Original Starship Design Thread

[Cmdr. Setsuna F. Seyei]

i keep hearing people talk about inertia in large ships. there is one thing that most people dont take into account, inertia is the amount of resistance to an objects direction of travel which is quantified by its mass. when you have inertial dampeners capable of removing 90-95% of a ships mass then the ship becomes alot more manueverable even though it may be huge. that is why they are called INERTIAL DAMPENERS they dampen inertia's tendency to resist change in direction.


for example

take avessel with a mass of 200,000 tonnes

add inertial dampeners

inertial dampeners reduce the mass of the ship by 90%

result the ship now has a mass of 20,000 tonnes

[McAvoy]

i keep hearing people talk about inertia in large ships. there is one thing that most people dont take into account, inertia is the amount of resistance to an objects direction of travel which is quantified by its mass. when you have inertial dampeners capable of removing 90-95% of a ships mass then the ship becomes alot more manueverable even though it may be huge. that is why they are called INERTIAL DAMPENERS they dampen inertia's tendency to resist change in direction.


for example

take avessel with a mass of 200,000 tonnes

add inertial dampeners

inertial dampeners reduce the mass of the ship by 90%

result the ship now has a mass of 20,000 tonnes

You are forgetting how much energy it would to dampen that inertia. Inertial dampeners are not some magic device that once you press a button everything is fine. Logically that device requires energy. The larger the ship, the larger the energy inertial dampeners require.

[Cmdr. Setsuna F. Seyei]

You are forgetting how much energy it would to dampen that inertia. Inertial dampeners are not some magic device that once you press a button everything is fine. Logically that device requires energy. The larger the ship, the larger the energy inertial dampeners require.

the other thing people keep forgetting is that we have the asgard core which contains all asgard knowledge and the matter converter.

all we would have to do is have the core create several NIGS for the ship and power would no longer be an issue

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

Takes all the fun out of it though... The Asgard Core makes everything too easy.

[Cmdr. Setsuna F. Seyei]

Takes all the fun out of it though... The Asgard Core makes everything too easy.

not really. as we would have to find a place (not on earth) to install the core with an array of matter converters as well as making sure that A. we can get enough raw materials to it and B. it is heavily protected. not to mention that for some of the larger items in the asgard core i am sure that there will be some assembly required

which would mean that we would have to learn abut the system we are assembling so that we can assemble it properly and maintain it.

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

That's what I meant... Using the Asgard Core to design and build everything makes things too easy. Makes Earth too powerful.

[Cmdr. Setsuna F. Seyei]

its not easy.

think of the manpower required to havest enough raw material for the matter converter. think of all the man power required to protect the off world base its at. think of the man power required to build said base. think of all of the engineers and scientists required to put the stuff together that the matter converters create. not to mention the amount of scientists there to study the tech. now try to figure out how much its all gonna cost.


also if it was that easy then why didnt the asgard use the matter conversion proccess to just create hundreds of Oneill class warships?

obviously there has to be some kind of manual labor involved.

[Princess Awinita]

That's what I meant... Using the Asgard Core to design and build everything makes things too easy. Makes Earth too powerful.

Funny thing is it is not Earth I am talking about but a planet called Acradia I think is what the core world is called, not fully sure.

Another thing is, each ship literally has a fusion reactor core with plenty of other smaller power cores to power each ship, each fighter has a small fusion core and sublight engines and whatever else the maker wanted to put in them. Like I said it is not my personal faction, my own faction uses some of the things I mentioned for lengths already {the largest ship I have is 14KM long, I have another craft that big but it is 14KM round and is a mobile shipyard}

[McAvoy]

So... let me get this straight. You have a bunch of city sized ships flying around because of the Asgard core.

I mean what IS THE POINT of having such large vessels in the first point?

[Princess Awinita]

So... let me get this straight. You have a bunch of city sized ships flying around because of the Asgard core.

I mean what IS THE POINT of having such large vessels in the first point?

My faction does not even know what the Asgard are, not even related to SG in fact, my faction is just tech advanced and able ot make such massive ships in the first place.

