The Tower (215)

[tizoc]

The asgard beaming technology is to remove the forest. not the city itself.

[Wraith_Hunter]

Yep, either Martin Gero or Joe Mallozzi said in their thread about the ZPM's. They had been to them & one had a ZPM but it was the one from 'Childhoods End' & the other was 'The Brotherhood', the others were seemingly blank as they couldn't be located. Although since they used the Prometheus to scan Egypt for one in SG-1. Then send Daedalus to those planets from the list & let it have a good scan.

As for the Asgard beams, I don't think they are nearly powerful enough to beam something the size of Manhattan out of the ground. A skyscraper is pretty much unbelievable in itself. However when you compare that to a city size, it really pales in comparrison by a very large majority.

It's not like they could beam it out piece by piece, so they only way to get it out safely is to insert the ZPM from Atlantis, raise the shields & burn the Star Drive for a couple of secs/mins, just enough to get it all up to the surface. The good thing about the cities is that it can detect Wraith ships from days away. So at least it gives them a little bit of breathing space to work with. So they could leave a couple of techs behind to monitor the sensors & let scientists scour the city in small teams. Then if they detect something they would have a number of choices in how to hide the city. Take he ZPM from Atlantis & use it to power the sister's cloak. Wraith ships would only been in orbit a matter of mins/hours as they wouldn't mdetect any life on the surface & so there would be no reason to stay. Then when it's confirmed that they are gone, take it out & return in back to Atlantis. So if done properly then Atlantis would only be missing it for a couple of hours before it would be returned. There would be no threat as the sensors can pick targets up that are still days away.

Another option is to bring back a whole host of MKII's from the SGC & use them to power the cloak & minimal systems. There should be enough juice in them to do it for a couple of hours.

They could use a few PJ's from Atlantis & tie them into the power grid, enabelling them to power the few systems that would be needed for the short duration that the Wraith ships would be in orbit.

Another possible way, would be to get Daedalus there, land it next to the city. Get McKay, Hermy to rig it up to the city. Like Hermy done with the ZPM to power the Asgard HyperDrive in 'The Siege II', except in reverse. There shouldn't be a problem because we know Naquadah generators can power Ancient technology. Then when it's up & running, extend the cloak around the Daedalus & it's all gone from Wraith sensors.

Either way, by introducing a twin city, the writers make a huge balls up. Especially since it was only a filler episode in order to give them Drones & PJ's. They could have simply found a small storage plant underneath the single structure tower. Atlantis was supposed to be unique, a one off lost city. Now there is another one lying buried in a backwater planet. How many others are out there! Maybe it should be changes to Stargate Atlantises!

On top of that, the said that they had previously shot down Wraith ships & none had come back for many generations. Atlantis had Drones, yet they still came back & trapped them in it for years, until they were forced to abandon it. Yet we are supposed to believe that the Wraith started crying & ran away & never ever came back as they were scared. Atlantis with the help of Daedalus took out 2 Hive ships & they found it in themselves to immediately send 12 more in their place. They were angry & wanted to silence them incase word of their victory spread to other worlds throughout the galaxy. So how is it that a city like Atlantis of which they were desperate to get their hands on can keep getting it, when an identical one (minus the SG, which the Wraith wouldn't know that it lacked one) would leave that totally untouched for all these years. When it could potentially give them acess to intergalactic engines & other coordinates of other galaxies that would most likely be in the DB.

Then after all that, we are to belive that the same people who wouldn't take a ZPM from a bunch of kids, yet could have sheltered them in Atlantis under the protection of the ZPM. Would find it in themselves to leave an entire race totally defenceless against the Wraith. Not to mention the strong possibility of the Wraith getting their hands on it, when it's only a matter of time before they eventually show up again.

How they could leave out eps that could provide so much, like the one about the creators of the nano-virus that has been shelved for two seasons in a row, for eps like 'The Tower & 'Epiphany' is beyond me.

I only hope they break away from their usual writer & forget methods, to give it future references that must be done in order for the fans to see it as believeable any longer. Whne you introduce something of this magnitude, you don't use it as a cheap filler episode to give them a few Drones & Jumpers in order to make it a lazy way for the outcome of the next few upcoming eps.

[Lord Shiva]

Well so far seen half of it and I'm HATING this episode... it reminds me of a bad Star Trek episode from the '60's... people living in a futuristic city that look like their out of a renesance festival?

lol

[NakedJehutyV2]

one was a near depleted one on the em field planet
other was the brotherhood, two down three to go

what ep was the first one ya mentioned in?


one from brotherhood was the best one they found cuz it was unused. no matter what you say pg15 that line doesn't mean they found empty zpms on those other planets or even if they've searched the other planets. if that line was uttered

[PG15]

It was definately uttered. And that em planet is the one from Childhood's End.

[AutumnDream]

Hi i dont know if this was discussed before if it was i appologize.

In the Siege part 2, Mckay said there was noway of knowing how many drones were left until the chair was plugged in and he looked at his little tablet Pc thing.

In the Tower however, he just walked into a room and took a look around, why could he have not done the same in atlantis when they first got there. Surely the drone defense system would have been a priority system to check out.

Yes. Precisely. I imagine if the writers had actually watched Season 1 of Atlantis, this episode would have been much better.

Oh, geez. I'm turning into ShadowMatt.

[ShadowMaat]

I choose to take that as a compliment.

Or a sign that my brainwashing has finally taken hold. MUAHAHA!!

