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    I was just reading the article on the main page about the similarities between the Wraith and vampires, and I just had an interesting idea. We know in the SG universe the myth of Atlantis came from the Ancients who returned to Earth around 8000BC when they were fleeing the Wraith siege. Is it equally possible that the mythology of vampires also originally came from these same Ancients (who obviously knew about the Wraith)? Even more interesting, the Dracula legend was based around a real person (Vlad Tepes). Now, in real life he was not a vampire, just a rather sadistic person...but is it possible that in the SG universe that he could've been a Wraith that somehow made it to Earth? That would explain the Dracula/vampire legend in the SG universe even more.

    Wikipedia article on Vlad Tepes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_tepes

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    Hmmm, that's interesting, the Vlad himself being a wraith... I dont know, that's actually kind of cool in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lionel_pendergast_rocks
    Hmmm, that's interesting, the Vlad himself being a wraith... I dont know, that's actually kind of cool in my book.
    I'm with you on that one. It would be cool if that were explored, even briefly, on the show at some point.

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    The Wraith remind me more of Dementors from Harry Potter - who have the power to suck out your soul.

    I can think of a lot of legends I'd like to see Atlantis explain, so far they've done diddly squat. I hadn't thought about vampires, personally I think vampires are boring, now werewolves would be more interesting I think.

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    Interesting theory. The Wraith are life power suckers and some people/cultures see blood as a symbol for life.
    Imo vampires aren't boring, they are beautiful.

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    Yeah, but obviously, the Wraith cannot be killed through sunlight or crosses. Also, it'd be hard to explain how no one would notice vampires when they were running around looking like the Wraith do.

    What, a strange skin condition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akai
    I was just reading the article on the main page about the similarities between the Wraith and vampires, and I just had an interesting idea. We know in the SG universe the myth of Atlantis came from the Ancients who returned to Earth around 8000BC when they were fleeing the Wraith siege. Is it equally possible that the mythology of vampires also originally came from these same Ancients (who obviously knew about the Wraith)? Even more interesting, the Dracula legend was based around a real person (Vlad Tepes). Now, in real life he was not a vampire, just a rather sadistic person...but is it possible that in the SG universe that he could've been a Wraith that somehow made it to Earth? That would explain the Dracula/vampire legend in the SG universe even more.

    Wikipedia article on Vlad Tepes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_tepes
    I am a BIG vampire person and have tons of books on the
    topic. *perhaps I shouldn't admit this and I must say my interest
    has waned in the past few years* I have long seen the wraith as
    vampires. In alternative thinking we have the concept of
    psychic vampires - those are people that take your personal
    energy when you interact with them. But all throughout history
    on earth there are many types of vampires besides the western
    one - like Vlad. I think it is India that they have the vampire that is much
    like the wraith and sucks the life energy out of people. I want to
    say it is the goddess Kali-ma. but I could be mixing up my
    gods and goddesses. Anyway..it sure did take people a long time
    to see the connect between wraith and vampires.
    Oh well...perhaps I ponder the topic of the wraith far too much
    for my own good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenAngelII
    Yeah, but obviously, the Wraith cannot be killed through sunlight or crosses.
    Well, there is some thought that salt water somehow harms the wraith… saltwater to holy water is not to far a jump…

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    i think its pretty obvious thats what thewy are getting round to, i bet the big bad vlad was a wraith who crept in to earth myths somehow...and it all spaned from that...plus the wraith are space vamps, so thwem being that origin of the vamp myth is ironic.

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    There was a topic about Wraith and Vampires here a while back and i was saying that the idea of vampires also takes root in many other myths including Greek where it was said that Zeus or was it Hera who cursed a woman who became a vampire.

    Also in some myths about vamps it was said that they could not cross water as it burnt them and compare it to the Wraith where the Iratus bug cannot stand salt water. The Wraith also appear to be nocturnal which could go to the idea of vampires hunting humans at night and sleeping at day.


