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    Stargate: Horizon - Season Two
    "Revolution"


    "Revolution"
    Ep: 2.24
    Release Date: June 29th, 2006
    Written by Alex Rubit


    Stranded aboard the Ancient biosphere, Horizon-1 seeks a way to survive while the rest of the galaxy prepares to hold their ground against the devastating Enoly attack.
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    This is the moment we've all been waiting for. The 90 minute season finale has arrived.

    Well, it's been a long, and in my oppinion successful season. We can look back at 24 episodes. It all began with the introduction of a new regular character and several new recurring characters, as well as a situation in Vorian space that would overshadow the entire season. Over the next couple of months you can expect the release of some special hiatus features, there'll be a poll where you can vote for your favorite Season Two episode, there'll be previews for Season Three, the release of episode titles and first info on episodes, with a little luck there'll finally be some CG images that we can release, and you can expect a special Season Three Prequel, which will be coming out around September.

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    Ohh, first person to comment. I liked the ep - there was a nice balance between the battle sequences and the character moments, and I'm intrigued by De'sya - a suggestion that there may be other nebulan acting as humans? However, (and this may be an unfair criticism as it's only the end of season 2), I feel somewhat robbed by how easily they wiped out the sphere. I know that lots of ships were destroyed, but it seems like any time a threat emerges it's instantly wiped out - just like the season 1 finale or "Path of Revalation". I'd like to see the Enoly/Draque/Sentinals make a larger impact on our galaxy.

    On the other hand, the impending civil war promises to have a huge impact, and I can't wait until October 29th to see what happens next.
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    GREAT episode, much better than 223.

    That is the way to end a season. The nebulan woman interacting w/ Callen and showing him the path he is meant to follow adds to the great importance both Callen & Grant has.

    I look forward to the new seasons of SG1 & Atlantis, but I wait w/ the same amount of anticipation as I do for both those shows as I do for Horizon.

    Other than a couple episodes I wasn't thrilled about, this season was awsome. Yes, I used and 80's word to describe it.

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    which earth ships were destroyed? I know that the Valiant and the Bellerophon survived but what about the Atlas, Prometheus, Odyessey, perseus, persephone? There were nine daedalus-type cruisers yet, why were only 7 named? I was counting the Valiant as one of them. so will we ever see marcai again and will the war with the kih'andri be the main stage for Season 3? This was a good episode glad i got to read it. if this was a real series you guys would get a huge rating. 2 thumbs way UP!!!!!!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mentalmichael
    Ohh, first person to comment. I liked the ep - there was a nice balance between the battle sequences and the character moments,
    Thanks. I'm glad you liked it.

    Getting that balance right was actually one of the big challenges. I think we haven't had any other episode that's had the order of scenes moved around as much during the writing and revision process as this one.

    and I'm intrigued by De'sya - a suggestion that there may be other nebulan acting as humans?
    Oh, there are, there are. There was this Sergeant Fuller guy back in "Gambit."

    Of course there's a chance we might eventually see additional Nebulan having taken human form.

    However, (and this may be an unfair criticism as it's only the end of season 2), I feel somewhat robbed by how easily they wiped out the sphere. I know that lots of ships were destroyed, but it seems like any time a threat emerges it's instantly wiped out - just like the season 1 finale or "Path of Revalation". I'd like to see the Enoly/Draque/Sentinals make a larger impact on our galaxy.

    On the other hand, the impending civil war promises to have a huge impact, and I can't wait until October 29th to see what happens next.
    Yeah, I have a feeling it will make a bit of an impact.

    The biosphere wasn't completely destroyed, of course. I personally would find it interesting to go back to it one day, and perhaps see its inside which is of course no longer functional. I guess it depends on whether or not the right story will come along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
    which earth ships were destroyed? I know that the Valiant and the Bellerophon survived but what about the Atlas, Prometheus, Odyessey, perseus, persephone?
    Hmmm. That's a good question actually. We might find out in Season Three.

    There were nine daedalus-type cruisers yet, why were only 7 named?
    There's no reason really other than there was no point in the episode where we could have mentioned them all by name - meaning in the dialogue. If we had just named them in the script, that wouldn't have made it to the screen anyway if this were on TV.

    But we'll be seeing more ships soon, and we'll be hearing some more names.

    I was counting the Valiant as one of them.
    The Valiant isn't a Daedalus class ship. It's... a Valiant class ship.

    so will we ever see marcai again
    It's possible.

    and will the war with the kih'andri be the main stage for Season 3?
    Maybe.

    That's really all I'm allowed to say at this point. For one, because we're still in the earliest stages of maping out the season.

    This was a good episode glad i got to read it. if this was a real series you guys would get a huge rating. 2 thumbs way UP!!!!!!.
    Thanks a lot. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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    Dude... dude. That was incredible. Season all-time high. Four stars. And then some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGrimlock
    GREAT episode, much better than 223.