[SmallTimePerson]

I'm just thinking lets hope the Wraith dont find out its there...and that the SGA left enough drones 2 keep them safe...otherwise were protecting two Atlantis's!!!!

even if SGA left enough drones they would be useless, as the people have no way of powering the chair

[NakedJehutyV2]

yeah they screwed them over. they stole.

[CYBEREAGLE19]

since sheps gene is so strong he needs to spend some free time in the chair at atlantis,

[NakedJehutyV2]

childhood's end is way before before i sleep. what other planets are on that list?

[tofuchef]

i got the episode.. and im about to watch it.. i'll be back to let you guys know if it was good.. sorry can't tell where i got it from.

[FallenAngelII]

ALso, the chamberlain said the puddle jumpers in the Tower stopped working long ago. They might have run out of fuel. That or the morons broke the damn things.

[tofuchef]

i've just watched it.. and its pretty interesting episode.. but there is no asgard or daedelus envolvement.. basically in the end we get drones and jumpers.. that is all..

[NakedJehutyV2]

It wasn't mentioned. I seem to remember them saying in The Brotherhood that the planet in that episode was their "best chance" at finding a ZPM from that list.


Um, if you fire drones while cloaked, you'll give away your position. The only way that would work is if you're moving; for example, say Shep was flying around in a PJ. If he fired some drones, then cloaked, then changed his postion, you have a decent tactic. Unfortunately the writers have probably figured that this tactic is way too useful for the good guys, which is probably why they haven't put it in the show.


The chair is just another way to interface with the systems on Atlantis. The difference is that it requires that you have the ATA gene to use, which is why weapons are connected to the chair, and not to the regular system controls; it keeps stupid people from potentially destroying themselves.


Uh, the Alterans were wiped out by a plague millions of years before the Wraith even evolved. I think you meant Lantians.


Sure, more will come. Then after you kill them, more will come, but there has to be a limit. Wraith reproduction is that limit. Once you're killing Wraith faster than they can reproduce, you win.

The problem is that it's considered uncouth to have the "good guys" wantingly committing genocide.
If you want to wipe out the Wraith, you have to also wipe out their women and children. Since they've already shown us that Wraith children are pretty innocent (they don't feed on humans until they reach puberty or so), that means they must come up with a way to defeat the Wraith without killing them all. So they introduce Beckett's super-serum, which changes Wraith into normal ol' humans.

It's the exact same thing as the symbiote extraction method invented in SG-1: It takes care of the "evil" Goa'uld, while leaving the "innocent" human alive and free.


Would you care to elaborate? I mean, making statements like that beg for examples, but you've just made a hit-and-run on this thread, leaving nothing that adds to the topic.

the lantians are the alterrans that left earth. it's unknown if lantians is the wraith given name or not. they're still the alterrans

[2ndgenerationalteran]

a new enemy would make sense, all the wraith are up and hungry and their herds are almost all anhilated because they ate them all, food shortage so they have to go canibal. its a matter of time

[gooner_diva]

How stupid of us, thinking that it's important to find that Atlantis has a sister city. [/sarcasm]

That's the whole point, isn't it? This discovery wasn't even treated as a something massive like "omg, look, we've found the exact copy of something we thought was cool and unique", not to meniton it severly diminishes the tactical and cultural importance of Atlantis now that we know there are who knows how many lying around.

Also, since the end of Season 6 of SG-1 they've been raving about the Lost City, how it must be found at all costs because it contains weapons, knowledge and technology to defeat Anubis. Then we discovered Atlantis. And now we've discovered another city just like it, lying on some crappy planet, run by complete idiots, with a working Z.P.M., drones, hyperdrive, everything. It looks as though Daniel dialled the wrong address in Rising. Or perhaps the real discovery would have been the manufacturing plant where they make these cities, Puddle Jumpers, Z.P.M.s. etc.

The Tower is the ultimate proof of how something gigantic can be wasted on a stand-alone episode. What a blow to those of us who actually care about continuity.

And no, it is NEVER acceptable for a USAF Lieutenant Colonel to be Kirking, even if the bint-of-the-week has the most amazing rack. I mean, who actually wants to see a testosterone-crazed flyboy as the leader of a military unit on the most important of Earth colonies? And no, "it provides a steady stream of hot women" doesn't count as an argument.

[ShadowMaat]

What a blow to those of us who actually care about continuity.

Oh, but didn't you hear? We're not allowed to care about continuity. It makes us anal and obnoxious when we should just sit back, turn our brains off, and enjoy the mindless fluff.

And if we do have any complaints? We should shut up and be grateful that there's any Atlantis at all for us to see.

Sorry, was I being sarcastic again?

[Tok'Ra Hostess]

Yeah... there's so much wrong with that whole city-buried-for-ten-thousand-years-except-for-the-central-spire
-which-has-remained-intact-while-all-the-systems-in-the-buried-parts-are-still-working-despite-the-earthquakes
scenario that I hardly know where to start.

Then there's the carefully-kept-genelogical records for ten thousand years - on parchement, no less.
They use scanners to detect the A-gene in people, but lost the ability to use the other record-keeping equipment?
In the last ten thousand years there hasn't been a single enquiring mind among the PTB in the Tower to try to
figure out how to make the tech work? Are McKay and Carter the only people in two galaxies who can backwards
engineer anything?

I just think that while the concept of a sister city ship is terrific, the execution in this ep was hopelessly inept.

[Naughtrish]

Worst episode ever IMO. Not even funny.
*goes away sulking*