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    I think somewhere there might be a thread like this but I can't find it so I'm starting a new one here.

    In the future...very soon I hope...the Stargate program is made public to the world, the truth about aliens and the ancient history of man is revealed.

    What do we do now?

    If we don't destroy ourselves I say we as the people of Earth need to take to space in mass. Start large scale colonies, build a fleet ships to explore and to find new resources, begin the systematic freeing of enslaved worlds and ultimately bring the entire galaxy under one great union as we defeat our great and evil enemies.

    Now how do we do this....???
    "Khattam-Shud," he said slowly, "is the Arch-Enemy
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    Silence and the Foe of Speech. And because everything ends,
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    Basically we should only colonize planets that are closest to us and, obviously, we don't invade other people's territory. If we became some sort of nasty race of people not unlike the Galactic Empire from Star Wars, I don't think the Asgard would like our space colonization efforts too much
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    I don't see that kind of planetary unity in the near future.

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    Well if the Earth won't come together and colonize the galaxy then America will have to do most of the work...and most people don't want that do they?
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    "Khattam-Shud," he said slowly, "is the Arch-Enemy
    of all Stories, even of Language itself. He is the Prince of
    Silence and the Foe of Speech. And because everything ends,
    because dreams end, stories end, life ends, at the finish
    of everything we use his name. 'It's finished,' we tell one
    another, 'it's over. Khattam-Shud: The End.'"

    -excerpted from Haroun and the Sea of Stories,

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    1) First we need to get lots of mining colonizes; we will be need lots of Naq. and Tritium.

    2) Build off world command centers, in order to set up as many colonies as possible in the shortest amount of time. We also need to set up heavily armed basses of operations like the SGC on other planets.

    3) Start building a fleet of ships to explore planets outside the gate network and build construction facilities on other planets.

    4) Start making treaties with other planets, we will arm them with weapons if they agree to help us fight the Goa'uld (sounds bad I know )

    5) Get other advance races to help us with our technology, and make treaties with them, trade, military, non-aggression etc.

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    What else....
    "Khattam-Shud," he said slowly, "is the Arch-Enemy
    of all Stories, even of Language itself. He is the Prince of
    Silence and the Foe of Speech. And because everything ends,
    because dreams end, stories end, life ends, at the finish
    of everything we use his name. 'It's finished,' we tell one
    another, 'it's over. Khattam-Shud: The End.'"

    -excerpted from Haroun and the Sea of Stories,

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    I have not had sleep for a day or so now, so if this post seems weird it is the lack of sleep, plus I'm waiting for the Ambien to kick in.

    If the world does not unit after the Stargate goes public than I think America should take steps to create a "Global America". I mean we should not let other peaty nations stop us from our manifest destiny. Like the Aschen, we will take control of entire planets and make them serve our needs. We will go forth from one side of the galaxy to the other and build a great galactic empire.

    This stuff is not for the faint of heart I'm talking about returning to the wars of conquest and expansion.

    The other nations of the world do not stand a chance to defend themselves against the military/economic/social might of the USA. I know we will have lots of resistance, especial from the Middle East, China, Russia, and Western Europe but as it stands; we are the only defense against alien invasion, what they are going to us. In addition, we are also the only nation with a huge space ship, how are you going to fight a nation with a spaceship and alien technology.

    First the Earth, the galaxy, then the local galactic group.
    "Khattam-Shud," he said slowly, "is the Arch-Enemy
    of all Stories, even of Language itself. He is the Prince of
    Silence and the Foe of Speech. And because everything ends,
    because dreams end, stories end, life ends, at the finish
    of everything we use his name. 'It's finished,' we tell one
    another, 'it's over. Khattam-Shud: The End.'"

    -excerpted from Haroun and the Sea of Stories,

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    I'd say we'd have to sort out our own problems before we try anything like that-poverty would be number one on my list...

    Though if we managed to put aside our differences and address our problems I'd do this:

    1) Create a constitution, partly based upon the American model and partly based upon the UN charter; perhaps prime directives could be established?

    2) Define, or at least attempt to, what our lives are really about and what's important

    3) Promote cultural, historical and social exchange

    4) Defeat the Goa'uld-form a coalition

    5) Self determination to all people's formerly under Goa'uld control

    6) Promote trade

    7) Co-ordinate research

    8) Hope that this is not some idealistic dream..

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    Quote Originally Posted by power_ranger
    I'd say we'd have to sort out our own problems before we try anything like that-poverty would be number one on my list...

    Theory's good but I've heard arguments that solving poverty has to come before any serious exploration of space which bugs me slightly as I don't see why we can't get to work on both projects similtaneously(add the fact that Earth's serious exploration of space has been my main dream for humanity since I was a kid).

    Now you're making the same arguments to delay serious exploration even in a universe where there are known interstellar bad guys. How long will the Goa'uld, Wraith etc have a free run while we're 'solving our own problems?'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt G
    Theory's good but I've heard arguments that solving poverty has to come before any serious exploration of space which bugs me slightly as I don't see why we can't get to work on both projects similtaneously
    Given the situation in the Stargate universe, space exploration is a practical road to solving poverty. Not only does it open new possibilities for trade, but for those poor and disenfranchised people on Earth, it also offers an opportunity to escape poverty through colonization.

