Atlantis Mythology?? Real World Atlantis...

[Stargate Agent]

It is obvious to most people who have seen Stargate: Atlantis' pilot episode that using Atlantis as a basis for a show this opens up a great wealth of mythology surrounding the Lost City of Atlantis...

According to Plato he described Atlantis as city of "enormous mineral wealth," going on to further describe Atlantis as a city that was ahead of its time in terms of technology and inventions. This tends to agree with Stargate: Atlantis in the fact that the Ancients were greatly advanced compared to the native humans on earth.

In Regards to the location of Atlantis speculation is around the South China Sea (at least from what I have read). Obviously not anywhere near Antartica. Although some people believe it was in Europe...However maybe continental shift could have played a role in moving the Ancient outpost in Stargate: Atlantis...

Oddly enough from what I have read on the subject so far is that Atlantis "sank" around the end of an Ice Age. Which means the when the Ice caps melted Atlantis was washed away by a flood. This is believed to have happened around 10,000 to 12,000 years ago.

Atlantis is often described as a sunken continent however not just as a city.

Plato refered in his works that Atlantis had around 20 million people and most of these people perished when the city sank. Quite a large city for that period in history. I find that to be quite impossible to have that many people in a city during those times because obviously the city's land area would have to have been massive.

Atlantis sank because of a great flood. Most religion and science confirms this happened many years ago. Many of you may know the story of Noah and the Ark.

I just started studying this so i probably made many mistakes here. Feel free to comment or add some observations of your own if you like history...

[DownFallAngel]

The sunken city of China, was actually a vanishing city, and it was called Shangri-La. We talked about that one.

[Selmak]

Theoretically Plato heard it from the surviving Ancients.

[cobraR478]

Wouldn't water levels drop after an ice age since water expands as it freezes?

[DownFallAngel]

No he heard it from an Egyptian, who could or could not have been an Ancient descendant.


Wiat a second. If Ra took a human host, the host, could have had the Ancient Gene, meaning that Ra could have at any time gotten Anicnet technology. He also good have none about Atlantis the whole time...well the story and all...Would be bad if he sent a massive fleet to go looking for Atlantis...

[Metonic]

It is possible that he knew of Atlantis but... I belive htis is what happened.

Great plague, Ancients leave our galaxy to escape it.
Thousands or millions of years later Ra found Earth.
Hundreds or thousands of years later the Ancients returned to Earth after being forced into a corner by the Wraith, suprised that they werent where their stargate was they discovered Gou'alds and started the rebellion eventually they buried the gate but soon after the plague followed them and killed off many of them. Those who escaped the plague were most likely in the British Islands as some one else has stated the scottish Scienctist and Oniel being Irish or Scottish of some sort, in anycase the Asgaurd were the gods of the area I believe which is probably why the Ancients went to this area and the asgaurd assisted them and allowed them to live, then some decided to live out their lifes as "humans" and others acended. Thats my theory if I wasnt so tired Id right it better with mroe detail.

[Selmak]

There Ancients come back to our galaxy because of the Wraith plague in pegasus.

[Metonic]

They never said the Wriath were the plague, They said the wraith may have defeated them but once again. The opening sequence of Atlantis explains it. The girl was carrying the virus, They left her in the outpost. That is proof the Plague struck BEFORE the Wraith.

[David85]

First off the girl might not have THE Plague, she could just have another one.

"Plato refered in his works that Atlantis had around 20 million people and most of these people perished when the city sank. Quite a large city for that period in history. I find that to be quite impossible to have that many people in a city during those times because obviously the city's land area would have to have been massive."


20 million is a lot of people for Plato's time, heck how many people were on the planet then?

[Metonic]

First off the girl might not have THE Plague, she could just have another one.

"Plato refered in his works that Atlantis had around 20 million people and most of these people perished when the city sank. Quite a large city for that period in history. I find that to be quite impossible to have that many people in a city during those times because obviously the city's land area would have to have been massive."


