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    This quote seems to sum up the Frustrations Many of the Fans have with the progressing the storyline towards a linear climatic battle with the Ori.--as if SG's existence is based upon a newer, badder, enemy with audacious powers.

    First come the The Goa'uld were bad, but they were interesting. The whole symbiote things was interesting.. and it made for a cheap enemy too, because it was an alien in a human body and not for silly Star Trek "everybody is human" reasons. Granted, the comic book bad guy dialogue did make the Goa'uld a little cheesy, but really, all in all they were O.K.

    Next, The Replicators were also bad, and they were SOMEWHAT interesting. Legos with attitude aren't that scary, but they weren't a virtual copy of the Goa'uld.

    Next, we get the "new and improved" Apophis in Season 8. He takes over a larger kingdom. He has bigger ships. He has more troops. He's worse, but there's no great creativity there. He's just "System Lord" 2.0.

    Then we have "worse than the Goa'uld" in the form of Anubis-Ascended. The whole "half ascended" bit was supposed to make him scarier, but really he was the same as any other Goa'uld in motives. He still had to gloat. He still had to dominate others in much the same way. Not until the end, in "Threads" when he wanted to destroy all life in the galaxy and start over did Anubis really differentiate himself from other Goa'uld. Sure, he had "worse" warriors than Jaffa, but they weren't very interesting. Sure, he had slightly more tech than other Goa'uld, but really, is slightly better tech anything other than just more of the same? Anubis is "System Lord" 3.0.

    Then we have the human-form Replicators. They still want to do the same thing as regular Replicators, but they add a comic book villain element too. Now we can talk to them. Other than that? Not so differernt. These are Replicators 2.0. But they aren't bad enough, so we need to personalize it more. We create history between Carter and Fifth, and now he has a personal grudge against SG1 and humanity in general. Replicator 3.0. Still not enough, let's personalize it some more with a RepliCarter, who is about as personalized as you can get. Replicator 4.0. More of the same. Just "crank up the volume".

    For Stargate Atlantis, we have the Wraith, who are a lot like the Goa'uld. The Goa'uld use humanity as unwilling hosts and slaves, while the Wraith use thumanity as unwilling food. Both the Goa'uld and the Wraith have unnatural regenerative powers, and through either nature or technology live forever. Both use the same comic book villain lines. Both are more technologically advanced than humanity. Both rule large swaths of their respective galaxies. Both are dependent upon humanity for their very lives (the Goa'uld as hosts, the Wraith as food). In order to make the Wraith "worse than" the Goa'uld, instead of space enslavers, they are space vampires. So really, in a lot of ways, it is just more of the same.

    Now, in season nine, we have the Ori. "Worse than the Goa'uld" we are told. But really, aren't they just another form of ascended being just like Anubis but? Shouldn't they be calling it "Worse than Anubis"?

    It seems to me, rather than concentrating on making an enemy "worse than" the predecessor enemy, a more INTERESTING enemy would be a good idea. This whole "Worse Than" craze really is no way to drive a series. Interesting is a lot more important than "worse than".

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    That's how TV shows work.
    why won't my sig rotator work

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    As you gain power, you attract the attention of bigger enemies with more power, it makes sence.
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    Are TPTB planning on using the Ori as the new enemy into season ten as well?

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    It would be nice to have not just bigger\badder enemies but some interesting enemies.
    Joseph Mallozzi -"In the meantime, I'm into season 5 of OZ (where the show takes an unfortunate hairpin turn into "the not so wonderful world of fantasy")"

    ^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?

    AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.

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    You see? This guy posted the same thing on another thread, but I didn't respond to him. No one did! I thought he go away, however he comes to the general forum and posts it anyway. See it for yourself:

    Re: The Stargate Eulogy

    It was the same thing with that thread. The post originated in the "Anti-S9" thread and when someone realized it would get no responce from the pro-group, made it's own thread. I can not make this up people! Again, see for yourself:

    Original post...

    This thread needs to be merged into "The Stargate Eulogy" thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGator5
    You see? This guy posted the same thing on another thread, but I didn't respond to him. No one did! I thought he go away, however he comes to the general forum and posts it anyway. See it for yourself:

    Re: The Stargate Eulogy

    It was the same thing with that thread. The post originated in the "Anti-S9" thread and when someone realized it would get no responce from the pro-group, made it's own thread. I can not make this up people! Again, see for yourself:

    Original post...

    This thread needs to be merged into "The Stargate Eulogy" thread...
    Seriously, can you never post on topic? I would PM you but you would then probably just pick a random thread and post how I pm'd you... so what would be the point.
    Joseph Mallozzi -"In the meantime, I'm into season 5 of OZ (where the show takes an unfortunate hairpin turn into "the not so wonderful world of fantasy")"

    ^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?

    AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGateFan
    It would be nice to have not just bigger\badder enemies but some interesting enemies.
    exactly.....exactly.

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    Yes. In fact, Vala gets knocked up somehow, with the possibility of it being Daniel's. Which is interesting in a way. So now there are going to be TWO pregnancies on TWO BEST sci-fi shows. Vala and Sharon. Gosh, I wonder what's going on.

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    Did any of you ever watch Dragon Ball as a kid? They are the epitome of a "worse than" approach to bad guys. By the end of the show, they had their characters strong enough to rip a planet appart with their bare hands. Sure, it was an awful show, but they lasted for over 500 episodes. They had to be doing something right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rarocks24
    Yes. In fact, Vala gets knocked up somehow, with the possibility of it being Daniel's. Which is interesting in a way. So now there are going to be TWO pregnancies on TWO BEST sci-fi shows. Vala and Sharon. Gosh, I wonder what's going on.
    maybe the writers are running out of original ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiznaw
    maybe the writers are running out of original ideas.

    Remeber gentlemen. Sex and sex accessories always sells.
    But supposedly for Vala its immaculate conception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rarocks24
    But supposedly for Vala its immaculate conception.
    And just out of curiosity, can someone explain why this is on the page where it says Gateworld Forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laros
    Did any of you ever watch Dragon Ball as a kid? They are the epitome of a "worse than" approach to bad guys. By the end of the show, they had their characters strong enough to rip a planet appart with their bare hands. Sure, it was an awful show, but they lasted for over 500 episodes. They had to be doing something right.
    So you are saying Stargate is a cartoon then. I mean I really have a hard time with that comparison.
    Joseph Mallozzi -"In the meantime, I'm into season 5 of OZ (where the show takes an unfortunate hairpin turn into "the not so wonderful world of fantasy")"

    ^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?

    AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rarocks24
    And just out of curiosity, can someone explain why this is on the page where it says Gateworld Forum?

    <img src="http://forum.gateworld.net/images/header_forum06.jpg">
    Cuz that picture does not look right, no offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGateFan
    So you are saying Stargate is a cartoon then. I mean I really have a hard time with that comparison.
    There actually is a Stargate cartoon. It had all of maybe eight episodes.

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    I think it was Stargate Horizon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rarocks24
    And just out of curiosity, can someone explain why this is on the page where it says Gateworld Forum?

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    Thanks. I just can't picture a Teal'c/Jack relationship on that sort of a level. I can picture an Anise/Sam kind of thing though. Freya needs to come back. Although I think they were going to do what Star Trek did with Jeri Ryan. And Battlestar Galactica hasn't once stopped trying to push the "sex sells" thing home.

    Which leads me to another aside, why isn't Stargate SG:1 on iTunes?

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    What would your (anyone can chime in) idea of a more interesting enemy be?
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