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    Will it be every race for themselves in S10? (Spoilers)

    This has probably already been theorized, but before anyone reds me - I DID HAVE A LOOK, but couldn't find anything like this.

    Also, my post will definately and it's likely that any replies wil contain

    SPOILERS



    In the first ep, Adria tells us the Ori's side of the Ori/Ancient war, could she be right? From all the people in our galaxy, how many do the Ancient's ascend? None - so they're no better than the Ori in that respect. Before anyone yells Oma or Daniel at me - Oma was a rogue who was not supposed to be ascending people and the Ancients did end up descending Daniel.

    The Ancients did create a lot of, if not all, the life in our galaxy, perhaps so that they could drain more strength? They left behind a lot of writings and information about themselves, but not really anything about the path to ascension.

    If the Ancients really do draw strength from their followers, it would give further motive for the Ori to attack the Sodan rather than just vengence. In the hope that by attacking legendary Ancient worshippers, word will spread through the galaxy about it.

    Also, from Adria's speech, it sounds as though their fights must have been going on since before or around the time of the first ascensions. So maybe they were all one big happy family before different beliefs seperated the two colonies and a universal civil war occurred.

    The Ancients then created many galaxies of humans to worship them and grant them strength and clearly managed to beat the Ori back. This would also explain the Ori's methods, if you don't worship them then you're seen to be helping the Ancients and are therefore destroyed.

    So I'm not saying that the Ori are good, but are they in fact fighting the true evil? Earth happens to be caught in the middle, meaning that it is the neutral between the two fires. Also, every other planet has clearly got to choose between the two great super powers.

    Also, we're apparently getting both a new enemy and a lot more on the Ancients, could they be the same thing?

    Sorry about giving you War and Peace btw.
    * Always remember - You are unique, just like everyone else. *

    * Avoid employing unlucky people, throw half of the CVs in the bin without reading them. *

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    #2
    Didnt the Ancients asend all of the people of Abydos when Anubis destroyed the planet As well as Orlin but he was already an ancient. What about Daniel Oma helped him assend and she was an ancient. And if the Atlantians and the Alterns where the same they built that place in pegasus where they can go and time goes fast so they can assend.

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      #3
      Abydos could have been ascended by Oma or some of the other rogues.

      As for the place in Pegasus, maybe it was built by the Ori? Notice how the Ancients sent that beast thing to keep the inhabitants away from ascension? Maybe it wasn't a test, just a barrier. They wouldn't have gotten through it if it weren't for Sheppard.

      If the Ori were originally in Pegasus before leaving for their own galaxy, perhaps they were responsible for making the Wraith and that virus assuming that it would destroy the Ancients in Pegasus before being able to proceed straight through to the MW to destroy any Ancients. It just didn't quite go to plan.
      * Always remember - You are unique, just like everyone else. *

      * Avoid employing unlucky people, throw half of the CVs in the bin without reading them. *

      Lost City, Part 2 - The Gateworld best ep S1-7

      The 'Everyone Gets A Compliment' Thread

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        #4
        In answer to the main queston, yes it will be every race for themselves, but earth will choose the alterans, so will the asgard. nothing will change becuase the motives are different. Earth has more reason to trust the alterans than the ori, look at the ori/alteran resume:

        alteran:
        Ascend DJ twice.
        destroyed anubis
        ascended the entire popualtion of abydos
        froze time to save earth from the self destruct
        sent an ascended to help earth against the prior plauge
        created an ascended centre 'epiphiny'

        now for the ori
        tried to destroy earth
        blew up its first warship
        killed 8000 people in a week
        wiped out entire planets for saying no
        tried to corrupt the FJN
        tried to kill general landry

        Earth will trust the alterans. the rest of the galaxy, humans, will follow earth. tealc trusts earth, braytak trusts tealc, earth trusts the alterans, jaffa trusts the alterans, asgard are our allies/ friends of the ancients/alterans, so will trust alterans.....point is nothing will change.
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          #5
          Alterrans
          Ascend DJ twice.
          destroyed anubis
          ascended the entire popualtion of abydos
          These were/could have been done by Oma.

          froze time to save earth from the self destruct
          There's no proof that this was the Ancients

          sent an ascended to help earth against the prior plauge
          They sent someone to help stop the Ori from killing many humans who may one day be useful in giving the Ancients power enough to destroy the Ori. Also, it gave them the chance to feed us with information about how evil the Ori are. They were just trying to keep the universe against the Ori.

          created an ascended centre 'epiphiny'
          See my last post.