20 million is a lot of people for Plato's time, heck how many people were on the planet then?

20,100 lol sound bout right lol Im guessing there were over a couple millionpossibly 10 or 15 mil at the VERY MAX 50 mil

[David85]

I was thinking 25 million, 50 million.... maybe. But what's up with this... "Plato refered in his works that Atlantis had around 20 million people...". That's a lot of people now, the biggest city (pop wise) is Mexico City with 25 million and that's with an Earth population of 6.1 billion.

[Metonic]

It is possible that the City of Atlantis had that many people after all more advanced. Besides if the City of Atlantis was real then the ancients told platu how many use to live there or how manby could and he exagerated.

[Stargate Agent]

The Atlantis Population
As I stated above Plato did refer to 20 million people being in Atlantis. I do however find this to be crazy talk in terms that the technology of the time would not allow this (ie. no skyscapers, no water treatment systems, etc). However Atlantis was also refered to as a city "ahead of it's time" in terms of technology so who knows...

Bible a Source of History
Oddly enough a lot of people who study these things have pointed out that the Bible and Plato's works do corraborate each other in terms of historial fact. whether or not you have read the bible, it is a great source of historical data as well as a religious book.

Atlantis Didn't Really Sink
I would like to point out that Atlantis is believed not to have "sank" because geologists would debate this to no end that a continent can't actually sink. It was because of the melting of the polar ice caps that caused the oceans to rise so significantly that Atlantis was basically covered with water.

Pillar of the Sky
Atlantis also had a Pillar in the center of the city which was generally believed to be a mountain in the center of the city, Mt. Atlas to be exact. Maybe this Pillar idea was picked up in Stargate: Atlantis considering their in a huge pillar in the center of the city.

Note: Sometimes this pillar is also referred to as a Obelisk...

Here is a map of the area around the South China Sea where Atlantis is considered to be. The area in green is the area which are considered to be underwater.

[Positively Kanyon]

I have read theories that Atlantis was actually situated in Indonesia somewhere... A map of Pangea (the name given to the super continent before continental drift tore it apart) shows that Anarctica was part of India and Indonesia which could explain things a bit.

http://www.ig.utexas.edu/research/pr...ges/pangea.jpg

On a side note... has anybody here seen Atlantis: The Lost Empire by Disney? Draws some close similarities between the Stargate universe and Disney's Atlantis universe.

[Major Tyler]

I found a website that actually thinks that Atlantis is/was in Antarctica. Basically, if you flip the world upside-down, all of what Plato says points perfectly to Antactica. The reason we flip the world upside-down is because, to the ancient Egyptians, South was actually North, because that is the way the Nile flowed.

Here is the link...it's very, VERY interesting:

http://www.flem-ath.com/del1.htm

[baal07]

From what I have heard and researched about the Lost City of Atlantis, It was probally an Island city of the ancient Minoin Civilization located in the Mediterian. The Minions had colonies and city's all over the Mediterian and probally traded with the Egyptions. That Island which they beleive was Atlantis had some kind of volcanic or natural explosion wich was huge enough to cover almost the whole world with dust for days and decimated the island and probally decimated the Minion military leaving them open for attack. The Island explosion is a fact(Calafornia redwoods shows evidence of a large explosion covering that far dating back to that timeframe). Scientist believe the Minoins controlled and lived througout the Mediterian which is as big as a small continent, thus creating the continent and 20 million people part of the story. Also the Minoins were very advanced for their time. Most of this is from Aegean: Lost City of Atlantis, a special I saw on the History Channel. Bad spelling, I know.

[ylai]

Well, I doubt that (see the title of this thread) you can really refer what Plato mentioned in his Dialogues as "real-world". Quite a significant amount of what has been told in the Greek literature has not been or could not be verified by archaelogy. If e.g. even reports that about a place that is so close to Mykenae and predates the Greek literature only by 400 years cannot be verified by the actual Trojan excavations in Turkey - and this about "the greatest war in the Greek history", what reason should we have to trust Plato's Timaeus and Critias about something that predates Greek by probably > 1000 years blindly?

