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    Asurans are NOT Replicators!

    Why does everyone assume everything the Asurans have is made out of replicators? They're not!

    They made Atlantis's sister city out of normal materials, they made their ships out of normal materials. Just because they're like the replicators, doesn't mean they do everything exactly the same as them.

    Asurans take human form, unlike replicators who mostly take bug form. Asurans are more like the Ancients than MW replicators.

    So STOP assuming everything the Asurans make are made with nanites!
    These are the wrong people... in the wrong place.

    #2
    See, people blame the writers for inoriginality, so that when we show that there is a difference after all, they can't seem to figure that out.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Detox View Post
      Why does everyone assume everything the Asurans have is made out of replicators? They're not!

      They made Atlantis's sister city out of normal materials, they made their ships out of normal materials. Just because they're like the replicators, doesn't mean they do everything exactly the same as them.

      Asurans take human form, unlike replicators who mostly take bug form. Asurans are more like the Ancients than MW replicators.

      So STOP assuming everything the Asurans make are made with nanites!
      The problem with what your trying to suggest idn't logical. You say they aren't Replicators because not everything they create are made with Nanites. However what they do is Replicate, just because it's not all with Nanites. Doesn't mean that they aren't. Look at the Reps in IDA & MW. Not everything they had was exclusively made of Nanites.

      Simply put, they are Replicators. They are the original strain. Which is why if you watch 'Progeny', 'The Return I & II'. You will see that they're called Replicators. In 'The Real World' you see their Nanites replicating inside Weir etc.

      The ones from SG-1 were made by a returning Lantean scientist, who made Reece. Therefore they are the same. The difference between the ones who fought the Asgard & are now fighting the SGA team is that of materials.

      The IDA ones didn't have automatic knowledge, so they gained it from getting control of Asgard tech. They did this until they got to a point where they could then create more complex machines (the human form ones). The Asurans, weren't originally human. In 'Progeny', Niam says that they began forming more complex machines until they mimicked that of their creators. The only difference is that they automatically had the Lantean knowledge, whereas the IDA ones had to learn about advanced tech themselves.

      Both started off as something else, both eventually formed more complex machines that turned them human. They can infect you with nanites, they can probe your mind with their hand etc, etc. The disruptor weapons that affect them are based on the same thing the Asgard used to destroy the Reps in their galaxy with.


      Heck the guns are even called - ARG's (Anti Replicator Guns). So the bottom line is that they are Replicators, simple as.

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        #4
        Put SPOILERS in the title. Yes they are replicators. But there are three more things different. One the
        Spoiler:
        Asurans can breathe( we don't know if the MW human form replicators can). They can also replicate off of cells, something the MW replicators can't do. They make their ships out of normal materials. The Asurans have the knowledge of the Ancients. The Asurans don't need a particular substance to make human form replicators.
        Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth or easy...

        ... or that any man can measure the tides and hurricanes he will
        encounter on the strange journey.


        Spoiler:

        2 Cor. 10:3-5
        3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
        4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; )
        5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

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          #5
          Detox- The asurans evolved into the form they are today, just as the replicators were slowly evolving into the human form versions, the Asurans might have even been bugs at some stage of their artificial evolution.

          Ltcolshepjumper- That's an assumption, we haven't been told what the Asurans are made out of yet nor have we seen a new one created. We know they are partly artificial and partly organic, we don't know if they need a particular substance to make up the artificial part.

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            #6
            But it's apparent that the Asuran nanites can replicate off of each other, like the bugs, hence they statement 'only a few are needed to replicate'. But why didn't TPTB try to make a real connection between the Hot Zone virus and the Asurans? The Hot Zone virus was suppose to hurt humans. They made you hallucinate too. I originally thought it was because of the wraith genetics put into the Asurans( in order to help them targets them) but now I'm not so sure. It would have been better if they had just made a new enemy( they still could have ben nanites, just w/o the replicators abilities)
            Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth or easy...

            ... or that any man can measure the tides and hurricanes he will
            encounter on the strange journey.


            Spoiler:

            2 Cor. 10:3-5
            3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
            4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; )
            5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

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              #7
              Spoiler:
              Asurans do in fact breathe. This is very prominent when we see Niam lying on the floor of the jumper


              Now, the only reason people keep equalling the two is because the characters on the show call them both Replicators. And it's not like they've been wrong before, is it?



