Everything you ever wanted to know about Hiveships/Wraith.

[webxro]

I have a question , i was looking at the cave painting and i had in mind a resupply vessel ,a ship bigger than a dart that uses a beam , i mean looking at the size of the hive in the pic , let's just say that it's to small , so could a ship like this exist ?
Remember that we see a crashed resupply ship ( can't remember the episode ).

I hope i expressed my ideas in a clear manner .

[Mister Oragahn]

I think the crashed ship from "The Defiant One" had a part of its structure protruding out of the ground which looked like one of those tails on the Cruisers.
I wish we had seen a bit more variety in ship designs. It's yawney.

[Ouroboros]

I have a question , i was looking at the cave painting and i had in mind a resupply vessel ,a ship bigger than a dart that uses a beam , i mean looking at the size of the hive in the pic , let's just say that it's to small , so could a ship like this exist ?
Remember that we see a crashed resupply ship ( can't remember the episode ).

I hope i expressed my ideas in a clear manner .

There's actually an otherwise disused CGI model that more closely resembles this thing. It can be seen flying over Shep's puddle jumper when he gets to the planet in "Letters from Pegasus". It's never seen again though as far as I know.

[The Flyattractor]

Didn't the hives themselves go thru a bit of a design change from those early eps as well?

[Mister Oragahn]

There's actually an otherwise disused CGI model that more closely resembles this thing. It can be seen flying over Shep's puddle jumper when he gets to the planet in "Letters from Pegasus". It's never seen again though as far as I know.

Nope, it was just a hiveship, but all ships in that sequence were just damn blurred. The models were probably not very refined, so they just made sure the details didn't stick out too much.
It's also the same footage reused in "Submersion", iirc.

Didn't the hives themselves go thru a bit of a design change from those early eps as well?

Yep. I prefer the models which have much less silly light bands randomly applied to the hull. For example, those of "The Siege" Part II and III are much better than those of "Misbegotten".
There are other differences, for example in how the thrusters' frames are more exposed from one model to another. There also are differences in the "boobs" (mm huh-uh, someone has to pay attention to that).

[Ouroboros]

Nope, it was just a hiveship, but all ships in that sequence were just damn blurred. The models were probably not very refined, so they just made sure the details didn't stick out too much.
It's also the same footage reused in "Submersion", iirc.

You sure, this thing looks pretty different to me. Though granted it does seem to change into the old S1 hive model in the next series of shots.



It's to bad the pic isn't bigger.

[Mister Oragahn]

Yes, it's a hive, with quite a lot of perspective. What's notable is the relative size of the cruisers. One day I think it will be simpler to assume that there are some +5 km long hiveships and some which are 11 km long.
Of course if we go down that road, we'd have to accept the 1 km long hiveships from BAMSR.
When I think of that, I can only remember what I read about the hassle the ROTJ crew went through to make sure all rebel fighters remained of the same size. No wonder it still is the mother of all space battles to date, despite the age related glitches.

[webxro]

Yes, it's a hive, with quite a lot of perspective. What's notable is the relative size of the cruisers. One day I think it will be simpler to assume that there are some +5 km long hiveships and some which are 11 km long.
Of course if we go down that road, we'd have to accept the 1 km long hiveships from BAMSR.
When I think of that, I can only remember what I read about the hassle the ROTJ crew went through to make sure all rebel fighters remained of the same size. No wonder it's the still the mother of all space battles to date, despite the age related glitches.

Maybe those are hives that grew to different dimensions

[The Flyattractor]

You sure, this thing looks pretty different to me. Though granted it does seem to change into the old S1 hive model in the next series of shots.



It's to bad the pic isn't bigger.

Maybe those were older hives.
A older design model.
And being older,thus more expendable and that is why they were sent first to attack Atlantis.
Get a fell for what they were up against,and how to take better steps against it.

[Mister Oragahn]

Well what's clear is that they would not send their "real" hives to the butchery.

[Kamosis]

About the lights in the exterior of the Hive ships I always thinked it was some sort of comunication between hive Ships, like the fishs in deep waters.

Hive ships have minds of their own? I was thinking if there would be some sort of wild Hive Ship, without being manipulated by the Wraiths.

