Original Starship Design Thread

[McAvoy]

So... you are a bunch of writers who decided to have big ships for no other reason but to have big ships. Sounds exactly like what everyone has been telling you.

The fact is you have been defensive the entire time about this. If you can't take criticism of your 14 km ship or the universe you like to play in, then don't bring it up. It was you who brought up causually like it was normal to have in a RPG to have 14 km ships.

Sorry, but it isn't. Ever since the start of internet when people could post their designs of their ships, there has always been a craze of trying to do a one-up on someone else or something else. Even a totally original universe has that because ultimately there is no logical reason to have such large ships unless something is preventing them to have smaller ships.

You have yet to explain anything. So why quit trying to explain when you haven't explained anything beyond "I wanted a 14km ship". Because to everyone here that is exactly what it sounds like. You haven't told anyone here WHY the ships are so large.

I mean it's one thing if your ships were unique in being that big to fit within a role and a mission. Generation ship for example. But you are saying there are even larger ships that makes your look tiny in comparison.

Sorry, but you seriously need to look up the definition of fanwank.

[Princess Awinita]

So... you are a bunch of writers who decided to have big ships for no other reason but to have big ships. Sounds exactly like what everyone has been telling you.

The fact is you have been defensive the entire time about this. If you can't take criticism of your 14 km ship or the universe you like to play in, then don't bring it up. It was you who brought up causually like it was normal to have in a RPG to have 14 km ships.

Sorry, but it isn't. Ever since the start of internet when people could post their designs of their ships, there has always been a craze of trying to do a one-up on someone else or something else. Even a totally original universe has that because ultimately there is no logical reason to have such large ships unless something is preventing them to have smaller ships.

You have yet to explain anything. So why quit trying to explain when you haven't explained anything beyond "I wanted a 14km ship". Because to everyone here that is exactly what it sounds like. You haven't told anyone here WHY the ships are so large.

I mean it's one thing if your ships were unique in being that big to fit within a role and a mission. Generation ship for example. But you are saying there are even larger ships that makes your look tiny in comparison.

Sorry, but you seriously need to look up the definition of fanwank.

Did I not just say that the debate was over ? Did you miss that ?

[McAvoy]

There was no debate.

Besides, you could have never responded back or did you not know that?

[Cmdr. Setsuna F. Seyei]

OK enough is ENOUGH.

can we please get this thread back on topic.

this thread is a bout ship design so unless you have a ship that you want to post or comment on besides thrashing someone elses please dont make a post.

now if you want to critique someone elses ship design tell them what you think is wrong with it and tell them what you would do differently without bashing them for their so called stupidity.

the only people who call others stupid are those who think themselves superior to others. on this thread no one is superior to anyone else. Just at different stages of capability.

i know this because when i started on here 3.5 years ago i was designing fanwank ships and i got shot down alot. but with the encouragement of a few of the members here i am doing a heck of a lot better.

and look at ALX. he went from fanwank to being paid for the CG that he does. he is currently doing independant CG for a movie.

[McAvoy]

I already suggested a few things for her design. Very doubtful she'll use them. Also when did I call her stupid?

Anyway I have been toying with the idea of the other Earth powers like Russian EU, and China reusing the 303 design but heavily upgraded from the get-go. I figure that with the US building expensive 304s, the other powers would build upgraded 303s or 303.5 whatevers.

Instead of the U shaped superstructure, it would be more solild, the superstructure slightly more squat. The hanger pods would be enlarged with 302s having foldable wings. Two fixed Asgard Plasma Cannons on the bow supplemented by a Russian build rapid firing Gauold type staff weapon they engineered.

The Goauld staff weapon that the Russians made is a reverse engineered and heavily modified weapon originally designed to shoot down enemy fighters or small craft. Turned out to be unsuccessful but when enhanced, could be used as a effective anti-ship weapon.

I figure the Chinese have two, the Russians have two, Britain has one, and the EU has one. All of them are assigned ultimately to the SGC but given some leeway according to their respective countries if they wished to explore.

The idea was basically allow Earth, not just the US to build ships.

[Cmdr. Setsuna F. Seyei]

@ McAvoy please do not take offense to my previous post it was made as a general statement.

and the"stupid" reference can be infered by how people write what they are typing.

remember the written word is highly subjective and open to being misinterpreted by the one who is reading it.

which is why most of the long term members and the mods ask people to be more gentle with what they write.

as for you ship, while it sounds good i do believe that in one episode the russian colonel says that after the U.S. spends billions of dollars perfecting the designs, they get them and build them at a much lower cost.

