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[An-Alteran]

Can you guys scale the Aurora type/class ships please?

Here are a few good images of the entire ship from the model maker:
http://www.essencedesignworks.com/Orion.html

I think you could if you used that shot where they zoomed into the bridge to use the height of one of the people, measure it to the bridge, and use that to determine the size of the bridge section, then measure the ship using these images to that.

What do you think?

[Buba uognarf]

Can you guys scale the Aurora type/class ships please?

Here are a few good images of the entire ship from the model maker:
http://www.essencedesignworks.com/Orion.html

I think you could if you used that shot where they zoomed into the bridge to use the height of one of the people, measure it to the bridge, and use that to determine the size of the bridge section, then measure the ship using these images to that.

What do you think?

the Aurora class is over 1km long, this comes from the guy who designed it http://www.essencedesignworks.com/Aroura.html

[Mister Oragahn]

With wraith cruisers possibly between 500 and 600 m long (based on episode Aurora).
I'm really glad that the hiveship lenght has been sort of confirmed twice now since I tried to figure it out.
At least, that's probably the very first semi official ship/city dimension we ever get since Stargate exists (I didn't read the books, and I don't even know if they're canon anyway).

[An-Alteran]

There's a difference though. In the picture above, the faceplate clearly looks like dried bone, like it's grown out of the skull.
So, true, with biotech, you don't know where naturally grown appendages stops and fused parts begins, a bit like a biomechanoid.

It's true that Misbegotten had no Wraith wear such a faceplate. But there's another possibility. These Wraith are just so weak and down the chain that they simply don't survive dewraithizer.



Adding to Ouro's reply and to post here what he discussed about a bit earlier on, I have to say that we don't know how efficient the shield tech on the Daedalus is.
As I see it, a ZPM is just damn powerful, significantly more than what the higher figures of Echoes.
Even if I'm wrong anyway, the point is that we don't how much of good use the shields make of the ZPM.

Say we got two Power Sources.

PS A, the by default one, gives you a power of 1 unit of energy per second. Now, let's assume this translates into 5 units of shielding per second.

Now, we get got PW B (the ZPM), rare and all. We plug it to the ship's systems and power conduits. PS B has a power of 1,000,000 units of energy per second. The factor between the two power sourcse is 1,000,000.
Now, does that mean that the shield now have a yield of 5,000,000 units of shielding per second? (100% efficiency)

I believe that 304s shields couldn't even take advantage of a decent percentage of the power provided by a ZPM. The limiting factor being the shield tech, or the power conduits (even if the feat achieved in Echoes is insane and proves that the Daedalus has power conduits which can at least maintain that flux of energy, which is quite insane, and puts to shame many SF universes).

Maybe in the final part of SG-1's 10th season, the other 304 using a ZPM will provide a figure, either by dialogue or visual, but it will have to be properly analyzed and taken with a grain of salt at first, before assuming anything wrong.

I would say that a ZPM has several factors.
It can only normally produce X amount of energy.
X is very large. But still limited.
All the ZPM's energy can be used at once if it is dumped into a power drain that will not overload the ZPM.

X is the maximum energy a ZPM can normally produce.
U is the energy used.
R is the rate it is drawn from.
RR is the maximum rate.
D is the duration it is used For.
C is the total charge.
T is the time it takes at the maximum rate it would take to drain the ZPM.

So the equation would be something like:
X(RR) >/ U(R)
With X(T)=C

The Daedalus would only be able to pull so much power so fast, at U(R)<X(R).

So the ZPMs full provision is not used.

the Aurora class is over 1km long, this comes from the guy who designed it http://www.essencedesignworks.com/Aroura.html

I meant exact measurments.
Could you guys?
It would be nice to have the measurments.

My estimations give a measurment between 1200 and 1300 meters long.
380-400 meters wide at the engine, and 310-330 at the wide midpoint section.
And around 150-180 meters in height.
1.2k-1.3k long.

I want a more proffessional oppinion.

[quasarsky]

the darts use a similar tech the same way rings transport people as matter to another set of rings. i think

[Mister Oragahn]

I would say that a ZPM has several factors.
It can only normally produce X amount of energy.
X is very large. But still limited.
All the ZPM's energy can be used at once if it is dumped into a power drain that will not overload the ZPM.

X is the maximum energy a ZPM can normally produce.
U is the energy used.
R is the rate it is drawn from.
RR is the maximum rate.
D is the duration it is used For.
C is the total charge.
T is the time it takes at the maximum rate it would take to drain the ZPM.

