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    The Ori vs The Borg

    The Ori vs The Borg.

    The Ori could send their followers to get the Borg, but then they'd get assimilated and that'd be it...

    Imagine a Bord-Prior? (sharp indiscrete slightly sexy whistle)
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    #2
    Welll the borg are immensely powerful but they get owned whenever they meet a new type of race, with otherworldly powers. I mean species 8472 almost wiped them all out. I think the Ori would be very resilient. Plus the Ori aren't really... people, they are ascended. The borg would have to ascend as well... and you see where I'm going.
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      #3
      I think he was talking Borg vs. Ori on the mortal plane not the ascended realm/continuum whatever

      Borg might be able to adapt to the Ori cannons but then again they've had trouble in the past adapting to tech superior to their own (8472)

      they might also be able to analyze & adapt their weapons to pierce through Ori ship shields but something tells me this won't be as easy as when they faced their enemies in the ST universe... more likely those ORI shields would easily hold their own against borg disruptors, even 8472 bioguns for that matter


      IMO the borg would be pwned

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        #4
        Against the Ori proper, anyone who thinks the Borg even stand a chance better lay off the funny-colored pills.

        Against their worshippers, they might be able to assimilate large numbers of them in direct physical combat, though it'll be tougher with the Priors, who'd most likely decimate throngs of them before being taken down (if at all), unless the Borg are able to develop their own Prior disruptor (whereupon the Prior's toast).

        As far as ship battles go, I suspect the Ori battlecruiser's main beam weapon would punch a large enough hole right through a Borg cube that it wouldn't be able to repair itself (if there's even anything left), letalone adapt. I doubt a cube's main energy weapons would be particularly effective against the battlecruiser's shields, although I do wonder if the Borg might still be able to somehow beam themselves aboard the ship in order to take it out from within.

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          #5
          The ori would be assimilated (their followers) the borg have thousands of cubes not to mention spheres and other ships....once the borg adapt the ori weapons would be useless
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            #6
            The borg would wipe out the ori. There are millions of borg cubes out there they would adapt shelds and wipe them out. Sg1 will eventually wipe out the ori.

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              #7
              It would be a long and nasty war but the Borg would evenualy crush the Ori. Raw numbers and the Borg ability to adapt would bring the war into their favor.
              Resistance is futile...

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                #8
                Originally posted by nc-1701D
                It would be a long and nasty war but the Borg would evenualy crush the Ori. Raw numbers and the Borg ability to adapt would bring the war into their favor.
                They can't adapt to everything - for example they were powerless against the 8472 bioship guns, Starfleet's transphasic torpedos etc

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by SoulRe@ver
                  They can't adapt to everything - for example they were powerless against the 8472 bioship guns, Starfleet's transphasic torpedos etc
                  they pretty much can...they said in the voyager episode that the borg would eventually adapt and they were slowly adapting to 8472 as the episode progressed the borg ships were able to withstand more hits...

                  for example in the opening sequence cubes were destroyed in a couple of hits later on it takes several to destroy them...

                  and thats if the borg even need to adapt in the first place borg cubes are immensely powerful
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Buba uognarf
                    they pretty much can...they said in the voyager episode that the borg would eventually adapt and they were slowly adapting to 8472 as the episode progressed the borg ships were able to withstand more hits...

                    for example in the opening sequence cubes were destroyed in a couple of hits later on it takes several to destroy them...
                    Not sure about that - depends on the power output of the bioguns - for example during Voyager's first encounter with 8472 the bioship fired a "test shot" at voyager and the shields apparently held with little to no damage on the ship (it only seemed to knock it off course) and Voyager was able to engage its warp drive & escape.
                    It was probably a pot shot meant to test Voyager's defensive capabilities

                    2nd time a bioship fired on Voyager: was while it was escorting the cube - one shot & both shields and weapons went offline

                    3rd time: in fluidic space: one of the 4 bioships fired once at voyager, even worse, shields & weapons offline, main power went down (they had to reroute auxiliary power to be able to fire the nanoprobe torpedos)


                    As for the bioguns vs borg shields, notice that right at the beginning of part 1 it tooks 2 or 3 shots to destroy a cube (with the 3rd shot being fully powered)

                    In part 2, right after Chakotay tells (an unconscious) Janeway he intends to change the deal with the borg (and just before the borg take control of Voyager & take it into 8472 space), we see several bioships exiting a singularity, and 2 of them fire 1 shot each at a cube, destroying it. Again, only 2 shots are needed, the shots were probably fully powered.



                    besides the borg themselves told the crew that the war would eventually be lost (borg cube to Janeway: "our space is vast - your passage would take too much time" and 7/9 to Chakotay: "latest statistical projections indicate that the war will be lost by then") which implies that they knew they had no chance of adapting to 8472.