    That is the way to end a season. The nebulan woman interacting w/ Callen and showing him the path he is meant to follow adds to the great importance both Callen & Grant has.
    I was quite fond of that storyline too, which was one of the reasons to go with an extended length episode. If this had been a one hour episode, we would have had to cut that entire b-plot... and more.

    I look forward to the new seasons of SG1 & Atlantis, but I wait w/ the same amount of anticipation as I do for both those shows as I do for Horizon.

    Other than a couple episodes I wasn't thrilled about, this season was awsome. Yes, I used and 80's word to describe it.
    Again, many thanks. I'm glad to hear you liked it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
    Dude... dude. That was incredible. Season all-time high. Four stars. And then some.

    OVERALL: ****
    I have a feeling the review for this one will be one I'll be looking forward to a lot.
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    I'll be making an effort to write a lot of reviews on Sunday, because I'll finally have the whole day to myself! Lately I've been contending with the 'Personal Fitness' summer course demon. So, Revolution, I will definitely write a review for soon. Top priority. It deserves, no, it demands, to be reviewed. Amazing job, Alex, way to go.
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    I liked it very mutch, thanks for wrighting such an interesting series!!!!!!

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    I've been away from home all week (and I shall be for every week for six more), but I'll say, since I didn't right it, that this episode was excellent and Alex did a spectacular job on it.

    Here's an interesting fact: We were considering destroying the Bellerophon and killing Mackenzie Logan, but we'd like to think that they both have much, much, more potential.

    Lots of death this season: Williams, Seeta, Elin, Beaumont, Vre'nan, and countless redshirts. Work on season three has already started.

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    My God, what a Finale.

    Man if this ep was actually filmed I think I'll be in heaven with the space battle.

    What a great idea to end a battle and to start another battle for the 3 season.(that is if were going to get another in the season 3 openning)

    The tone of the ep was nicly balanced.

    5/4 for this ep
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    Well..I'm not sure what I think. It has the same maring the pilot did for meBy evident influence from other films/series. Too much Star Wars! I mean, surely you could have gone about having a different way of the weapon working...but it ended up like the Death Star, and I found that somewhat disappointing. I did like the battle sequences, they were really well written too. Was slightly surprised to see F308s and the Persephone.

    I liked the stuff with Callen and De'sya, if anything that'll bring him and Grant closer through friendship since they both share this interaction with the Nebulans now. What I'm happy to see is that your going to be having an active storyline revolving around mythology (albeit Vorian and it'll probably not last the entire season) but I found that was something Horizon always lacked-Mythology.

    Hehe, I told you they'd take Marcai out. I feel rather sorry for Lenori (which is your intention "duh"! lol). It's somewhat saddening seeing the usual peppy and perky doctor becoming sad and worried and lost. It did have some nice character moments in this, but I feel, now more than before, that you just have too many main characters. Chris still feels redudant, Tom could do her job with the AT. And Grant's dialogue seemed iffy at places.

    I did enjoy it, but I'm still not sure what I thought in the end.
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    elite's right im sorry but i think Tom and Lenori should become recurring characters even stargate atlantis doesnt even have 8 main people on their show. Sg-1 is the exception because they have now 7 with Vala becoming a main character. It should be Grant, Sivea, Chase,chris, callen. I dont how about Connor since he left for earth. So i think you need cut down a little but then again your the creator so it's none of my concern.

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    I have to say, I don't agree with that. I think all of the main characters have had their moments throughout the season, something I'm personally very proud of, as that's really hard to do with eight regulars. Naturally everyone will have their own preferances about who should be mainly featured in a finale, and naturally not everyone will be satisfied. The fact that neither SG-1 nor Atlantis have eight regulars has no influence on us what so ever.

    About Christine and the AT, notice the little detail that the AT is now gone. It was taken by the Enoly when the team got captured, they didn't give it back, and well... we just had one.

    About David... who knows whether he'll be back or not.

    Now I can't agree with what you said about this being similar to anything else, EAG. I haven't seen Star Wars in ages, and it was the last thing I had in mind. Don't take me wrong, I quite like Star Wars. But not to the extent that I'd have to rip it off to write a good episode.

    I've said before, and I'm quite frank about this, this subject is getting on my nerves a little lately. If I could only write good things by turning to other things and ripping them off, I'd better seriously rethink my career plans, with which I've been making some nice progress lately (surprisingly in a way). But here's not the place to be talking about that. I think people tend to think we just rip off things because of the pilot and it's "similarities." But it's also no secret that I think the pilot is the worst episode of the series. Still hoping to do a special edition re-release one of these days. Because the pilot is bad, people who just read the pilot tend to think the entire series is that way.

    Anyway, if you think it's similiar to Star Wars, then that's okay. But keep in mind that SG-1's "Fallen" is even more similar. Nothing wrong with that. I just get the feeling some people think I'm constantly influenced by some kind of things. And I don't even really watch anything on TV on a regular basis, with maybe one or two exceptions. A majority of sci-fi shows I'm familiar with in that I know what they are, but I've never seen them. Just haven't got the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by travis
    What a great idea to end a battle and to start another battle for the 3 season.(that is if were going to get another in the season 3 openning)
    That brings up a good question. Just when does Season Three actually pick up? Was this a cliffhanger? Does it mean the new season will continue where this one left off (which would be the comon approach)?