[thekillman]

this is how I make a starship; I first think to myself, "What do I want this starship to do ?" Once I have the desired role chosen I begin design. "How big must it be to fit this role ?" If the role calls for a smaller ship that I already have constructted, then I just assign the role to the premade ship. THAT is realistic.

Yes this is realistic. We never criticized this. it's the part where you go "my ship absolutely NEEDS to be 14km in order to work".

Why you need breeder ships is beyond me, if you have the construction and technology abilities of an entire galaxy, you could make a Dyson sphere around every star. And artificial gravity makes building all sorts of space habitats a LOT easier.

The only construct that somewhat makes sense to me is the Shipyard, it'll be big, yes, obviously bigger than the ship it makes.

nevermind, i just noticed the word "magic" on the Multiverse page.

Anyway I have been toying with the idea of the other Earth powers like Russian EU, and China reusing the 303 design but heavily upgraded from the get-go. I figure that with the US building expensive 304s, the other powers would build upgraded 303s or 303.5 whatevers.

well, the 303 was discarded for a reason.

[Princess Awinita]

nevermind, i just noticed the word "magic" on the Multiverse page.



well, the 303 was discarded for a reason.

Well, the Multiverse is any era, any character any linage whatever, so yeah, Magic happens. though most of the Aschen Factionsships have magic or mana inhibitors.

Now, I wonder, why were th 303s discarded ? Funky looking design ? {I personally thought it looked something akin to a buffalo with a long nose}

[thekillman]

Well, the Multiverse is any era, any character any linage whatever, so yeah, Magic happens. though most of the Aschen Factionsships have magic or mana inhibitors.

After i read some of the characters and factions of the Multiverse, i realized this discussion is pointless. The entire multiverse has nothing to do with realism, so trying to put some in ship design is moot.

Now, I wonder, why were th 303s discarded ? Funky looking design ? {I personally thought it looked something akin to a buffalo with a long nose}

it was designed based upon Earth's knowledge and limited experience. They learned a lot from the 303 in terms of design, but simply too many modifications were made. IE, the Asgard modified the structure, that goauld (Conrad?) modified the hyperdrive, and the Naquahdriah hyperdrive was ejected and replaced by a Goauld one.

Afterwards, the Asgard gave us shield and hyperdrive technology, which once again threw a wrench in the 303's design.

I consider it extremely likely that when the 304 was designed, at least 1 Asgard sat along the design table to ensure the asgard side of the technologies would be properly installed and designed into the ship.

Also, it's clear that the military wasn't 100% happy with the design, as the 304 features more guns and bigger and better hangars.

[Gormagon]

Another class of drone.
015-S-HAC-Hebi (Serpent.)
Size
-8.5 m long
-5.5 m wide
-2.5 m high

Type:Automated or manned short range attack craft.

Role: Stealth attack craft. Bombing or fighter interception duty.

Classification: Type one small hull. Designation-015-S-HAC-Hebi.

Builders: Hiati house with subcontracted parts from Yokuzaki, Mittsakou and Seronashi.

Operators: Houjin space navy.

Built: approx 2015-present.

Completed/planned: Unknown.

Active: Unknown.

In commission: 2016-present.

Powerplant
-LN fission cell
-Solar collector array
-5 batteries
Propulsion
Innertialess drive system
Emergency thrusters.
Defenses

-Shields: Yokuzaki/Mittsakou hybrid drone protection shield technology.
-Enhanced E.W system.
-10cm nano armor.
-1 cm stealth plating.
-Anti personnel surge system.(To protect against tampering.)
Weapons
-Four Drone sized plasma lances.
-Can carry 5 missiles or bombs.
Other
-Shielded drone AI system.
Can support 1 human sized life form in the cockpit and 2 in the missile/bomb bay.
Sophisticated passive/active sensor grid.

Design: Stealth tactics are an important part of any intel gathering operation. This craft has a far more sophisticated sensor system then what is usually present on combat drone craft, more on the lines of a probe.

Stealth tactics can also turn the tide of war in your favor quite quickly. The Houjin know this and have been building the Hebi series attack craft for these purposes.