                    The situation was quite simple actually - the Borg may have been the most advanced race in the galaxy but this enemy was from another universe and it clearly had superior tech

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                      #11
                      Can't we just say that Kirk gets the green woman, Sheppard gets the purple woman and call it a night?

                      Seriously, what's with all this comparing two different shows, with different laws of physics, which take place at different times?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by SoulRe@ver
                        Not sure about that - depends on the power output of the bioguns - for example during Voyager's first encounter with 8472 the bioship fired a "test shot" at voyager and the shields apparently held with little to no damage on the ship (it only seemed to knock it off course) and Voyager was able to engage its warp drive & escape.
                        It was probably a pot shot meant to test Voyager's defensive capabilities

                        2nd time a bioship fired on Voyager: was while it was escorting the cube - one shot & both shields and weapons went offline

                        3rd time: in fluidic space: one of the 4 bioships fired once at voyager, even worse, shields & weapons offline, main power went down (they had to reroute auxiliary power to be able to fire the nanoprobe torpedos)


                        As for the bioguns vs borg shields, notice that right at the beginning of part 1 it tooks 2 or 3 shots to destroy a cube (with the 3rd shot being fully powered)

                        In part 2, right after Chakotay tells (an unconscious) Janeway he intends to change the deal with the borg (and just before the borg take control of Voyager & take it into 8472 space), we see several bioships exiting a singularity, and 2 of them fire 1 shot each at a cube, destroying it. Again, only 2 shots are needed, the shots were probably fully powered.



                        besides the borg themselves told the crew that the war would eventually be lost (borg cube to Janeway: "our space is vast - your passage would take too much time" and 7/9 to Chakotay: "latest statistical projections indicate that the war will be lost by then") which implies that they knew they had no chance of adapting to 8472.

                        The situation was quite simple actually - the Borg may have been the most advanced race in the galaxy but this enemy was from another universe and it clearly had superior tech
                        You're right however it was stated thet the reason was because they were unable to assimilate species 8472 because of a gene that resisted it. Thus they were unable to assimilate any severly restricting their ability to adapt. No such defence for the Ori even if the Priors can't be assimilated they can assimilate the human folowers. Giving them theier knowledge and allowing them to adapt. Think Lokutus
                        Resistance is futile...

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by nc-1701D
                          You're right however it was stated thet the reason was because they were unable to assimilate species 8472 because of a gene that resisted it. Thus they were unable to assimilate any severly restricting their ability to adapt. No such defence for the Ori even if the Priors can't be assimilated they can assimilate the human folowers. Giving them theier knowledge and allowing them to adapt. Think Lokutus
                          yup they were unable to assimilate the aliens because of their superstrong immune system that destroyed the nanoprobes before assimilation could take place - however the borg don't always need to assimilate in order to adapt - they also have the ability to "analyze & adapt", for example they fared quite well against Starfleet weapons. Assimilation allows them to acquire all of a species' tech (actually it's their only means of learning new stuff)

                          Agreed IF they could assimilate a prior they would acquire ancient tech - they'd become practically invincible. But that's a big if
                          Last edited by SoulReaver; 16 August 2006, 01:21 PM.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bragi
                            Seriously, what's with all this comparing two different shows, with different laws of physics, which take place at different times?
                            bah, for starters it's the same galaxy, and besides seriousness is irrelevant: the 2 shows themselves are fiction so what's the harm in merging two fictions into a third, more "fictitious" fiction, eh?

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                              #15
                              Not really. We lowly humans was able to incapacitate a Prior, I'm sure the Borg can.

                              Then in goes the nanoprobes, and any power that the Ori had in our reality will soon be history.

                              And then the Ori wipes the Borg out with their minds.

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