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    This is probably in the wrong place because it's slightly positive, but my negativity is like a magnet to these threads.

    Reading between the lines of Joe's blog (the latest and the previous entry), and the season renewal press release, it appears that Brad Wright is becoming involved in SG-1 again. Great news for fans of the team, hopefully.

    Although, I'm not sure, after what will be 2+ years of rubbish and the negativity towards S2 of SGA, his influence will be enough to pull it back from the brink.
    I have a horrible feeling it might be too late to save us from the saviour baby story. And RCC will still be showrunning in tandem.
    (There you go, some negativity for the topic )

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    What also irks me about season 9 is that some fans are so willing to wait for team moments or for character development to show that they actually give a hoot about one another. In season 1 we had Fire and Water when Daniel was thought to be dead. The anguish that the characters showed was genuine and came across on the screen. What we need is good writing and good acting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olli
    I think a show which is on air for such a long time like Stargate will make somtimes some changes which push away some old fans but win some new fans on the other hand.

    I was a fan from the first episode and Janet was my favourite. Now she is gone and against all hopes I think she will not come back, maybe I shoud close the stargate chapter and move on?
    I know there will be an ep with Frasier in it this year. I hope that they can somehow keep her around afterwards, but I doubt it. I suspect there is not much more stargate left and that which they will show will not be very.... Stargatey. So I am guessing you will have a lot of company should you choose to turn off the show for the final time.

    Me personally. I choose to ignore Heros II and Threads (not too fond of Divide and Conqure either, but at least Martoufs death ment something) and continue watching for the other characters I love. Now Jack and Hammond are gone, we dont see Major Davis or Bratec or Thor so much. If they lose any of the other cast, or develop any of the new cast in more cringworthy ways then I too will click it off for the last time.
    Joseph Mallozzi -"In the meantime, I'm into season 5 of OZ (where the show takes an unfortunate hairpin turn into "the not so wonderful world of fantasy")"

    ^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?

    AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurf
    This is probably in the wrong place because it's slightly positive, but my negativity is like a magnet to these threads.

    Reading between the lines of Joe's blog (the latest and the previous entry), and the season renewal press release, it appears that Brad Wright is becoming involved in SG-1 again. Great news for fans of the team, hopefully.[/SIZE]
    ive been out of the loop for a while...i know brad is now producing atlantis but i thought he was still attached to SG-1 in some way? or did he leave to do atlantis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nem2k
    ive been out of the loop for a while...i know brad is now producing atlantis but i thought he was still attached to SG-1 in some way? or did he leave to do atlantis?
    He pretty much stepped away just after S6 - not sure why, but I suspect political/Skiffy meddling. He writes the odd episode, and appears to produce those shows (although RCC's name goes on the end), but he pretty much runs SGA. Which you'll notice a lot of people say has a better team dynamic than SG-1 this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurf
    This is probably in the wrong place because it's slightly positive, but my negativity is like a magnet to these threads.

    Reading between the lines of Joe's blog (the latest and the previous entry), and the season renewal press release, it appears that Brad Wright is becoming involved in SG-1 again. Great news for fans of the team, hopefully.

    Although, I'm not sure, after what will be 2+ years of rubbish and the negativity towards S2 of SGA, his influence will be enough to pull it back from the brink.
    I have a horrible feeling it might be too late to save us from the saviour baby story. And RCC will still be showrunning in tandem.
    (There you go, some negativity for the topic )
    Brad Wright is coming back?!!?! ooookkkkk I am a little more willing to give some time then...
    Joseph Mallozzi -"In the meantime, I'm into season 5 of OZ (where the show takes an unfortunate hairpin turn into "the not so wonderful world of fantasy")"

    ^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?

    AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.

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    ooh very interesting!! it seems brad wright holds the key then, hmmm
    who actually determines whether Brad comes back to SG-1 or not? Scifi? The other producers? Himself?

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    i THINK one of the reasons for brad to step back was simply all the fuss made over s6. things were very tense and there was a huge fan outcry and brad bore the brunt of it. one fan even made a 'wanted dead or alive' poster with brad's pic on it

    now he did take this stuff iwth good grace, but i would imagine that it was stressful

    so he moved onto atlantis and started something fresh.

    as to him staying involved in sg1, well both shows are made in teh same building. it's not like he moved to another state. I think making both shows is a huge group effort on part of the writers/producers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver
    i THINK one of the reasons for brad to step back was simply all the fuss made over s6. things were very tense and there was a huge fan outcry and brad bore the brunt of it. one fan even made a 'wanted dead or alive' poster with brad's pic on it

    now he did take this stuff iwth good grace, but i would imagine that it was stressful

    so he moved onto atlantis and started something fresh.

    as to him staying involved in sg1, well both shows are made in teh same building. it's not like he moved to another state. I think making both shows is a huge group effort on part of the writers/producers
    Sheesh. While I'm not a fan of RCC's at the moment, I think such hostility is a bit... psychotic.

    How do we know Brad Wright is coming back to SG-1, though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGateFan
    Now Jack and Hammond are gone, we dont see Major Davis or Bratec or Thor so much.
    I don't know anything about Davis or Thor, but Bra'tac will be in a couple of episodes in second half of S9. But how good these episodes will be we all shall see.

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    BTW I think that Janet if they choose to bring her back somehow (very unlikely) is if she is from another parallel world and comes to ours and asks for asylum (but would be a deja-vu).