It is a hybrid craft, it can go automated or it can have a pilot. Because of the need for more parts and systems it is slightly larger then its fellow attack craft.

Combat: The 015 Hebi in an excellent fighter interceptor as it has more DEW weapons designed for cutting enemy fighters to ribbons then the 042-B-AAC missile drone. It is also nearly impossible to get a target lock on for enemy fighters because of its E.W system and stealth plating, meaning the enemy has to fire well manually aiming.

As a bomber it does lack storage space as compared to missile drones, but to help counter this larger yield warheads are used. It also tends to come back intact more often then missile drones.

[thekillman]

A Note:

i'm kind of missing the point on what it can actually DO.

it has a shield, but how much can it take? it has batteries, but what kind? how powerful? What are those plasma lances like? how powerful are those?

Also, i don't see why these craft have to be Hybrids. this thing is much smaller than an F-35 lightning (Joint Strike Fighter). You need to carry oxygen, have lifesupport and all. i'm not even sure if the stuff you're suggesting can fit inside such a small craft, especially since i doubt it's gonna be box-like.

Another problem: you put stealth on a sensor probe. I think a ton of active sensors (which any good probe HAS) will completely nullify stealth capacity. Plus, it kind of depends whether your ship faces Goauld or Asgard sensors. so any statement on stealth needs to be specified.


Why you put a solar cell on this kind of craft is beyond me as well. I mean, first of all it nullifies stealth (which you don't have in space anyway), secondly it is only effective near a star. if you are around Pluto, the amount of sunlight can barely power your Iphone.


Define Nano Armor.

I just read an interesting article on Spider Silk. For example, you can make a pure silk bullet-proof vest, but the bullet will be stopped 10cm behind your body. It needs to be reinforced.

[Gormagon]

A Note:

i'm kind of missing the point on what it can actually DO.

it has a shield, but how much can it take? it has batteries, but what kind? how powerful? What are those plasma lances like? how powerful are those?

All information that I can post at some point, and these craft will be in stories later which I think will help the design process.

Also, i don't see why these craft have to be Hybrids. this thing is much smaller than an F-35 lightning (Joint Strike Fighter). You need to carry oxygen, have lifesupport and all. i'm not even sure if the stuff you're suggesting can fit inside such a small craft, especially since i doubt it's gonna be box-like.

A point I already was considering, I may increase the size.

Another problem: you put stealth on a sensor probe. I think a ton of active sensors (which any good probe HAS) will completely nullify stealth capacity. Plus, it kind of depends whether your ship faces Goauld or Asgard sensors. so any statement on stealth needs to be specified.

I know that, the active sensors are not on all the time, and its was its passive grid that was given the most work. I suppose I could remove many of the active sensors.

Its stealth grid would be effective against both Houjin and Goa'uld sensors. The Houjin have a few captured Ha'tak class vessels, so among other things they have a good idea of how Goa'uld type sensors work.

Asgard sensors make the Tau'ri to hard to sneak by. Not impossible, just difficult.

Why you put a solar cell on this kind of craft is beyond me as well. I mean, first of all it nullifies stealth (which you don't have in space anyway), secondly it is only effective near a star. if you are around Pluto, the amount of sunlight can barely power your Iphone.

Passive solar collectors that can be deployed in an emergency situation? Like say, the reactor had to be ejected, if the batteries are running out the solar collector could provide some support juice. I suppose I could get rid of them if you feel them unwise to possess.

Define Nano Armor.

Nano engineered plating made from an allotrope of carbon.

I just read an interesting article on Spider Silk. For example, you can make a pure silk bullet-proof vest, but the bullet will be stopped 10cm behind your body. It needs to be reinforced.

Makes sense. I hate walking into spider webs out in the woods. Hard to get off my lenses....

[thekillman]

I know that, the active sensors are not on all the time, and its was its passive grid that was given the most work. I suppose I could remove many of the active sensors.

then it won't be a good sensor probe anymore.

Asgard sensors make the Tau'ri to hard to sneak by. Not impossible, just difficult.

a fact you have to live with.

Nano engineered plating made from an allotrope of carbon.

what KIND of plating? simple ultra-long single-wall nanotubes? multi-walled? graphene composite?