    However, we've stated that there will most definitely be a Season Three Prequel. Now how in the world is that supposed to work?

    Of course I know the answer, as I'm already working on the Season Three premiere. I'm just curious to see what you think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Rubit
    I have to say, I don't agree with that. I think all of the main characters have had their moments throughout the season, something I'm personally very proud of, as that's really hard to do with eight regulars. Naturally everyone will have their own preferances about who should be mainly featured in a finale, and naturally not everyone will be satisfied. The fact that neither SG-1 nor Atlantis have eight regulars has no influence on us what so ever.

    About Christine and the AT, notice the little detail that the AT is now gone. It was taken by the Enoly when the team got captured, they didn't give it back, and well... we just had one.

    About David... who knows whether he'll be back or not.
    To be honest, in my opinion, Christine has been useless the entire season, for the most part, aside from serving as a person off of which to develop Lenori. I think that if anything, she should be the one reduced to recurring character. David, I think he has a lot of potential. Espescially considering his recent developments, I'd like to see him in a stronger role. Besides... Horizon-3 does need a leader... or at least, a member. XP

    Now I can't agree with what you said about this being similar to anything else, EAG. I haven't seen Star Wars in ages, and it was the last thing I had in mind. Don't take me wrong, I quite like Star Wars. But not to the extent that I'd have to rip it off to write a good episode.

    I've said before, and I'm quite frank about this, this subject is getting on my nerves a little lately. If I could only write good things by turning to other things and ripping them off, I'd better seriously rethink my career plans, with which I've been making some nice progress lately (surprisingly in a way). But here's not the place to be talking about that. I think people tend to think we just rip off things because of the pilot and it's "similarities." But it's also no secret that I think the pilot is the worst episode of the series. Still hoping to do a special edition re-release one of these days. Because the pilot is bad, people who just read the pilot tend to think the entire series is that way.
    Well, the Star Wars homage being that the Biosphere greatly resembled a Death Star, espescially in its weapons satelite.

    I'll be honest, it's getting on my nerves too. I like Horizon a lot, and even though a lot of it is similar to various other things, it's got an original spin on it, for the most part. Ripping things off is clearly not what any of you intend, and as for the pilot, I never read it (quite frankly, in my experience, all VS pilots that I've read have been bad [Providence, Dawn, The Heroes of Syrith]).

    Back to the issue of the main cast... eight is an awful lot. You handle it well for the most part, but Christine has been a massive drag on it, in my opinion. I think that the cast should just consist of Callen, Grant, Sivea, Chase, David, Tom, and Lenori. Even make Bay'lar more prominent, he's a great character!

    But part of the reason that you're able to handle such a large cast so well is because of the sheer length of the episodes. Let's be honest here, 75 to 90 pages, which is the general range of your episodes, is anywhere from an episode the length of "Threads" to the length of a short movie. Episodes of SG-1 and Atlantis are about 50 pages each, and espescially considering you're even going to be using the same software as them for the coming season, it becomes even more clear that the episodes are long. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing... I like it a lot. It really gives me something to do with my time, and it's time well spent. But still, even with all the extra descriptions as a result of this being a virtual series, you should only have upper 50s to lower 60s as your range of episode page numbers.

    Well, I've managed to go on a tangent here. Still a great episode, and I can't possibly look at Season 1 now with such great stuff already accomplished that makes it pale in comparison. ^_^
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    Don't get me wrong, I'm not getting on at your. I really like Horizon, and you know that. And I don't mean to irritate you, but Biosphere-Death Star, Super Drone Beam-Whatever that thing was that destroyed planets. I mean, comeon. It was a big ass dish. Now, I really want to make it clear. I think you are a great writer and I know the similarities are not done on purpose, I think your doing great in making a new part of the Stargate universe. Look at S7s god-aweful Star Wars rip-off, everytime I see that I cringe, but that was extremely badly handled by TPTB and I think you have done well this season to detract from all the similarities, hell, I think this is the first time in this season that I have picked up on a similarity and it's the lack of them this season that caused this to just jump out at me.

    And I do agree with Ryu, it seems Chris is mostly there to bounce developement off of Lenori and he's a great character but I don't see him working as well without Chris which is why you probably keep her there. But, I really feel you have too many characters to handle. Chris' job really isn't that unique anymore or needed. All you need to do is give the AT to someone who is really smart and could probably be able to do some translation stuff beside a normal job.

    Now please, I am not just nit-picking, I'm obviously saying this to offer advice on ways I think your series could be improved and etc. I really do enjoy Horizon - As you know.

    Also, noticed another "A Time to Stand" homage, made me smile and thought of "Counterpoint". And also, why do the Tok'ra just have cargo ships? Why not some Alkesh or Motherships of their own?

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