[The Flyattractor]

Hive ships have minds of their own? I was thinking if there would be some sort of wild Hive Ship, without being manipulated by the Wraiths.

That sounds like a cool plot idea.

[escyos]

About the lights in the exterior of the Hive ships I always thinked it was some sort of comunication between hive Ships, like the fishs in deep waters.

Hive ships have minds of their own? I was thinking if there would be some sort of wild Hive Ship, without being manipulated by the Wraiths.

I doubt it, but if they do then it would have had a labotamy and needed imput to do anything.

[Kamosis]

Well we already know that the Wraiths use mental control to drive the Hive Ships and even if a humam has a lobotomy he still has the autonomous nervous system

[WraithRichard]

Has anything been said as to why, when the're telepathic, the controls that do require manual labor make sound sounds?

[drewmanr]

I have a single question about your' article on hiveships. Have you considered the possibility that the hiveships were originally massive capitals ships designed for beseiging planets, but have been devolved to fit their current needs as "flying colonies," as you put it? Or that maybe the massive shipyards you theorize existed were disassembled for the raw materials needed to replenish or enlarge the wraith fleets in existance at the end of the war? All of these seem in the very least plausible in my opinion.

[Mister Oragahn]

I have a single question about your' article on hiveships. Have you considered the possibility that the hiveships were originally massive capitals ships designed for beseiging planets, but have been devolved to fit their current needs as "flying colonies," as you put it? Or that maybe the massive shipyards you theorize existed were disassembled for the raw materials needed to replenish or enlarge the wraith fleets in existance at the end of the war? All of these seem in the very least plausible in my opinion.

There indeed is an idea that the hiveships we saw in the show, besides not being as good as they would have been during the war, were converted for the era of peace and Wraith dominance. In general, a ship doesn't tend to be so massive if there isn't a purpose to that. The Wraith don't appear to fancy exuberant architectures fitting to a megalomaniac. They're much more down to earth than the Goa'uld. If there's a big void inside a ship, there's a purpose to that. That's the idea. So the vast caverns we see inside hive ships, they either had to be filled with legions of darts or used to house other things at some point. Heck, even the whole absurd path the darts have to take to get out of a hiveship, you know, flying up and down giant and tortuous arteries obstructed by plenty of smaller structures stretching from one side to the opposite one, that just doesn't strike me as practical. It's like the idea of carrying darts was an after thought. So much that the whole artery+hatch could have initially been some kind of system used to flush particles or some substances, even probes, mines, organic waste or else.

As for the shipyards, as the show advanced, we saw that in theory, ships could be grown. Whether they needed to be grown from a formerly assembled rigid metal frame/skeleton or not was up to debate, the former clearly limiting the industrial possibilities and requiring the metal frames to be built or grown by specialized organisms.
We saw that the Wraith had cloning tech, could grow Wraith bone... erm, Wraith hulls I mean out of nothing as long as energy was supplied. Either that meant they could technically convert energy into matter, but according to E=mc², that would require phenomenal amounts of power, or the matter was extracted from somewhere else and perhaps solidified.
A human mind could be used to serve as the mind that would then be found at the heart of a hive ship.
It's totally possible that the use of humans or even Lanteans to grow hiveships was of prime importance.
There's plenty of potential reasons for that, and if Ourobouros wouldn't mind, I may then go look back at some discussions we had and present some ideas here. However, they have a lot to do with extrapolation.
It's unknown if the seed of a hiveship could be planted inside a Wraith (perhaps this would have terrible consequences, requiring the hiveship itself to feed on sentient life capable of ascension at some unprecedented scale), or if a seed can even grow on its own, bearing the guiding from a central computer core serving as some rudimentary or advanced intelligence.
It's also particular because we can't be 100% certain that the growing capacity was pure Wraith and not a late invention by Michael, who wanted to grow his own forces. It's possible that his plan was to allow that substance, generally only used by the Wraith and on selected subjects (either Wraith or perhaps humans, who knows?), to be used on his hybrids.

[Mister Oragahn]

Has anything been said as to why, when the're telepathic, the controls that do require manual labor make sound sounds?

Nothing more than GUI convenience I guess.