Possible new strategy with hiveships POSSIBLE SPOILERS

[freyr's mother]

I've been thinking about this for a while. Since the Daedalus' weapons suck ass, why cant they just ram the hiveships. The hives don't have shields and the Daedy has asgard shields. It's a better alternative than taking a lot of damage or getting destroyed. I would love to see Deddy just plow right throught the middle of a hiveship. Sure we have no idea how much power it will drain from the shields upon impact so why dont we test it on a cruiser.

[NakedJehutyV2]

shields don't protect against projectiles (solid)

[freyr's mother]

Almost every kind of shield we've encountered in the sgu has been up against some kind of solid object and survived. In TSIII in the beginning we see a dart fly into the right side of deddys shield and it blows up while leaving deddy untouched. What im talking about is the same thing on a signifigantly larger scale.

[Auralis]

Ramming at high speeds with such a large object is no different from taking a direct point blank nuke hit. and depending on speed much more powerfull.
The D would most likely be toast with the hive together.

[jenks]

^^ I'm pretty sure the deddy's sheild could take getting hit with a nuke...

What I don't understand is why they haven't fitted some sort of nuke release mechanism on a puddle jumped, cloak it, pull up next to a hive ship and then drop the nuke and run...

[Wraith_Hunter]

I highly doubt it could withstand a collision of that magnitude.

First there is the fact of what the energy weapons can do from distance, then you have to consider how many times that would multiply when they get to a few metres out. That alone would probably take out the Daedalus in itself. They have around a half a dozen to a dozen turrets or so on them, so if you look at something like 'The Hive' you can see just how quickly & how many shots can come out.

Once it even got to ramming range, if it's not already toast, then any sort of banging most certainly do it.

Besides, when you see the Hive ships going up in 'The Siege III' & 'The Hive', especially 'The Hive', when one goes up, the resulting explosion automatically takes out the other. Given the fact that Daedalus shielded or not is around 100 times smaller, then there really isn't any doubts in my mind that it'd be toast.

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See what happens for a similar storyline! It has been upgraded with the same intergalactic drive as the Daedalus & other stuff which includes beaming tech. So since it has the best of that stuff, then it's pretty obvious that it must have also got proper shields as well during the last refit.

My conclusion is that it'd be easily destroyed before it even go close enough to even contemplate ramming. If it somehow managed to survive then it's shields would be depleted to dangerously low levels & it's go up when the Hive begins to explode.

Either way there is no chance I could see it surviving.

[Aussie_86]

So, we know we can't beam a nuke inside a hive ship.

Ramming them is not too good.

Can't we beam a nuke next to a hive ship?

[freyr's mother]

Allright, ramming the hive might not work, but when deddy comes up against one it just sits on its ass and takes a beating. Since a moving target is always harder to hit, why dont they just keep flying around and shooting and launching nukes. That would save a lot on the shields.

[Wraith_Hunter]

So, we know we can't beam a nuke inside a hive ship.

Ramming them is not too good.

Can't we beam a nuke next to a hive ship?

When the Wraith jam, it won't just be inside the Hive ship, it'll also be a radius outside & around it as well.

They thought of beaming it inside, so I'm sure that dropping one right next to the hull could do some much needed damage as well after the beaming tech failed. So it's most likely the exact same thing on Earth. Where you can get cell phone jammers. You place it somewhere & turn it you. Then it emits a signal out within a certain range that blocks any & all cell phone's that are inside this radius. The phone will still work, you can mess around with it, you just can't get a signal while your in range of the jammer. So to get a cell reception you need to go outside the jammers range.

This will be the exact same thing with the Wraith ships. They won't just emit it solely inside their ships. It'll be coming outside & around the ships that works for a certain range. So if they did beam them outside. Then it would have to go outside the jammers range, which simply means that it'd be too far away to do any damage at all.

So what they need is an anti-jammer to broadcast something back to the jammer & break the encryption code that secures it. Once they do that, then the Wraith will have to change codes or put it on something like random mode, where the code automatically changes every few seconds.

Allright, ramming the hive might not work, but when deddy comes up against one it just sits on its ass and takes a beating. Since a moving target is always harder to hit, why dont they just keep flying around and shooting and launching nukes. That would save a lot on the shields.

In all honesty there sin't any need to not say they have weapons that can cause damage, the fact is that they do have them. Simply look no further than the hangar bay. They had 9/10 Drones left, then got more again in 'The Tower'. They even used a cloaked jumper in the middle of the ep for goodness sake.

Simply load up the hangar bays with PJ's. When they get in trouble, open up the bay doors & have the jumpers blast Drones out at the Hive ships. They can be protected via the shield, so aren't risking anything at all. The fire from inside the Asgard shield, it goes out & seeks the target. If shots come towards the jumpers, then it hits the shields surrounding the hangar bay. The Drones hit their target & either destroy it or cause massive amounts of damage.