NOTE:

Stealth doesn't really work in space. actually, not at all. It's just that Stargate sensors are rigged to somehow detect the energy fields associated with Naquahdah Generators. Probably some easy to detect subspace particle. powering down really is the only trick that works.
(IE: what Sheppard did in Enemy At the Gate to the Superhive).

the moment anyone figures out you're using that trick, infrared sensors will be installed and all "stealth" will be gone.

[Gormagon]

what KIND of plating? simple ultra-long single-wall nanotubes? multi-walled? graphene composite?

An advanced multi-walled nano armor, so not only is it very strong, but it is made to be extremely heat resistant and electrically conductive.

NOTE:
Stealth doesn't really work in space. actually, not at all. It's just that Stargate sensors are rigged to somehow detect the energy fields associated with Naquahdah Generators. Probably some easy to detect subspace particle. powering down really is the only trick that works.
(IE: what Sheppard did in Enemy At the Gate to the Superhive).
the moment anyone figures out you're using that trick, infrared sensors will be installed and all "stealth" will be gone.

Not sure I agree with that entirely. Perhaps you could build insulative plating or design some sort of physical shielding meant to keep the E5 energy from leaking.

Then again, there are always cloaks.

[Cmdr. Setsuna F. Seyei]

Then again, there are always cloaks.

and if you recall the daedy with asgard sensors can detect the emissions from a cloaking device,

and to be truly stealthy what you need is a thermal optical camoflage system that is the skin of the ship. if you are going to use it for recon or spying this is the best way to go as it can be run off of batteries.

stay with the passive sensors as they can be used if an enemy ship passes nearby. all you have to do is saturate enemy space with the stealth ships and you are good to go.just make sure that the passive sensors can also detect subspace transmissions and subspace fields(formed when a ship enters or exits hyperspace.)

@ the killman a probe with passive senors is just as capable as one with active sensors.

modern submarines only use active sensors when attemptng to get a targeting solution. and yet their passive systems are what picks up the enemy.

[Gormagon]

Ragnarok class warship.
Type: Warship

Role: Anti capitol ship

Size
2000m long
900 meters wide

Powerplant
-Experimental subspace tap
-Five mach VI Neutrino-ion generators

Propulsion
-Asgard high power innertialess repulsor array
-Asgard intergalactic hyperdrive

Defenses
-Multiple layer advanced Asgard force shield grid
-2.5m NTC high energy dispersion plating reinforced with neutronium
-Ion point defense turret array or miniaturized APBW array.
-E.M systems
-Enhanced explosive suppression system
-Interior anti personal defense system
-Interior anti Prior device array
-Asgard cloaking system
Weapons
-14 hard points for ether Ion cannons or APBW's.
-Four Asgard W.O.M.D launching tubes.
-Many bombs
Carrying capacity
-80 Asgard drone bombers
-Optional, other assorted craft
-Carries a cargo hold of anti prior devices and energy dampening devices for countering Priors and Ori hand held weapons
Other
-10 long range high power transporter arrays
-12 secondary transporter arrays
-20 long range ring transporters
-Top quality Asgard sensors
Crew capacity
1 needed, space for around 8000 RisarRisar
Design: With the Ori threat looming, the Asgard started designing all new technologies to counter act the impressively powerful Ori forces, including shields, weapons, attempts to enhance hyperspeed, and the blueprints of a new class of warship. Well the O'Neill was powerful in its own right, fighting the Ori was not what it was meant to do. Its computer systems were designed to be Replicator resistant, its alloys strengthened, its shields resistant to Replicator block attack and its ion cannons well adjustable were specialized for far more kinetic impact energy then previous cannons. The O'Neill was sophisticated. But it was not meant to fight an Ori incursion. The Ragnarok is.

The Ragnarok was designed after the battle of the Chapa'ko, when the sensor data of an O'Neill that escaped into hyperspace could be analyzed by Asgard scientists and engineers. Blueprints were drawn up. A prototype was approved. However certain events kept it from being mass produced.

Combat:Well larger then an O'Neill class ship, it has superior maneuverability due to its high energy innertialess system. This allows it to avoid for the most part anyway, Ori main cannon fire. It has an extensive long range transporter system keyed into the fluctuation of Ori shields as they fire their main weapons for deploying its Risar combat drones onto Ori mother ships, or for deploying Asgard bombs. The Risar battle groups all have an anti Prior device and an energy dampening device. The E.D.D does not effect Risar weapons, but it only partially effects Ori crusader weapons.

