. If sharks could evolve into a industrialized state their ability to sense minute electrical signals in water wont be because they have a further evolutionary state. Actually it is more plausible that their cloak ability is one that was developed far back into their past when if they couldnt do that they would have died do to natural selection.

All very valid points and quite possible. They had other powers tho like healing and what appeared to be teleportation not to mention a mastery over the gate to create a wormhole with out the unstable vortex, that we havn'e even seen the ancients use ascended or not.

The gould nanites were only able to interact in a way that would put some one to sleep wake them and age them. Orbanian nanites only acted as synapses. The ancient nanites were a plaque but was given the ability to evolve which they did, the ancients programed them and controlled them, only when mckay messed with their base code did they become out of control.

The ancients nanities tho were still considered a failed experiment because of the lack of control they had long before mckay touched the base code. At least the goauld and Orbanian had control of their tech. The ancients had a tendency to run before they could walk making huge mistakes because of there over confidence. Then to top it off there appears to be a repeat of the same mistakes in continuing the experiment in the MW. Just because they could do it doesn't make them great, learning from their mistakes and fully developing the tech at a slower pace may have.

except the ancients predated the tollan for atleast 9000 years. The size of the weapon and the small power source implies that it had other capabilities as well, the whole thing probably was not purely a weapon, there probably was a shield. But the sattelite was meant to sustain a beam rather than firing a pulse so the beam could cut straight through the ship rather than punch in many small holes.

I think they predated the tollan by millions of years and reletively speaking the tollan created such an effective weapon in just a few thousand yrs with out any help that we know of. So they did in a few thousand years what took the ancients millions of years.
Then the ancients try to enhance their weapon with a pulse beam again with complete over kill, a source of power that is 25times that of a ZPM and for what, when as you say the beam worked fine. There was no logic to it so how bright could they have been.

Sentinel requires a life to be taken though and the dakara device could possibly be made to specify a genetic target.

It isn't certain that the sentinel requires life, its possible it wasn't used right. It seemed illogical that those peaceful people would sacrifice someone every time they came under attack.
As for dekara it apparently couldn't even help them in the war with the wraith. They could have bombarded wraith planets from the MW with it.

Because we learned that force prevails against ships, in ethon the ori sattellite punched through asgard shields hitting the ship and shields were still active. if they fired hard enough they would impact shields but some blocks would still make it through and thats all they need.

Its uncertain how the weapon works and we only have the FX geniuses to rely on. Probably the same ones who landed a three sided hatak on a four sided pyramid.
For all we know the Ori weapons are beam versions of the drones using the same energy which allows them to bypass weak shields and severely weaken and then punch through stronger shields.

[2ndgenerationalteran]

The ancients had time dilation tech in epiphany.

I'm actually thinking the telchak device was addictive to the ancients because it rejuvenated them so it was better that they dont use them, not canon just a theory.

I agree that the others contributed but it would have been the nox and maybe the furling because the asgard at the earliest would have joined 30,000 years ago.

I meant the gap between their time lines but that is irrelevant, I think that weapon turret was designed by the inhabbitants of that planet as the buffer

I believe that was what the keeper was for, the guy roque NID agents killed, i think he said his family was the guardians and users of the sentinel. I thought that since the ancients seeded life they either brought humans from MW or if they made a device like dakara's it probably was a priority target for the wraith.

I remember that hatak pyramid thing, hilarious.

[Gate Master]

I wasn't thinking so much about building another Dakara device just using the one they already had through an intergalactic wormhole. The device itsself would be nice and safe out of the wraiths grasp in the MW and the ancients could strike at will.

While the ancients did perfect their time dialation tech as you say in epiphany the asgard one seemed far superior since it didn't require a ZPM and extended point something light years as oppsed to a small porthion of a planet

[Aethon]

so is spell check.

can I get an AMEN!

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I wasn't thinking so much about building another Dakara device just using the one they already had through an intergalactic wormhole. The device itself would be nice and safe out of the wraiths grasp in the MW and the ancients could strike at will.

While the ancients did perfect their time dilation tech as you say in epiphany the asgard one seemed far superior since it didn't require a ZPM and extended point something light years as opposed to a small portion of a planet

It didn't require a zpm because it wasn't lasting thousands-millions of years like the ancients was suppose to. Why would the ancients want to use it on the whole planet ,so if somebody goes through the Stargate they are automatically in the time dilation without warning. They also didn't want the whole planet because they wanted the path to ascension to be the main goal and not technological advancement and exploration. You should use spell check too. Ill spell check this for you.