This is a plot hole & a severe one that that. On a few seperate ocassions now, we have seen Daedalus charge in since they knew that they couldn't beam any longer. Yet they still insist on Rail guns as their primary attack weapon. They even have started putting a jumper on Daedalus 7 we've seen it be utilized in 2 different eps now. 'The Hive' & also 'Allies'. Yet we are led to believe that these are the brightest & best people that Earth has to offer, yet they have a jumper in there & continuosly forget to even think of using Drones. It's bad writing to me, in totally ignoring this loop hole, then they don't even need to think hard about actually making sense in episodes with their scenarios & plots. Simply lazy writing!

Then the fact that the SGC basically won the Jaffa their freedom single handedly, yet didn't even think of taking a few of the Anubis or Replicator enhanced ships for themselves. Then they could have stripped it down & took the energy weapons etc & fitted them on their ships. Of course that is also is too easy, because goodness help the Wraith if that ever were the case, especially when you consider what has already happened with their primitive weapons & tactics.

They even have a perfectly working Dart, that we have seen can cause damage to Hive ships, yet that along with everything else seems to have mysteriously disappeared.

That really is what irks me about the Daedalus, weapons saga!

They have these other means of causing damage, yet are written in to keep ignoring logic & charging in head first with their rail guns. It is starting to get severely irritating!

[creed462]

You know in Robotech they had an attack where there they ramed a Zentriti ship with the Dealus(Sp) arm of the Macross. It was called the Dealus attack so I think such an attact would be to much like the other show.

Second the amount of damage whould be too great for the dealus.

[Mattathias2.0]

So... all we have to do is build about 55 more Daedelus-class ships, send them over to Pegasus, seek out a hive ship, and rams away (The Daedelus would be destroyed easily).

Horrible, horrible idea...

Mattathias

[Enokrad]

Why don't we arm a drone with a nuke riding piggyback. Drones are capable to penetrate the Anubis shields. the wraith ones should be a joke

[freyr's mother]

The wraith dont have shields. They only have the canopy that forms on the dart. I wouldnt even call it a shield.

[Wraith_Hunter]

Why don't we arm a drone with a nuke riding piggyback. Drones are capable to penetrate the Anubis shields. the wraith ones should be a joke

Simply because the warhead is much larger than the Drone. Thern also the fact that with all that extra weight the thing probably wouldn't even be capable of flight. Then if it did manage to take the strain, it would be terribly slowed down, so just as we seen with Shep's 302 tactics. It would be shot down long before it had even got near the Hive.

The only reason that they managed to take out Anubis' fleet, was the sheer number of Drones that were released, they overwhelmed the ships & so a single one or two, I don't imagine would make it to the Hive ship at all before bing destroyed. The only way is to get close to it, a PJ wouldn't risk it because it'd probably be taken out shortly after, Daedalus also wouldn't risk getting too close, we have seen the sort of instant damage that can be done from a pretty far out range. The closer in they get, the more powerul the impacts become. Which is far too risk, especially if they were ever to disable the Daedalus, they could take the drives & beaming tech with them. So the only way is to load up the Daedalus with 4/5 PJ's then have them lauch them towards the Hive.

They will never give them total advantage over the Wraith, simply because it would supposedly make it too easy. Everybody says that they want energy weapons, then give us them now. This way, they can make the Wraith earn their status & show us exactly why they defeated the Ancients. Start of small, give them Al'kesh weapons that have been reclaimed. Make them be able to damage Wraith Hive ships, but simply because they are too big, then not enough damage can be done before the weapons run down & need recharging. Then upgrade them to more powerful ones & show us how smart they are next by having them develop shields that were taken from a crashed or captured Ancient ship.

This way we all get what we want, they get to show how big & bad the Wraith are & not the allowing prisoners on their ships with knives in their hair buffoons that they appear to be. Then equally as important, we finally get to have some energy weapons, they may not be very good, but at least they are there.

It sure would make a chnage from the lets attack the Wraith, fire rail guns & try beaming again. Especially when it's been done on 4 seperate eps this year. 'The Siege III', 'Aurora', 'The Hive' & 'Allies'. It's getting a little too repetitive for me, so hopefully they'll change it up a bit next season for a change.

[Oscar06]

Personally taking on the wraith ship, with a ship to ship attitude isn't the answer. I think that we need to think the way that the azgard think about us with the replicators. They needed a more primitive approach they would never think of that is to risky. For example, how about going a little more with the style of fighter and bombers. Think the wraith ships don't have conventional sheilds, if we lets say make a type of bunker buster enhanced warhead with our reactors thats something they have never defended against. Sure it may not solve the problem totally but it's something they haven't come against.