Its shields are designed to better handle Ori energy weaponry. It has 14 hard points for the most advanced energy weapons available to the Asgard, these 14 points are arranged on the ship so that as it is maneuvering around the Ori mother ships they can keep firing and keep firing. Its PD system can counter Ori fighters.

[StargateWatcher]

Ragnarok class warship.
Type: Warship

Role: Anti capitol ship

Size
2000m long
900 meters wide

Powerplant
-Experimental subspace tap
-Five mach VI Neutrino-ion generators

Propulsion
-Asgard high power innertialess repulsor array
-Asgard intergalactic hyperdrive

Defenses
-Multiple layer advanced Asgard force shield grid
-2.5m NTC high energy dispersion plating reinforced with neutronium
-Ion point defense turret array or miniaturized APBW array.
-E.M systems
-Enhanced explosive suppression system
-Interior anti personal defense system
-Interior anti Prior device array
-Asgard cloaking system
Weapons
-14 hard points for ether Ion cannons or APBW's.
-Four Asgard W.O.M.D launching tubes.
-Many bombs
Carrying capacity
-80 Asgard drone bombers
-Optional, other assorted craft
-Carries a cargo hold of anti prior devices and energy dampening devices for countering Priors and Ori hand held weapons
Other
-10 long range high power transporter arrays
-12 secondary transporter arrays
-20 long range ring transporters
-Top quality Asgard sensors
Crew capacity
1 needed, space for around 8000 RisarRisar
Design: With the Ori threat looming, the Asgard started designing all new technologies to counter act the impressively powerful Ori forces, including shields, weapons, attempts to enhance hyperspeed, and the blueprints of a new class of warship. Well the O'Neill was powerful in its own right, fighting the Ori was not what it was meant to do. Its computer systems were designed to be Replicator resistant, its alloys strengthened, its shields resistant to Replicator block attack and its ion cannons well adjustable were specialized for far more kinetic impact energy then previous cannons. The O'Neill was sophisticated. But it was not meant to fight an Ori incursion. The Ragnarok is.

The Ragnarok was designed after the battle of the Chapa'ko, when the sensor data of an O'Neill that escaped into hyperspace could be analyzed by Asgard scientists and engineers. Blueprints were drawn up. A prototype was approved. However certain events kept it from being mass produced.

Combat:Well larger then an O'Neill class ship, it has superior maneuverability due to its high energy innertialess system. This allows it to avoid for the most part anyway, Ori main cannon fire. It has an extensive long range transporter system keyed into the fluctuation of Ori shields as they fire their main weapons for deploying its Risar combat drones onto Ori mother ships, or for deploying Asgard bombs. The Risar battle groups all have an anti Prior device and an energy dampening device. The E.D.D does not effect Risar weapons, but it only partially effects Ori crusader weapons.

Its shields are designed to better handle Ori energy weaponry. It has 14 hard points for the most advanced energy weapons available to the Asgard, these 14 points are arranged on the ship so that as it is maneuvering around the Ori mother ships they can keep firing and keep firing. Its PD system can counter Ori fighters.

Nice! I like you continuing to build on what the Asgard already do well. Can only imagine what an Asgard WOMD can do. They're usually hesitant to employ any WOMDs, though one exception is when they black-holed the replicators.

Did they design the bombs in order to vertically release them to descend on the enemy? I always interpret bombs as doing that lol. How powerful are these bombs btw?

[Gormagon]

I suppose the could drop bombs onto Ori motherships, but the launch tubes are really advanced EM projection devices, so the bombs can be launched at hyper sonic speed.

As for power, it depends on the bombs. Some Asgard W.O.M.D's (At least how I figure it.) use hyper dense capacitor technology to release an explosion of ion energy. Another type relies on enriched naquadah or standard naquadria fission. One of the most advanced works by using a destabilized subspace tap to release a massive amount of energy. Then of course there is the collapsar device designed by the Asgard Fenrir.(Black hole weapon.)

[Cmdr. Setsuna F. Seyei]

something new that i have been working on. no specs as of yet. only class and designation

Type: Carrier
Class:Heracles
Designation: UE-DSC-220 Iphicles


http://setsuna-f-seyei.deviantart.co...cles-301314097

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

I can't post the ship I'm working on.. So here are some robots