A place ot live, some have ot be big in order ot make more ships, others are big because the peopel that run them use the space. Most ship owners want as big as possible in order to store as much as possible be it goods for trading, soldiers, or otherwise

[thekillman]

also if it was that easy then why didnt the asgard use the matter conversion proccess to just create hundreds of Oneill class warships?

Asgard tech requires Neutronium.

and that was their limiting factor.

[McAvoy]

My faction does not even know what the Asgard are, not even related to SG in fact, my faction is just tech advanced and able ot make such massive ships in the first place.

A place ot live, some have ot be big in order ot make more ships, others are big because the peopel that run them use the space. Most ship owners want as big as possible in order to store as much as possible be it goods for trading, soldiers, or otherwise

That is exactly my point. This argument size vs. numbers is old.

If you build for example a 7 kilometer vessel (throwing out numbers here) that can carry 1,000,000 troops then if that ship is destroyed you lose 1,000,000 troops. If you build ten 700 meter vessel that can carry 100,000, if one is destroyed you lose only 1/10th. See my point? Oversimplification of it yes, but the same goes for building warships.

The US Navy in WW2 designed the Montana class battleship which was more powerful than even the Yamato class on a similar displacement. However a design study leading up to the final design to look how large the vessel would be to increase speed from 27 to 33 knots would have made the vessel too large and expensive. We are talking about 60,000 tons final design vs. 66,000 tons 33 knots. This is coming from a country who was very capable of building such a 66,000 ton battleship if they wanted to.

[McAvoy]

It leads me to believe that by building 7 kilometer or larger vessels isn't about being practical or even logical. It's about the coolness factor. Who will build the bigger ship because bigger is better.

[thekillman]

In stargate, ships rarely are over a kilometer in size, and even then anything above a kilometer is usually worthless.

[lordofseas]

In stargate, ships rarely are over a kilometer in size, and even then anything above a kilometer is usually worthless.

They're nice to crash into things.

[thekillman]

producing an underwhelming explosion...

[Princess Awinita]

It leads me to believe that by building 7 kilometer or larger vessels isn't about being practical or even logical. It's about the coolness factor. Who will build the bigger ship because bigger is better.

Actually, I've been chatting with the faction creator; he says thus "I prefer the Tarkin Doctrine; Rule by Fear As such, size enhances that fear because of sheer size, and numbers of troops within said ships." I think this is a good plan. Personally for me anything over 14KM is too big for me to use.

And for me it is not about the coolness factor, it is merely about the preservation factor. Massive ships = too large a target for small splinter groups to try and take down. if you have enough of these massive sized starships you have a pretty good sized army ready for deplyment. I do not personally see what the problem is that everyone is finding with his ships, he factored in everything, mass, costs, etc. I personally like them. They Fit what he requires for them to fit. I work the same way

My rule of thumb; "if a starship cannot fit what I plan for it to fit, it is too small." My fighter craft are designed to be small, fast and highly manourevoable as possible while boasting strong heavy duty firepower. So therefore it takes a really insane person to fly a fighter that has no shields but enough armor and flight suit enough to survive vaccum if they must.

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

And for me it is not about the coolness factor, it is merely about the preservation factor. Massive ships = too large a target for small splinter groups to try and take down.

That's what the Galactic Empire thought... If only they had put a grate on that exhaust port

[thekillman]

the thing you forgot to factor in:

a ship that big has many parts. more parts = more chance of failure = more maintenance = bigger problems.

a ship 14km long will probably spend more time in the maintenance dock than in outer space.


plus, to power such a ship you need one hell of a powersource. you wouldn't need a whole lot of firepower to cripple such a ship, as the onboard powersource would be sufficiently vulnerable to blow it up.

lastly: a big ship can only target 1 thing, so to speak. a group of dogs is much harder to fight than one bull.

[Gormagon]

I have made some adjustments to the Kiruada class ships physical design, I was examining my schematics I have drawn up and corrected the design because of several key weaknesses. I know once they actually get involved in combat with the other fleets I will not be able to make changes so I figure I had better do it now,

The design is more efficient and less vulnerable to attack from certain angles.


I need to find the time and energy to upload the drawings.