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    This was a great episode.

    The whole ending was sweet, Daniel telling Teal'c it was all his doing to keep himself alive.

    We also have the beginning of Goa'uld-less Jaffa now, thanks in part to the Tok'ra

    Tomorrow, the single most underrated episode of the entire Stargate Franchise. An origin-like story, origin being the original movie.

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    I really enjoyed watching this episode again. It's been quite a while and I had forgotten quite a lot of it.

    The way the all the different lives Teal'c was 'living' were interwoven was cleverly done. The 'bleeding' of his memories as a Jaffa in the the SGC into his other 'memories' of being a fireman saving his mentor's life, all coming together to show the actual reality that he was dying in a bloody battlefield with Bra'tac was fascinating to watch.

    Daniel is back giving moral support to another of his suffering mortal friends. I always liked the way he still looked out for them in between his job as an ascended being!

    Interesting that someone commented earlier in the thread that this episode didn't have the usual SG-1 'feel'. I can sort of see it, watching it again reminded me of the SGU episode 'Cloverdale' with the intermingling of real and hallucinated life of a character with all those they know appearing in it in different roles.

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    My LiveJournal post
    Love this episode, I was looking forward to it.

    Poor Junior though, and we never even learned his actual name or heard him talk through someone else. Wouldn't that have been weird? I wonder what he would have said to Teal'c...
    "Thanks to denial, I'm immortal."
    "A big 'Hello' to all intelligent life out there, and for everyone else, the secret is to bang the rocks together, guys!"
    "Excuse me, barmaid? You seem to have brought me the wrong offspring. I ordered an extra large boy with beefy arms, extra guts and glory on the side. This here, this is a talking fishbone!"
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    If I this was my first time watching the episode I would tell you its boring. Its a complex episode that I think requires multiple viewing to understand. The plot is confusing and makes little sense with the jumbling between the firefighter scene and the fake SGC stuff. Its confusing and makes no sense because of Teal'c tramua. It takes a while to understand that which makes its an interesting episode but hard to follow at times as well. The scene that gets to me is the "real" Daniel's interaction to Teal'c when he says he won't leave. That strucks a cord with me showing the interaction between them as friends. These don't interact as much as some characters do so it was kind of emotional to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisz View Post
    The way the all the different lives Teal'c was 'living' were interwoven was cleverly done. The 'bleeding' of his memories as a Jaffa in the the SGC into his other 'memories' of being a fireman saving his mentor's life, all coming together to show the actual reality that he was dying in a bloody battlefield with Bra'tac was fascinating to watch.
    Couldn't agree with you more on that ^

    I really enjoyed this episode and out of all the Teal'c centric episodes, I think this is by far the best one. I also felt that the SGC scenes seemed off the first time watching, as others in the forum mentioned.

    Also nice to see Daniel back,
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    I always wondered if he got into trouble by the others for helping/interfering the lower beings in this episode and in Abyss


    Also this quote will always make me smile I would prefer not to consume bovine lactose at any temperature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bookwormjules View Post

    Also nice to see Daniel back,
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    I always wondered if he got into trouble by the others for helping/interfering the lower beings in this episode and in Abyss


    I think...(spoilers ahead for Full Circle...)

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    both these events contributed to Daniel being "chucked out of the Glowy Club", but I think him getting SG-1 involved and trying to take on Anubis in Full Circle was the final straw....so back to earth it was for him..



    I LOVE The Changeling, but more for the location filming....so many of those sites that I recognise from my travels...there is nothing like Vancouver for filming locations imho....I love it!..


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    This episode makes it clear that Chris Judge is a terrific script writer.

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    It's great how everything in this ep just works together.

    It would be very confusing to the first time viewer.

    And the Tretonin at the end is a huge thing in the Stargate verse.

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    It was kind of needed. At some point Tealc's symbiote would have matured and needed to take a host, and Teal'c would have died. So he needed to get rid of it somehow find a way to continue living. This episode did that, and also provided a way for the rebel jaffa to be free.

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    This is actually a question about the filming location. Fire and rescue is dispatched to the Taylor Way Overpass. According to my research, the filming location was also called Taylor Way Overpass. According to Google Maps there is only one Taylor Way in Vancouver BC and it only has one Overpass (over Hwy 1). The road is only 1.8km long (1.1mi) so it was easy to study using Google Maps Satellite mode and street mode. This can't be the correct road. The road is too wide, not curved, and has different guard rails.

    Anyone have any ideas where the correct shooting location is?

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    Have to say I watched this one again last week and it still remains my 2nd favourite episode of S.6 (Abyss taking first place simply because RDA and MS were so feckin' outstanding in their scenes together)...but LOVE this for the locations, the fire station, the story, Daniel as comforter and support of Teal'c..and that gorgeous but sad "Merdian" music line running through the scene at the end....


    It truly is in my top 10 SG-1 episodes I think..