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    I have always seen wraith as derivitives of vampires. The idea of vlad being a wraith is kool. I think you should take it one step further. Vlad was actually an experiment by the ancients to help them stop the Wraith. So too are other vamp myths. They all stem from ancient experiments. Remember, that hologram said that they burried the city in hopes they would return one day. cool idea with vlad.

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    no no take it on step back, vlad was the first alteran to be turned by the iratus bug in to a wraith, he then stared the wraith specie by using alteran knowledge he already had...which was the first boost to the wraith, and they havent really progressed...the ancients took him out in order to stop the wraith getting more advanced and it worked but they just multipied so fast it overwhealmed them, even with less advanced tech they could multiply fast enoguh to counter the wraith...we know the rest.

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    The Ori influenced how what the Ancients taught the second evolution of the Ancients (ie:humans)

    It might be likely that the Atlantis refugees could have further influenced the humanity with Wraith/Vampire ideas.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by immhotep
    no no take it on step back, vlad was the first alteran to be turned by the iratus bug in to a wraith, he then stared the wraith specie by using alteran knowledge he already had...which was the first boost to the wraith, and they havent really progressed...the ancients took him out in order to stop the wraith getting more advanced and it worked but they just multipied so fast it overwhealmed them, even with less advanced tech they could multiply fast enoguh to counter the wraith...we know the rest.
    go back further in time. there are stories from ancient
    egypt and mesopotamia about vampires. that would
    totally fit with the whole stargate idea...
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    seeing as this is all speculation and fun stuff (Possible Spoilers for Atlantis season 1)




    I dont believe it would be a typical wraith, because vampires focus more on the neck, but perhaps it was a(different) evolution of the irratus(sp?) bug, we saw that it leeched onto sheppards neck perhaps the ancients decided to bring some of the bugs back to earth in an attempt to find a means of defeating the wraith and saving atlantis. They could have been experimenting on the bugs and perhaps created the vampires we know today. This would explain the difference between feeding methods of wraith and modern vampires, and it would show that the Ancients didnt give up on Atlantis, they were just trying to avoid the endless war. Of course this is all just my theory but IMO it makes alot more sense then a wraith somehow making it to earth, and it explains the difference between the two species.
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    I dont believe it would be a typical wraith, because vampires focus more on the neck, but perhaps it was an evolution of the irratus(sp?) bug,

    The Wraith ARE the evolution of the irratus bug when merged with human DNA. I guess it could be a different evolutionary path, but TV audiences don't usually like that kind of stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prior_of_the_Ori
    There was a topic about Wraith and Vampires here a while back and i was saying that the idea of vampires also takes root in many other myths including Greek where it was said that Zeus or was it Hera who cursed a woman who became a vampire.

    Also in some myths about vamps it was said that they could not cross water as it burnt them and compare it to the Wraith where the Iratus bug cannot stand salt water. The Wraith also appear to be nocturnal which could go to the idea of vampires hunting humans at night and sleeping at day.
    Actually, as the Wraith live in space, they could care less about night or day. It's constant... niday. >_>'

    I think the most logical reason for culling at night is the "Surprise!" factor. People are asleep and they're all at home. During the day, they're out working and crap. Takes more effort to cull them during the day.

    Quote Originally Posted by immhotep
    no no take it on step back, vlad was the first alteran to be turned by the iratus bug in to a wraith, he then stared the wraith specie by using alteran knowledge he already had...which was the first boost to the wraith, and they havent really progressed...the ancients took him out in order to stop the wraith getting more advanced and it worked but they just multipied so fast it overwhealmed them, even with less advanced tech they could multiply fast enoguh to counter the wraith...we know the rest.
    Only, Vlad lived a few hundred years ago, not a few thousand years ago.

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    Any discrepancy between the Wraith and vampires could easily be explained by the process in which mythology comes to be...tales passed down orally, altered every generation. I do think in the SG universe that the myths of vampires came from the ancients who fled back to Earth in 8000 BC.

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