Battlestar Galactica: Razor

[ori soldier]

i cannot believe ppl think starbuck is a cylon its too obvious my guess is it will be a character who has already died, ellen or kendra anyone

[Skydiver]

i don't think starbuck is a cylon. it's too easy. I do think that she coudl have been the first hybrid. The first half cylon/half human. which would explain her memories.

I don't think the fifth cylon is dead, it's someone that's alive and part of the crew.

commander adama could be a possibility. since he was on that planet and saw the experiments, what he could be remembering is implanted memories to explain his presence, and he's really a skin job.

[Skydiver]

and if starbuck was teh cylon, that'd defuse the mind freak she'll have when seh realizes she married a skin job, so she has to be human

[ori soldier]

I don't think the fifth cylon is dead, it's someone that's alive and part of the crew.
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No but imagine the reaction of characters and the public when a long dead character walks through the door.. thats what i think the writers will aim for

[ha'tak_]

when is the rest of the season showed

[Skydiver]

the rest of the season airs after the first of the year. march i think...probably right after sga ends so they can have 23 weeks of 'all new' programming (10 of sga, 13 eps of bsg)

[P2J]

when is the rest of the season showed

the rest of the season airs after the first of the year. march i think...probably right after sga ends so they can have 23 weeks of 'all new' programming (10 of sga, 13 eps of bsg)

as of right now (according to scifi stream (show status)

ON HOLD. The first 10 episodes of Season Four have been produced, and are expected to begin airing in April. The rest of the final, 20-episode season is on hold due to the Writer's Guild of America strike.

but hey anything is possible ....like it has been said before season 4 could air on NBC becuase of the writers strike.

http://www.scifistream.com/story.php...---_We_Mean_It

[Skydiver]

but i thought s4 of bsg was only 13 eps?

or did scifi originally only want 13 but moore compromised and said 'end it after s4 but gimme 20'

[Trek_Girl42]

but i thought s4 of bsg was only 13 eps?

or did scifi originally only want 13 but moore compromised and said 'end it after s4 but gimme 20'

I don't think it was ever going to be thirteen- the number was always twenty, with the season airing in two blocks of ten. It's just that there are only thirteen of the twenty eps made so far.

I think thirteen was more a number that fans were throwing around- hoping for two more thirteen ep seasons.

[ori soldier]

not sure if any1 has mentioned this yet but i just spotted a major goof... when the cylon board and kendra realises that gina is a cylon , they just they all the toasters on the ship didn't even mentioned how they were defeated

[SoulReaver]

not sure if any1 has mentioned this yet but i just spotted a major goof... when the cylon board and kendra realises that gina is a cylon , they just they all the toasters on the ship didn't even mentioned how they were defeated

come again ?

[Skydiver]

i think what he means is....when kendra shoots and outs gina, we see at least one toaster walking in front of six and there is no mention of the crew killing all the boarders

[Matt G]

1. "So say we all" was very freaky.

2. Even I got the TOS references given that I liked the original movie as a kid!

3. Cain was very fracked in the head, Adama has a point in that it took Roslyn to keep him sane in the early days. Still, yes I can understand stuff like that early raid and shooting the XO. Back then they thought they were the last remnant of humanity. To screw over the civilians like that though? What the hell did Cain think she was fighting for? Did she honestly think she could take on the Cylons with only one Battlestar?

4. Kendra was an interesting player generally. I reckon it took that chat with Starbuck to realise that she's screwed up.

5. Who played young Will Adama? Didn't see anything in the credits. Jamie Bamber with a slightly different accent?

6. Interesting deal with Starbuck, Cylon mind games?

[Skydiver]

as to messing with the civilians....i don't think cain was thinking of much beyond immediate survival and revenge

practicality and the survival of the human race as a whole...amongst the crew of her ship is too small of a genetic pool for the humans to survive for long. the civilians would have been a large dose of new dna

of course, i don't think cain ever planned to survive. I think she planned to 'go out fighting' and take a basestar or three with her.