    I just got a mental picture of the Stargate with a banner above it that says "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses..." and a LOOooooooong line of people waiting to step through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfury
    Given the situation in the Stargate universe, space exploration is a practical road to solving poverty. Not only does it open new possibilities for trade, but for those poor and disenfranchised people on Earth, it also offers an opportunity to escape poverty through colonization.

    I just got a mental picture of the Stargate with a banner above it that says "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses..." and a LOOooooooong line of people waiting to step through.
    Right with you there though I've been shut down when I've offerered similar theories elsewhere(OK, I didn't bring in the Stargate but...). Last time I tried it the reply I got was along the lines of 'If your best solution to an African familiy's poverty was travelling to other planets then they'd be serverely insulted as that sort of thing is inconcievable to them'.

    In short - we need to find a Stargate!

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    Yeah, well it's probably true that if we offered people the chance to go through the Stargate, not many would believe us--at least at first. Plus, it'd be scary. But there would be some eager enough, or desperate enough, to give it a chance. And I think it'd become a sort of snowball effect, then eventually peter off to more of a slow dribble of people coming or going.

    I wonder if it would make a difference to "3rd world" people if there were offered to colonize a planet already populated by people who originally came from their own ancient culture. That would really be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt G
    Theory's good but I've heard arguments that solving poverty has to come before any serious exploration of space which bugs me slightly as I don't see why we can't get to work on both projects similtaneously(add the fact that Earth's serious exploration of space has been my main dream for humanity since I was a kid).

    Now you're making the same arguments to delay serious exploration even in a universe where there are known interstellar bad guys. How long will the Goa'uld, Wraith etc have a free run while we're 'solving our own problems?'.
    Good Point Matt G; i wasn't suggesting that we would give the wraith or goa'uld a "free run"-one cannot hide from tyrany and hope for the best. All I was suggesting that it should be a goal to try to unite people worldwide, to promote understanding and to ensure that the stargate, and for that matter, that any beneficial technology (such as medicine etc, etc) be shared out with everybody......... while at the same time kickin' goa'uld ass... the SGC has made good progress towards that end.


    IMO, if our race is to explore space than we must be equals; one country alone cannot express the views of another....as you pointed out, this could, and probably should, be done at the same time, though I doubt it could work; the US processing the stargate alone would be perceived as a grave threat to the security of various nations.


    And when you think about it, the Asgard and the Ancients managed it so I guess we could...if the writers were to include some type of "Earth Galactic Union" into the series finale imo it would allow the show to end with a positive and progressive "feel" to it.

    Well, thats my 2 cents please feel free to comment on my view..
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    I'd have no problem exploring the possibility of the Stargate being made public knowledge. But starting a Galactic Union or United Systems? If you want that I have a few suggestions. Maybe we could start an institution as you suggest. It can be called the United Federation of Planets. We could even initiate a Prime Directive forbidding us from interfering with the development of other civilizations. After that we can scrap the Stargates, build starships and starship production facilities, let everyone carry phasers instead of P90s, beam them down to planets, and travel with warp drives. We could even get really technical and make everyone wear color coded uniforms, and in future Stargate series the guys who wear..oh I don't know..the red uniforms are the ones who always get killed. Oh and we can also name the fleet flagship the Enterprise. Then to top it all off we can close down this website since Stargate will have officially become Star Trek.
    Sorry for the sarcasm but I couldn't help myself. This idea has been done to death with multiple Trek series and films. Stargate works because it is what it is-the underdog Tauri holding their own against galactic bad boys. My skin crawls when I see an SG-1 episode where everyone is riding on a ship and beaming all over and the Stargate is nowhere to be found (Ark of Truth anyone?). I believe Stargate should retain its own identity and stay away from what others have already done. Besides, we've already had our share of Star Trek run ins- Mr. Picardo, Mr. DeLancie (sp.), and others. That is more than enough for my taste. Again, didn't mean to sound like an ass but I just don't think its a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Michael Benjamin View Post
    I'd have no problem exploring the possibility of the Stargate being made public knowledge. But starting a Galactic Union or United Systems? If you want that I have a few suggestions. Maybe we could start an institution as you suggest. It can be called the United Federation of Planets. We could even initiate a Prime Directive forbidding us from interfering with the development of other civilizations. After that we can scrap the Stargates, build starships and starship production facilities, let everyone carry phasers instead of P90s, beam them down to planets, and travel with warp drives. We could even get really technical and make everyone wear color coded uniforms, and in future Stargate series the guys who wear..oh I don't know..the red uniforms are the ones who always get killed. Oh and we can also name the fleet flagship the Enterprise. Then to top it all off we can close down this website since Stargate will have officially become Star Trek.
    Sorry for the sarcasm but I couldn't help myself. This idea has been done to death with multiple Trek series and films. Stargate works because it is what it is-the underdog Tauri holding their own against galactic bad boys. My skin crawls when I see an SG-1 episode where everyone is riding on a ship and beaming all over and the Stargate is nowhere to be found (Ark of Truth anyone?). I believe Stargate should retain its own identity and stay away from what others have already done. Besides, we've already had our share of Star Trek run ins- Mr. Picardo, Mr. DeLancie (sp.), and others. That is more than enough for my taste. Again, didn't mean to sound like an ass but I just don't think its a good idea.
    It always seemed like a logical step to me, to have ships. I mean, it was established in the movie that they existed in the universe. Surely even someone as powerful as Ra wasn't the only entity to have them.

    Besides, the ship episodes are actually a lot of fun. It's a change from the norm, which is good for any show.
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