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    Quote Originally Posted by slamaina View Post
    This is actually a question about the filming location. Fire and rescue is dispatched to the Taylor Way Overpass. According to my research, the filming location was also called Taylor Way Overpass. According to Google Maps there is only one Taylor Way in Vancouver BC and it only has one Overpass (over Hwy 1). The road is only 1.8km long (1.1mi) so it was easy to study using Google Maps Satellite mode and street mode. This can't be the correct road. The road is too wide, not curved, and has different guard rails.

    Anyone have any ideas where the correct shooting location is?

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    The fire station was at:

    Coquitlam Fire & Rescue
    428 Nelson Street, Coquitlam

    The hospital was in Vancouver (George Pearson Hospital, 601 W. 59th Avenue), same one that was used for Kinsey's press conference in Smoke and Mirrors.

    The other locations from this episode aren't mentioned on RDA's site, but I imagine it was either close by the two above or their studio.
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    My question was about the shooting location for where the accident is.

    Nelson St is the right fire department but the wrong hall. The correct one is:
    http://www.coquitlam.ca/public-safet...perations.aspx
    Mariner Fire Hall - 775 Mariner Way, Coquitlam, B.C. V3C 0A3

    Quote Originally Posted by fems View Post
    The fire station was at:

    Coquitlam Fire & Rescue
    428 Nelson Street, Coquitlam

    The hospital was in Vancouver (George Pearson Hospital, 601 W. 59th Avenue), same one that was used for Kinsey's press conference in Smoke and Mirrors.

    The other locations from this episode aren't mentioned on RDA's site, but I imagine it was either close by the two above or their studio.

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    Cleverly done episode, fairly creative and original, and the initial firefighting scenes made me laugh out loud in incredulity. Loved the "alternate" lives of how it would have been for them without a stargate. Jonas as a Probie was a nice, funny touch.

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    This ep. was funny, and confusing. And I didn't really find it exciting, was just waiting to get answers. Nice to see Daniel again, and the tretonin story was good. But I must say this was under avarage, as I felt the story was overall poorly written.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaboe Muffinchucker View Post
    This episode makes it clear that Chris Judge is a terrific script writer.

    Seaboe
    Have to disagree on this one. Like the previous episodes by CJ, I couldn't really enjoy the overall story

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    You're allowed to disagree. I'll think you're nuts, but you're still allowed.

    I've already noticed that our tastes in episodes is very different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaboe Muffinchucker View Post
    You're allowed to disagree. I'll think you're nuts, but you're still allowed.

    I've already noticed that our tastes in episodes is very different.

    Seaboe
    Hi Seaboe, yes i noticed too. I still really enjoy to see other peoples views. And I guess that's one of this forums functions. Thanks for all your reply's. And really, I don't think you're "nuts" just because we disagree "a little".


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    Quote Originally Posted by slamaina View Post
    This is actually a question about the filming location. Fire and rescue is dispatched to the Taylor Way Overpass. According to my research, the filming location was also called Taylor Way Overpass. According to Google Maps there is only one Taylor Way in Vancouver BC and it only has one Overpass (over Hwy 1). The road is only 1.8km long (1.1mi) so it was easy to study using Google Maps Satellite mode and street mode. This can't be the correct road. The road is too wide, not curved, and has different guard rails.

    Anyone have any ideas where the correct shooting location is?

    Slam
    From the extra on my DVD Martin Wood said it was the bridge on the old highway 1 over Nelson Canyon in West Vancouver. On further research I found it is now included in a walking trail called the Whyte Lake trail. Noted as 'old bridge' on the map parallel to the new highway 1 Nelson Canyon bridge. It's a location I've wanted to visit for a while but have yet to get round to it!

    http://westvancouver.ca/uploadedFile...rail%20Map.pdf

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    Excellent episode. Reminded me a lot of the DS9 episodes "Far Beyond the Stars" and "Shadows and Symbols". I liked Judge switching between Teal'c's formal way of speaking and T's more modern way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elwe Singollo View Post
    I think Daniel was a pretty powerful being if he could place himself in other peoples dreams and such, and good thing Daniel was a good person, or else really really bad things could have happened, haha.. It was nice to see some old faces though, i forgot what their names were though Haha... (Although i didn't forget Apophis's name )
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Signal View Post
    This was my least favourite episode of S5 first time I watched it, but every time I see it, it gets better and better, and now ranks in my top 10 episodes ever, the Daniel and Teal'c scene right at the end is the best scene they ever shared, pure brilliance.
    I agree their scenes together were some of the best parts of this episode. This is season 6 by the way.
    Quote Originally Posted by rushy View Post
    T was soooooo weird with Dr. Apophis.



    No. They let it be in one Jaffa and then they transfer it to another. Like the phone game with feedbacks all the time.



    No. One Jaffa has it at once and then he transfers it to another every couple hours. Like the phone game with infinite feedbacks.

    Got it?
    That's what I surmised from it. Another analogy would be two people sharing an oxygen mask.

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