So the equation would be something like:
X(RR) >/ U(R)
With X(T)=C

The Daedalus would only be able to pull so much power so fast, at U(R)<X(R).

So the ZPMs full provision is not used.

Yep. I'm not even sure Lantian systems can transfer the whole energy of a ZPM under one second.

I meant exact measurments.
Could you guys?
It would be nice to have the measurments.

My estimations give a measurment between 1200 and 1300 meters long.
380-400 meters wide at the engine, and 310-330 at the wide midpoint section.
And around 150-180 meters in height.
1.2k-1.3k long.

I want a more proffessional oppinion.

That would be for another thread. That said, 1200 m is not far from "over 1 km long".
So I guess the truth lies between 1 km and 1.2 km.

Now, back on topic.
There are few updates that should pop out in the near future. We're planning to put some kind of index, with links directly leading to specific posts in that thread.
I also have another mini essay on the hiveships during the war millenia ago and about wraith industry as a whole.

[Øsiris øf the Øri]

I would just like to point out the fact that the creator of this thread is forgetting the fact that the original hiveships designed for season 1 were redesigned to be more functional and so that they would look better. Now the "falling stars" were only seen in season 1. Season 2-3 show the larger energy bolts now. Couldn't this just be a change in design rather then some grand energy flucuation in the wraith data processors which allows the flux capacitor to overload sending out higher yields....anyone else get the point? Don't take it all so seriously wait for in canon estimates. In 8 years the Hatak ships from sg-1 changed at least 4 times. It happens don't make it into some study. Its a waste of brainpower that could be used elsewhere.


note for An-Alteran- full view of an Aurora class ship http://www.essencedesignworks.com/Orion.html props of the creator himself and the size of the original warship
http://www.essencedesignworks.com/Aroura.html

[Mister Oragahn]

I would just like to point out the fact that the creator of this thread is forgetting the fact that the original hiveships designed for season 1 were redesigned to be more functional and so that they would look better. Now the "falling stars" were only seen in season 1. Season 2-3 show the larger energy bolts now.

As a matter of fact, the picture included to the essay illustrates the falling stars fired upon Atlantis, in season 2.
The exact same episode where the "fireballs" were also used during the battle between the 304 and the hiveships.

So the fact is, the falling stars were the latest weapons fired by the Wraith in that episode.
We're clearly beyond a mere matter of interseasonal redesign.

Couldn't this just be a change in design rather then some grand energy flucuation in the wraith data processors which allows the flux capacitor to overload sending out higher yields....anyone else get the point? Don't take it all so seriously wait for in canon estimates. In 8 years the Hatak ships from sg-1 changed at least 4 times. It happens don't make it into some study. Its a waste of brainpower that could be used elsewhere.

I am not aware of any major new triangle based Ha'tak design besides the two ones that already exist.

[Ouroboros]

I would just like to point out the fact that the creator of this thread is forgetting the fact that the original hiveships designed for season 1 were redesigned to be more functional and so that they would look better.

Oh and how we wish they'd stuck to it to. We found an episode where the hiveship changes from the old to new style which caused us to come up with what we call the "mighty morphin hiveship" theory.

Basically the theory goes that hiveships are actually made when several smaller Wraith ships of various differing colours combine together in a sort of musical/martial arts posing montage to form a hiveship.

[Mister Oragahn]

Yup, it was kinda annoying. The older style looked like it was already largely worn out. I liked the addition of the giant pinchers on each side. Obviously, if the latest design is to be considered the official only one, then any analysis of the supertructure and armor of a hiveship should be largely based on this latest model, SoD apart.

[CouchPotator]

You could simply say that there are 2 hive ship designs with similer capabilities

[Mister Oragahn]

You could simply say that there are 2 hive ship designs with similer capabilities

All depends on the way we have to consider the older design. I mean, if we're supposed to mentally replace every occurance of the first design with the new one, there's no point in insisting on the existence of two different designs.

[Ouroboros]

You could simply say that there are 2 hive ship designs with similer capabilities

Not when it's the same ship changing through the course of a single episode.

[Mister Oragahn]

Ahoy!

There's some heavy update on the way. Besides, I'm actually working on a layman friendly description of the composition and mechanics of a ZPM, based on all evidence gathered here and there, in the goal to tie all information together. This could likely have large consequences on a couple of numbers present in the actual version.

[Mister Oragahn]

Here we go. Things are starting to get a bit more organized there, so it's time to edit that post, and add the first link to an index which will grow in size as long as the discussion will go on and new points will be made.

Index

1. The Wraith Empire's True War Machine (page 4)
   
   
   

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