X/F-302 Fighter...sucks? (SPOILERS)

[hail_jack]

Howdy...I'm sure this has been bought up before numerous times but I couldn't find the thread so here's my question: from what we have seen the F-302 out classes a standard death glider in terms of effective firepower above the Gliders Staff Cannons (even though our weapons run out ammo quickly) as well as having better targeting and control displays.



Despite this it has its problems:

The F-302 lacks any kind of energy shields.

The F-302 has no energy weapons, the F-302's had limited stamina in the fight.

The Cannons can only work in the atmosphere.

The F-302 has limited FTL travel capablities (okay, the death gliders have none but still they should fix it)

Earth has no idea how the 'propulsive' side of the Death Gliders works; therefore in earth orbit or in the atmosphere Death Gliders have superior speed and mourvability (spelling?)

The F-302 can not take off in VTOL fashion like a Death Glider

Stealth technology seems limited in the F-302.

p.s. check out http://www.stargate-tech.net I got a lot of my info from there


What do you guys think or if you have nothing to say could you tell me where the thread for the 302 is please?

Cheers
Jack

[aAnubiSs]

The F-302 sucks yes. Limited fuel, limited weapons and a useless hyperdrive.

[Selmak]

But... it is stated that the X-302 is more maneuverable then a Death Glider. If you have seen Fallen/Homecoming one single F-302 took on several Death Gliders and destroyed Anubis' mothership.

[aAnubiSs]

So? What if there were 8 gliders? Then it would have no weapons left. And limited fuel wont get it anywhere.

It needs gravitic propulsion, missiles and turreted energy weapons, and a hyperdrive or I'd prefer a shield.

[VirtualCLD]

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They need to get cranking on those ION engine plans they got from Space Race. I agree the F-302 needs shields and energy weapons. Turretted might be nice, but at least some sort of energy weapons should be necessary. For now, it's an OK escort/short range deffense/offense craft that's based in a carrier (a.k.a. the Prometheus). If they did get all of that and the hyperdrive to work reliably, then it should be the best fighter/attack craft I've seen so far (in the Stargate universe).

[aAnubiSs]

Ion engines also need fuel

[DownFallAngel]

We should just keep making X303's. Seeing as how the F/X302s are so bad. maybe make them more like deathgliders with more energy based weapons, and more naquada based energy sources?

[aAnubiSs]

I think we should keep building F-302's. Because when we finally figure you gravitational engines and energy weapons it's easy to upgrade

[VirtualCLD]

All engines need some sort of fuel, our hyperdrive engines need naquadria. Gravitic engines require power from some source.

EDIT: Sorry, solar sails, they don't require "power" per se, just solar winds.

[aAnubiSs]

Yes, but liquid Naquadah doesn't run out like nitrogen(needed for ion-drive) or regular fuel like ours. Naquadah is an "infinite" power source.

[VirtualCLD]

Is that what a "real" ion drive uses? Ion drive seems (IMHO) to be used as a generic sci-fi name for thesse high-tech propulsion engines. Ion could refer to any ion, not just nitrogen ions. Maybe you could explain howan ion engine is supposed to work so I understand it better.

[aAnubiSs]

we got our Ion-drive from the Serrakins, and they used liquid nitrogen.

[VirtualCLD]

Ah, ok, soooo maybe ion drive is a cr@%%y technology, well at least for the F-302s. I would like the F-302s to be self-sustaining for long periods of time and be abled for quick deployment, both long and short (i.e. reliable hyperdrive).

[Larry]

I guess you can look at the glass being half empty, or half full. Us technologically challenged Tau'ri have come up with one honest to goodness Starship, and some fighters that can at least hang with the Gou'ald, who have been in space for millenia. Not bad for us young whippersnappers.

[aAnubiSs]

The F-302s will rule when we figure out the main problems.

[DownFallAngel]

Like them sucking and what not?

[aAnubiSs]

I've already written them, but since you didn't see it i'll do it again.

1. Propulsion: Neither our regular engines, nor the Ion-drives on the BC-303 is any good for a fighter. We need to figure out gravitational engines. Later on this engine would replace the Ion-Drives on the BC-303's as well.

2. Faulty Hyperdrive: Make the Naquadriah stable and then build two classes of F-302s. One operates on BC-303s and has shields instead of hyperdrive. The others operate from planets and use a hyperdrive.

3. Weapons: Two missiles on each wing isn't good enough. Since most battles will take place in space we don't have to worry about gravity ripping them off. Have 2 or 3 both on the upper side and lower side of the wings. Hence 8-12 missiles. Also get energybased weapons. Either small beams, or larger bolts. There's a place in the front of the fighter. some kind of rapid firing weapon here would be good. Instead of having the weapons on the wings there would be two turreted cannons. One on top of the ship and one below, both on the main body. These would have the ability to rotate.

This pretty much sums it up atm.

[Ace]

Despite this it has its problems:

The F-302 lacks any kind of energy shields.

The F-302 has no energy weapons, the F-302's had limited stamina in the fight.

The Cannons can only work in the atmosphere.

The F-302 has limited FTL travel capablities (okay, the death gliders have none but still they should fix it)

Earth has no idea how the 'propulsive' side of the Death Gliders works; therefore in earth orbit or in the atmosphere Death Gliders have superior speed and mourvability (spelling?)

The F-302 can not take off in VTOL fashion like a Death Glider

Just throwing my two cents in here!

1) The F-302 lacks any kind of energy sheild

If memory serves me correctly, the Death gliders don't have any kind of energy shields either. So what's the problem? It would seem we are evenly matched in this aspect.

2) The F-302 has no energy weapons, the F-302's had limited stamina in the fight.

Can't argue with you there, however we do have superior weapons in that they will actually target a vessel. Where as in a glider you have to straff everyone and everything. It's as if they were WWII fighters with only machine gun fire. Obviously they are a little more advanced than that, but you get my point. The SGC is working on energy weapons to replace those on the F-302 but they haven't quite got them figured out yet.


3) The Cannons can only work in the atmosphere.

You are assuming this, as we have not seen any evidence that they can't work outside of the atmosphere. However I'm not an idiot And I know that it probably wouldn't work. However the BC303 and it's complement of F-302's were built to defend an attack on Earth. So it would be wise to assume that after you run out of missiles defending Earth, a fighter pilot would want a cannon.

4) The F-302 has limited FTL travel capablities

As you have already stated regular death gliders don't have this capability, as all the scientists and engineers that know about the project are trying to fix the problem. It is still an advantage over the regular gliders.


5) The F-302 can not take off in VTOL fashion like a Death Glider

Why would they need to? Their sole purpose is in defending Earth where there are thousands of runways in which they can take off. And aboard the Prometheus they don't need a runway, they simply "drop" them out of cargo hold and start them up in space.

Anyhoo, I hope this explains a few things. Hope I could help!

Ace

[hail_jack]

Thanks Ace you made good points it seems that all of us agree that when the 302's problems are sorted ( as aAnubiSs pointed out for us) it shall kick ass...

[VirtualCLD]

5) The F-302 can not take off in VTOL fashion like a Death Glider

Why would they need to? Their sole purpose is in defending Earth where there are thousands of runways in which they can take off. And aboard the Prometheus they don't need a runway, they simply "drop" them out of cargo hold and start them up in space.

You know what, that reminded me, the F-302 may not have S/VTOL, but it does have STOL. I believe it doesn't need much room to take off and land, which is still pretty good. Yeah, I think the F-302 is pretty good in terms of us advancing our tech. I bet the F-302 could kick any other nation's AF's @r$e$.