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                #8
                not to mention the guy who called them replicators is the same guy who blew up 3/4 of a solar system :|

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                  #9
                  It's all about familiarity; if they stuck with the name "Asuran", viewers wouldn't catch on right away that they are replicators, albeit an older model created by the Lanteans.

                  Yes, the Asuran are different: They're emulating Lantean civilization, they're more advanced than the replicators were, and they're not hell bent on integrating new technology into themselves and replicating like the replicators from SG-1 were.

                  I don't really like the idea of them being called replicators, but when it comes down to it, they are.
                  Jarnin's Law of StarGate:

                  1. As a StarGate discussion grows longer, the probability of someone mentioning the Furlings approaches one.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jarnin View Post
                    It's all about familiarity; if they stuck with the name "Asuran", viewers wouldn't catch on right away that they are replicators, albeit an older model created by the Lanteans.

                    Yes, the Asuran are different: They're emulating Lantean civilization, they're more advanced than the replicators were, and they're not hell bent on integrating new technology into themselves and replicating like the replicators from SG-1 were.

                    I don't really like the idea of them being called replicators, but when it comes down to it, they are.
                    That's a stupid reason. People shouldn't bow to the ignorant. Anyone who doesn't know they're Asurans has missed seeing "Progeny", a very important episode (because without seeing it, wouldn't they be questioning the presence of "Replicators" (human form, no less) in the Pegasus Galaxy?)!



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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Wraith_Hunter View Post
                      The ones from SG-1 were made by a returning Lantean scientist, who made Reece. Therefore they are the same.
                      Reece built the Replicators.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Wraith_Hunter View Post
                        The ones from SG-1 were made by a returning Lantean scientist, who made Reece. Therefore they are the same. The difference between the ones who fought the Asgard & are now fighting the SGA team is that of materials.
                        theres been no evidence of that on the show. Its never been said who built reece.

                        all we really know is that they are simlar technology, however thier personality is difference.

                        its possible that reece was made by someone who wasn't even from atlantis.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by FallenAngelII View Post
                          That's a stupid reason.
                          That doesn't mean it's not true.

                          Originally posted by FallenAngelII View Post
                          People shouldn't bow to the ignorant. Anyone who doesn't know they're Asurans has missed seeing "Progeny", a very important episode (because without seeing it, wouldn't they be questioning the presence of "Replicators" (human form, no less) in the Pegasus Galaxy?)!
                          You realize that there are many viewers of SG-1 that don't watch Atlantis, right? I mean, three of my friends don't really watch it on a regular basis. They see every episode of SG-1, but they don't follow Atlantis. Calling the Asuran replicators makes Atlantis more familiar to these folks, who wouldn't otherwise watch the show.

                          Originally posted by Cycrow
                          Originally posted by Wraith_Hunter
                          The ones from SG-1 were made by a returning Lantean scientist, who made Reece. Therefore they are the same. The difference between the ones who fought the Asgard & are now fighting the SGA team is that of materials.
                          theres been no evidence of that on the show. Its never been said who built reece.
                          You're right, but they've alluded to this.

                          Originally posted by Cycrow
                          all we really know is that they are simlar technology, however thier personality is difference.
                          And similar base code; both the Asuran and the Replicators had an aggressive code inserted into their base code which makes them "bad guys". Coincidence?

                          Originally posted by Cycrow
                          its possible that reece was made by someone who wasn't even from atlantis.
                          I'd rate that possibility below nil.

                          The Asuran predate the Replicators. We know that the Lanteans, who created the Asuran, came back to the Milky Way. We know that once they got here, many spread out to different worlds to live out the rest of their lives. Reese was found on a planet in the Milky Way. Reese also had the aggressive code in her base code, which was copied into the replicators when she created them. The replicators later copied Reese's technology and integrated it into themselves in order to become the human form replicators.

                          So you see, Reese was created by a Lantean, probably one of the Lanteans who worked on creating the Asuran, since they had both contained the flawed base code. Just because the writers haven't written it into some dialog doesn't mean it's not so.
                          Jarnin's Law of StarGate:

                          1. As a StarGate discussion grows longer, the probability of someone mentioning the Furlings approaches one.

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                            #14
                            Why should they make it easier for non-Atlantis watchers who do watch SG-1? It's not like they're automatically going to like the show more if they find out we have "Replicators".



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                              #15
                              They can replicate themselves, so they are replicators

                              what is the problem ?
                              Hallowed are the Ori !!!
                              Follow the path of the Enlightment !
                              Why Sg1 !!?? Why not me!!?? Why !!??

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