[VirtualCLD]

POSSIBL SPOILERS FOR Rising mixed in









I have heard many, many stories about Atlantis and I have a slight interest about listening and reading Atlantis theories (one of the reasons I like SGA so much). From what I've heard of Plato's account, he picked the story of Atlantis up from an Egyptian priest, where it was passed down orally for many, many generations. Obviously, this gives the story a lot of fiction because a story that is told by word of mouth is never told the same way twice.

Anyhow, from what I have heard, Plato claimed the city/continent sank/dissapeared about 10,000 years before his time, which would place it about 12,400 years before ours. Many people believe this figure is mostly incorrect, but it might make sense with the SGA universe.

Now, he also claimed it was divided into three rings/circles, with a harbor around the center, which contained a tower/obelisk/maybe even a mountain. Yes, he also mentioned that it was very advanced and had about 20 million people. Now, from a real world sense, this is highly scepticle unless ti was a continent. For SGA, this figure could possibly work, Atlantis did look pretty big in the premiere.

As far as where Atlantis was, Plato claimed that it lay "beyond the pillars of Herakles (or commonly reffered to in the latin alphabet as Hercules)" which is believed to be the Straight of Gibraltar. There is some debate as to whether or not Plato got the Straight of Gibraltar confused with some other rock formation. It's prety well established that the pillars of Herakles is the Straight of Gibraltar, but maybe Plato made a mistake and Atlantis did not lie beyond the pillars of Herakles but a different rock formation.

I've heard many claims as to where Atlatnis might have been or ended up. All of the range from the island of Thera (the small Minoan civilization volcano island that blew up in the time of the Old Testiment), to the Canary island, to the Carribean, to Indonesia, to both North and South America, Iceland, and yes Antarctica.

In real-life, the island of Thera fits in some ways, but not others. Yes, because it was a volcano, there was definately a tall thing in the center of the island, which could be the tower he was reffering to. Also, the island was circular (obviously), but there was also a harbor that came in towards the center of the island which also ifts the description. The Minoans were advanced for the time, we believe they had the first form of ancient greek writing and taught the rest of the greek penninsula how to write. They also had some basic multistory buildings with running cold and hot water. The hot water came from the thermal springs of the active volcano. Eventually, the volcano blew it's top in a major way. The island is but a shadowy crater of it's former self. Some people believe that the fire and brimstone that supposedly rained down when Moses was trying to free his people from the Pharoh of Egypt, came from the volcanic explosion of Thera.

Unfortunately, the timing is way off as well as the location and the amount of people who lived there. Some attribute this to the story of Atlantis being corrupted over the generations, who knows.

As far as Antarctica is concerned, well, it does like beyond the pillars of Herakles (Straight of Gibraltar). As someone else mentioned, if you do flip north and south, Antarctica does kind of fit the location of where Atlantis should be, based on Plato's account. There is not great harbor or tower/mountain in/near the center, but maybe one time there was, especially since the Ancient outpost was in the middle of Antarctica and the city of Atlantis sat over it. Also, the great harbor could be a space harbor, not a sea harbor. In addition, we're not 100% sure what Antarctica looked like before it was coverred with ice.

Anyway, that's my input on the subject. The real life myths of Atlantis can fit into the SGA universe, so let's see where they take us.

[Lugal]

Pretty much anywhere you could think of, someone has placed Atlantis there. There are also many other lost cities or lands in legends from all over the world: Ys, Lyonesse, Hamaz, so I wonder how many aspects from these legends SGA can incorporate.

[Major Tyler]

I've heard many claims as to where Atlantis might have been or ended up. All of the range from the island of Thera (the small Minoan civilization volcano island that blew up in the time of the Old Testiment), to the Canary island, to the Carribean, to Indonesia, to both North and South America, Iceland, and yes Antarctica.

Which theory places Atlantis in North America? I haven't heard of that one.