In that way, she mirrors the original cain, who was last seen making a suicide run at a basestar or two

I think her quest for revenge blinded her to everything but anything that woudl help her. and 'helpless' civilians would be a hinderance, not a help

[ori soldier]

i think what he means is....when kendra shoots and outs gina, we see at least one toaster walking in front of six and there is no mention of the crew killing all the boarders

thats what i meant

[escyos]

The old-school cylons did have swords on their belts and it is pulled out at least once.
Also the original cylons werent built by man..i remember theres a scene in one old episode where apollo is talking to Boxey and tells him the cylons were made by a reptilian race called the cylons and that they had died out many "yaherns ago" (years ago)

[Evil_Genius_McKay]

1. "So say we all" was very freaky.

2. Even I got the TOS references given that I liked the original movie as a kid!

3. Cain was very fracked in the head, Adama has a point in that it took Roslyn to keep him sane in the early days. Still, yes I can understand stuff like that early raid and shooting the XO. Back then they thought they were the last remnant of humanity. To screw over the civilians like that though? What the hell did Cain think she was fighting for? Did she honestly think she could take on the Cylons with only one Battlestar?

4. Kendra was an interesting player generally. I reckon it took that chat with Starbuck to realise that she's screwed up.

5. Who played young Will Adama? Didn't see anything in the credits. Jamie Bamber with a slightly different accent?

6. Interesting deal with Starbuck, Cylon mind games?

Cain was messed up seriously. Her decision of how to deal with the civilians made no tactical sense. The military exists to protect the civilian populace. Without them there is no need for the military. It was her battle mistakes(sending everyone she had at the cylons in a unwinnable situation) that put the Pegasus in a bad position anyways. If she hadn't squandered their resources and men and ships fighting the cylons they wouldn't have had to strong-arm the civilians. She was a very poor commander and a tyrant IMO. The only hard decision she made I agreed with was to make the blind jump which was their only option when they did it.

[Skydiver]

i have to disagree. It made perfect tactial sense. Make the most of your resources by limiting the number of people you have using them.

She went over the manifests, only absorbed those that coudl be of use to the crew or fill in the gaps of those killed in the original attack.

It ws morally reprehensible. It made no sense at all for the long term survival of the crew (from a genetic reproduction stand point)

but for the short term, immediate survival of her crew, it made perfect sense

[Mefusta]

i have to disagree. It made perfect tactial sense. Make the most of your resources by limiting the number of people you have using them.

She went over the manifests, only absorbed those that coudl be of use to the crew or fill in the gaps of those killed in the original attack.

It ws morally reprehensible. It made no sense at all for the long term survival of the crew (from a genetic reproduction stand point)

but for the short term, immediate survival of her crew, it made perfect sense

Exactly. Considering that, unlike Adama, Cain didn't have a game plan to perpetuate the human species, it makes perfect sense from a tactical point of view.

It's a war that humanity has lost. For all intents and purposes, mankind is already extinct. Cain simply believed that they shouldn't give up and accept their destruction, but rather go out in a blaze of glory, raging against the storm. When she found the civilians, she was so set in her mindset that there was simply no chance for any meaningful survival that she didn't see the fleet as people, just resources be exploited in their fight against the Cylons. In a truly final war, her looting of the Scylla's fleet was completely justified both morally and tactically.

[Evil_Genius_McKay]

Exactly. Considering that, unlike Adama, Cain didn't have a game plan to perpetuate the human species, it makes perfect sense from a tactical point of view.

It's a war that humanity has lost. For all intents and purposes, mankind is already extinct. Cain simply believed that they shouldn't give up and accept their destruction, but rather go out in a blaze of glory, raging against the storm. When she found the civilians, she was so set in her mindset that there was simply no chance for any meaningful survival that she didn't see the fleet as people, just resources be exploited in their fight against the Cylons. In a truly final war, her looting of the Scylla's fleet was completely justified both morally and tactically.

Thinking two feet in front of you is NOT an acceptable plan. Especially for an officer who has the rank of admiral. That is extreme shortsidedness on her part. I don't care if she thought her ship and her people were last humans in existence. You then have to be even more cautious in engaging the enemy, perhaps even hiding out for years until you increase your numbers. There is winning a battle and winning a war. Winning the war is always the ultimate goal.

I understand her motivation for doing what she did. I'm just saying her mental and moral compass was all frakked up.