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    Lightbulb Transform the Hiveships, Not the Wraith!

    It has been mentioned a few times on the show that the Hive Ships are organic. Are they somehow alive as well? If so, how about if Beckett and company , instead of inventing gases and injections and retroviruses that turn Wraith into Humans, invent something that will transform the hiveships into another species. It would be great if they could change them into one of those whale things that saved McKay that time, and even better if they could transform them into something that eats Wraith. What do you think?
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    It doesn't work like that, you can't just turn one species into another. The reason Beckett can turn wraith into humans is because they already have a lot of human DNA, all the retro virus does is supress the Wraith DNA leaving only human...

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    Heh, would be pretty funny. A bit like in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

    All of a sudden hive ships start turning into whales, camels, and other various wildlife
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenks
    It doesn't work like that, you can't just turn one species into another. The reason Beckett can turn wraith into humans is because they already have a lot of human DNA, all the retro virus does is supress the Wraith DNA leaving only human...

    I know, I know, but where did the Hive Ships come from originally? Maybe the Wraith engineered them out of something else? In fact, they must have. How would a living space ship occur in nature? The Wraith must have changed something else , and maybe our team can find a way to change them back. I just had another idea. It is close but different. I am going to start a new thread. The Mods may or may not end up merging it with this one.

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    Default Re: Transform the Hiveships, Not the Wraith!

    Maybe the iratus bugs used to grow some sort of hives for themselves, and it just developed into what it is today as they incorporated human DNA into themselves...

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    Well, the organic parts of the ship are probably the product of genetic engineering. But unless they were created in much the same way the Wraith evolved, a retrovirus wouldn't work.

    And even if you could get it to work, there's the problem of getting it in the cells of the ship.
    *And that's all I have to say about that*

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    Default Re: Transform the Hiveships, Not the Wraith!

    Quote Originally Posted by Liam Kincaid
    It has been mentioned a few times on the show that the Hive Ships are organic. Are they somehow alive as well? If so, how about if Beckett and company , instead of inventing gases and injections and retroviruses that turn Wraith into Humans, invent something that will transform the hiveships into another species. It would be great if they could change them into one of those whale things that saved McKay that time, and even better if they could transform them into something that eats Wraith. What do you think?
    Just because something is "organic" does not mean it is alive. There are organic compounds but they are not alive. To be alive, the "organism" in question must have cell membranes or cell walls, carbohydrates, proteins and nucleic acids as well as produce energy molecules such as ATP.

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    Sheppard: (yells to McKay) Canadian football is a joke! Celine Dion is overrated! Zelenka is smarter than you are!
    Green is your friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freyr's mother
    To be alive, the "organism" in question must have cell membranes or cell walls, carbohydrates, proteins and nucleic acids as well as produce energy molecules such as ATP.

    Not in the Stargate Universe.

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    That would be funny, they should turn the Hiveship into the Living ships from Farscape (I can't remember what they are called).

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    I don't think they can transform the hive ships. But what if they find a weakness in the hive ships. Like a biological weapon which can destroy the ship at the subatomic level.

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    What if the Hiveships are really Ancient BattleShips that where turnned or transformer in to these Hiveships .... Kind of like how the Borg from star trek did it to Ships in that show ....

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    What if the Hiveships are really Ancient BattleShips that where turnned or transformer in to these Hiveships .... Kind of like how the Borg from star trek did it to Ships in that show ....

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    just caus something is organic doesn't mean it's alive it like saying a house with wood furnishing is alive
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    Default Re: Transform the Hiveships, Not the Wraith! (Spoilers for Allies)

    Quote Originally Posted by Buba uognarf
    just caus something is organic doesn't mean it's alive it like saying a house with wood furnishing is alive

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    Yes that's true. In English , organic does not mean alive. But it the context that McKay used the term when talking to the Wraith about Hiveships, it does seem to mean alive. Or at least more so than you are implying. I don't have the exact quotes in front of me, but the exchange went something like this:

    McKay: "I thought the composition of your ships was organic ?"