          Ori
          tried to destroy earth
          killed 8000 people in a week
          wiped out entire planets for saying no
          tried to kill general landry
          They're trying to kill the supporters of the Ancients, just as we would kill the worshippers of the Ori if it were necessary to stopping the true evil. Also, we have to done a lot to harm them, a retalliation was inevitable.

          blew up its first warship
          I thought the LA did that, o well. If not, read up.

          tried to corrupt the FJN
          What's FJN?
          * Always remember - You are unique, just like everyone else. *

          * Avoid employing unlucky people, throw half of the CVs in the bin without reading them. *

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            #6
            Originally posted by immhotep
            froze time to save earth from the self destruct
            When was that? I dnt remember that.... O_O
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              #7
              The Ancient do not ascend people, besides Oma, who's now probably still busy elsewhere. However, the Ancients never PREVENT people from Ascending.

              They just don't meddle (much) in the lower planes' affairs because of what might happen (Orlinn).

              Why would the Ori come to the Pegasus Galaxy just to build the sanctuary and then leave?! Why not force the Pegasus Galaxy to worship them? Perform some miracle like kill off the Wraith.

              As far as we know, the Ori don't even know of the existance of the Pegasus Galaxy. The sanctuary was said to have been built by the Ancestors, i.e. the Ancients. So unless ALL of the Ancients in the Pegasus Galaxy were Ori, no.



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                #8
                Perhaps the sanctuary was just supposed to give false hope about ascending then? The people never would have managed it if not for Sheppard.
                * Always remember - You are unique, just like everyone else. *

                * Avoid employing unlucky people, throw half of the CVs in the bin without reading them. *

                Lost City, Part 2 - The Gateworld best ep S1-7

                The 'Everyone Gets A Compliment' Thread

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                  #9
                  Erm... ever notice that the Ancients made no such promises of ascension? They don't have followers, they don't call themselves gods. The Sodan only think they are because of the tech that they left behind.

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                    #10
                    the ancient are reveered because of what they left behind not because of who they are now. most of the galaxy only learned about ascension when anubis arrived, or we told them. kebb was the only reference in this galaxy to it. the stargates , the most important peice of technolgy ever created IMO is why the ancients are worshiped, not because they are all powerfull.
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                    Original Starship DesignThread
                    Sanctuary for all | http://virtualfleet.vze.com/
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                      #11
                      I can see that I stand alone in this thought, but nevertheless...

                      The Ancients make no promise of ascension and therefore don't ascend anyone. They don't need to claim themselves as gods, as many races, such as the Sodan, already worshipped them. It's likely that they haven't needed to recruit any more worshippers recently as the Ori have been keeping to themselves, but who's to say that this won't change?
                      * Always remember - You are unique, just like everyone else. *

                      * Avoid employing unlucky people, throw half of the CVs in the bin without reading them. *

                      Lost City, Part 2 - The Gateworld best ep S1-7

                      The 'Everyone Gets A Compliment' Thread

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                        #12
                        lantians are alterrans.

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                          #13
                          Something about the Ancients and Orlin, if the Ancients were truly neutral, unwilling to interfere, why did they destroy an entire population, the one that Orlin gave that incredibly advanced weapon to. I know it is said that they did it to correct Orlin's mistake, but these are ascended beings, they could have reversed time, destroyed the weapon, erased memories, but no they decided to kill off everyone on the planet.

                          If the Ori are telling the truth, maybe some of the Lantians were Ori, they could have came with the Ancient's to the Milky Way, and then to Pegasus, after they helped the Ancients to betray the Ori.

                          What are you talking about the Ancients don't get people to worship them? In the Stargate universe they are responsible for Earth's many religions, even Daniel commented on whether or not the Ancients made fire evil. In Pegasus Chaya keeps people much like the Ori, they worship Athar, the only good Ancient we have met is Oma. They sent Orlin back to us as child, I think because they knew it was more likely we would perceive a child as innocent, therefore telling the truth. Again, these are ascended beings, they could have given the information necessary to cure to plague, to a computer, while never leaving their place of existence, except to inform us what it meant.

                          Have the Ori ascended anyone, we don't know, we know that the Ancients said they haven't, and the only Ancient that has ascended anyone is Oma, we don't even know if she is an Ancient.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by da_hippie
                            Perhaps the sanctuary was just supposed to give false hope about ascending then? The people never would have managed it if not for Sheppard.
                            I thought it was implied or even stated that the people who came before those people had already ascended themselves. This generation was merely still bound because of this fear/beast of theirs.

                            Originally posted by telpethoniel
                            Did anyone notice in the credits that it said that the changed to human and then lifesucked by the hive queen ex wraith but turned to human guy (in lab on bed) in Alies was James Lafazanos (He plays all the talking wraith in Atlantis so far ie. Bob, steve, gordon etc, plus he also plays the wraith scientist in Allies!
                            We finally get to see what he looks like under all that makeup YAY!
                            Cool! What was he credited as? XD



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                              #15
                              Originally posted by da_hippie
                              What's FJN?
                              Free Jaffa Nation.

                              Also about Atlantis Beast creature, that wasnt created by the Ascended but rather by the fears of those who were on the path to ascension.

                              Yes, the Ori wish to guide you away from the darkness for you have been raised by evi. Hallowed are the Ori.


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                              'Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out among the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished' -


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