[creed462]

How bout self replicating space mine... opps been done
Cloked mines....
How bout mines they only detinate when they detect living wraith DNA with in a close distance.

[Wraith_Hunter]

Personally taking on the wraith ship, with a ship to ship attitude isn't the answer. I think that we need to think the way that the azgard think about us with the replicators. They needed a more primitive approach they would never think of that is to risky. For example, how about going a little more with the style of fighter and bombers. Think the wraith ships don't have conventional sheilds, if we lets say make a type of bunker buster enhanced warhead with our reactors thats something they have never defended against. Sure it may not solve the problem totally but it's something they haven't come against.

I don't know how far through S2 you have watched, they have tried firing warheads/missles a few times throughout the season. Yet not one has gotten through. Even rail guns, which projectiles are a million times samller can't get through. So really what chance does something that size have of making it.

Afraid to say, but the primitive approach is all that they've done this year. In the finale they take 302's to the Hive ships, yet they do nothing at all. Partly because the fact that they can blast out any projectiles long before they even reach the hull of the ship. Then the fact that Daedalus only has a handful of 302's compared to many more times the amount of Darts. Which launch when the 302's come out.

Their warheads are powerful enough, just they are too slow to hit their target. So it's a more high tech apporach that's required, which is obviously energy weapons. Without them, there isn't anything that can be done by Daedalus to harm them. It can't beam, it's rail guns don't do anything but scratch the surface of the ships. Which because it's minor damage then the hull heals itself. The warheads are powerful enough, just they are too large & too slow to even make it to their target.

So only with Drones or energy weapons, can they inflict serious damage tom the Wraith ships.

[Prior_of_the_Ori]

Ship to ship tactics wont work against the Wraith considering they outnumber humanity even. They have more darts then earth has f-302s, they have more hiveships then earth has daedulus. Best bet is to keep with the current tactics almost.

[Wraith_Hunter]

The current strategy that they have us useless. It always involves attempting to beam, when they know they can't, then comes the rail guns. Which in all their use, haven't even produced a single explosion to make it all worthwhile.

They have the Jaffa, go get some old ships from them, strip the weapons down. Go ask the Asgard to design some, in 'Disclosure' Thor said he had come to install weapons on Prometheus. There was an ep where either Ronson or Pendergast said to charge up the main weapon, yet never saw or heard anything then or since. After over 3 years of charging around the galaxy like this, we are eventually told that the Asgard don't like providing other races with anything that could potentially be used against them, then it's simply design a much dumbed down energy weapons that's based on their own tech. It won't be able to even scratch their shields but could possibly cause damage to other enemies ships. Such as Jaffa if it's needed in the future, the Lucain Alliance, Ori, new S10 enemies & of course over on Atlantis, the Wraith & soon to be seen Hot Zone virus creators. After all, the Asgard didn't mind when human weapons were used to help them defeat the Reps on numerous occassions.

Then there are other possible sources, such as Felgers Avenger weapons, the Tok'ra who could easily give them Goa'uld weapons designs, or even some of their past allies who have had them.

Bascially what I'm trying to say, is that it's getting very repetitive to see them either getting advanced ancient tech, then see it destroyed. The exact same things has happened so many times on Sg-1 that I've gone past counting anymore. Then combine that with the fact that we are told these are the brightest people on Earth & TPTB & cast bragging in interviews about how they like the realism of the show.

If they wanted realism then, considering they know what's going to happen each & every time they come up against the Wraith. They would go out of their way to aquire some form of more powerful energy weapon. Even if that involves asking or trading for a damaged Al'kesh, then they can strip the weapons off that, it may not be much but at least it's a start.

[Prior_of_the_Ori]

Slight problem though being that regardless what humanity did for the Asgard they are hardly going to hand even a fraction of their technology just like that to humanity unless its supervised. Seems to be they follow the philisophy that if you cant make advanced technology on your own then you arnt good enough to use it. I mean its not like they had only good relations with humans, remember when the NID stole Asgard tech? True they were rogue and happened a long time ago but it maybe something thats telling the Asgard that no matter what threat humanity faces it would be better that they faced it without Asgard technology that could potentially destroy them later.

As for the Tok'ra, relations i think are at an all time low and even if they werent i dont think they would try to give the higher up Goa'uld tech mainly because of something that Selmac said. Remember when he said that you can't just slap an airforce sticker on something and say its yours. Seems to be that the Tok'ra find humanity too primitive to be entrusted with such technology also.

Also the Jaffa seem to have taken a proud like look recently and doubt they would readily give a mothership to humanity. You would think that at least for helping them that they would be a bit more friendly but thats not entirely the case here.

The Felger thing i think would work and a better bet then such allies. I mean it was an energy based weapon, I think it was plasma related.