    Wraith: " Yes, it does make some repairs more effortless. but it has its limitations. "

    I know I didn't get it exact ( maybe someone could post a more accurate version ?) , but it was something close to that. Why would "wood furnishings" be easier to repair that steel or stone? The strong implication here was that the Hiveships, or at least parts of them, are self-regenerating. That implies life, not just hydrocarbons! Or at least an imitation of life. Either the Wraith found a way to create organic based non-living structures that still have some sort of life-like regenerative abilities , which I allow is possible, or else, the found a way to hijack another species, and turn it into a useful machine ( kind of like the Taelons did to the Skrill). I think it would we very cool if it ended up being the second of the two. It seems to me more in keeping with the character of the Wraith. The Wraith are very smart, but "non-living , self-regenerating , organic structures" seems a little bit to airy-fairy for their attitude. Hijacking another species and forcing it to be useful to them would be much more their style. And if that is what they did do, I think it would be wonderful if McKay and Beckett could find a way to undo it.
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    yeah id like to see Becket invent a disease that kills wraith ships and over the course of the episode we see the wraith ship slowly root away, im still curious about what the weakness in wraith technology that the ancients found (209 AURORA).

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    Good idea, but I have a feeling the writers may take this the wrong way. They would probably turn the Hiveship into a female that is attracted to the Daedalus and try to make a love story out of it.

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    one word.....

    Nanites


    Figure out how to program the little buggers to eat hive ships and there u go.

    u know im right
    Spoiler:
    even the Ancients had the same idea, resulting in the Asurans
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    Default Re: Transform the Hiveships, Not the Wraith! (Spoilers for Allies)

    Quote Originally Posted by Liam Kincaid
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    Yes that's true. In English , organic does not mean alive. But it the context that McKay used the term when talking to the Wraith about Hiveships, it does seem to mean alive. Or at least more so than you are implying. I don't have the exact quotes in front of me, but the exchange went something like this:

    McKay: "I thought the composition of your ships was organic ?"

    Wraith: " Yes, it does make some repairs more effortless. but it has its limitations. "

    I know I didn't get it exact ( maybe someone could post a more accurate version ?) , but it was something close to that. Why would "wood furnishings" be easier to repair that steel or stone? The strong implication here was that the Hiveships, or at least parts of them, are self-regenerating. That implies life, not just hydrocarbons! Or at least an imitation of life. Either the Wraith found a way to create organic based non-living structures that still have some sort of life-like regenerative abilities , which I allow is possible, or else, the found a way to hijack another species, and turn it into a useful machine ( kind of like the Taelons did to the Skrill). I think it would we very cool if it ended up being the second of the two. It seems to me more in keeping with the character of the Wraith. The Wraith are very smart, but "non-living , self-regenerating , organic structures" seems a little bit to airy-fairy for their attitude. Hijacking another species and forcing it to be useful to them would be much more their style. And if that is what they did do, I think it would be wonderful if McKay and Beckett could find a way to undo it.

    erm i think the quote was more like this

    mckay" the organic base of your technology is incredible....very resiliant"

    Wraith scientist" yes most problems eventually fix themselves etc..."



    your points are interesting but i disagree the hiveships are not alive they use organic compotents designed to regenerate damage, the whole hive is not organic it looks as through organic compotents are simply grown over a metalic base the wraith are obiviously very good bio engineers able to synthasise organic regerative compounds but unless they cut out bits of this life form and strapped a bunch of guns, hyperdrive and built a dart bay i don't think the hives are alive or have any sentience...

    The wraith as i see them are the appex of bio engineered tech the ancients the appex of conventional tech
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedalus-304
    That would be funny, they should turn the Hiveship into the Living ships from Farscape (I can't remember what they are called).
    Yeah and complete with a pissed off Pilot who would be more than happy to eject them into space.

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