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dancer of spaz
    Sheesh. While I'm not a fan of RCC's at the moment, I think such hostility is a bit... psychotic.

    How do we know Brad Wright is coming back to SG-1, though?
    When JM was talking about a pitch for an SG1 episode, he said "I do know that Brad liked Morpheus".
    So assuming that's Brad Wright he's talking about and assuming that BW doesn't already play a part in the story spinning process, it might mean that he's taking more of a role on SG1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver
    one fan even made a 'wanted dead or alive' poster with brad's pic on it
    Are this people crazy? I don´t know very much about US law but were I life doing stuff like this could bring someone in trouble.
    Wouldn´t be surprised if there were some of the same people behind who are now cry havoc if someone dares to say that he or she is missing Jack...
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    the wanted poster happened a few years ago and i do think was more a case of someone gettting carried away with the whole situation and not thinking. a little 'gang mentality' set in. and i'm not calling them a gang, i'm referring to the philosophy of confidence in numbers. people get carried away and on a roll trying to accomplish something or get caught up in 'one upsmanship' and do things that they may normally not do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Dark
    When JM was talking about a pitch for an SG1 episode, he said "I do know that Brad liked Morpheus".
    So assuming that's Brad Wright he's talking about and assuming that BW doesn't already play a part in the story spinning process, it might mean that he's taking more of a role on SG1.
    Sounds like Morpheus could be an ATLANTIS episode, as Joe pitches/writes for both series.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mallozzi
    I've always been better pitching on paper than delivering verbal pitches, so I wrote up a bunch of story ideas for both shows: Extreme Measures, In the Darkest Recesses, The Kindred, Suffer the Children, Yesterday Today and Tomorrow, The Tainted, and Morpheus. I do know that Brad liked Morpheus.

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    handled his absence better imo. Showing Landry talking to him from time to time is fine, but I'd really like to see more references to him or bits with Sam/Daniel/Teal'c talking to him on the phone or referring to a recent conversation with him. Would just make me feel a little more like he was still a part.
    The problem was not that RDA wanted to leave. *That* was something that the writers could not do anything about. However, the writers were in complete control as to *how* it was handled. After 10 eps of season 9, we still have no official information as to where Jack is, what he is doing, his relationship to the SGC. Nothing. Online fans have some idea because of things said online--that Jack is now the head of Homeworld Security--but the mainstream, non-online fan would still have absolutely no idea. And even *we* don't know for sure that it's accurate, because it still has not been said on the show. (And we still have no clue as what happened to Hammond.)

    I think that this was a disgraceful way to address the loss of the character who had been the core character on the show, and a slap at all of the character's fans. Contrast this with the way they handled MS' walking out on the show.

    Then again, it *is* in line with the disgraceful way they have treated RDA since he left. Cooper and Judge have gone out of their way, IMO, to insult him, and even Simon was set up to give the party line (why would you ask someone who didn't come on the show until season 5--a pretty tense season with Shanks' leaving, following by an even more tense on considering the invective that was being hurled at the show and TPTB--and who has been on about 6 times in total, what the difference is without RDA? Except to have someone else say how nice it is now that RDA's gone. And there's no question that it got back to RDA: view his foreword for the Season 7 & 8 Guide). It was classless.

    Hmm, maybe *that's* why they have no problem with Vala?


    Since some of us are talking ratings, I went to check and see the average for the first 10 episodes in from S6-now. And they are:

    S6. 1.69

    S7. 1.65

    S8. 2.01

    S9. 1.96

    One thing you need to keep in mind is that SciFi has increased the number of households that get the station since season 6. (And there was a reason, IMO, why the 1st half of season 7 dropped slightly. Whereas the second half of season 7 rose over season 6--again for a specific reason, IMO.)

    The problem with season 9 is that the ratings have gone down as the season progressed, which is not a good sign. Even worse, the mid-season cliffhanger did not do well, comparatively, and this ep is usually a strong one.


    When JM was talking about a pitch for an SG1 episode, he said "I do know that Brad liked Morpheus".
    So assuming that's Brad Wright he's talking about and assuming that BW doesn't already play a part in the story spinning process, it might mean that he's taking more of a role on SG1.
    Merely indicating that he liked an ep does not mean that he's taking over a bigger role. More importantly, if BW liked "Morpheus" that much, he may be losing his touch!


    In regard to Sam next year: according to people who were at Gambit (I believe that was the con), AT said that when RCC knew there was to be a season 10, he called MS, CJ, BB *and* CB, but he did not call her. She found out from one of the others and called him, and he said that they didn't know what to do with Sam. Excuse me? WTH?? They didn't know what to do with Sam? Gee, they no longer need an experienced military officer with science/tech knowledge? Because--what?--we're going to fight the Ori with our sunny personalities? Daniel's new biceps?
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    Vala's spawn?



    Then at a later time he said that they would give her 20 eps split between SG1 and Atlantis. Way to totally marginalize Sam even more. She won't be a real part of SG1 and they can't give her any thread/storylines if she's on Atlantis half the time; and Atlantis doesn't need another scientist, so she'd probably only be a foil for McKay, but this time with the roles reversed, that is, with McKay being the center and the person who's "right".

    And it's not as if they have done anything much with Teal'c except ruin his character (why isn't he on Dakara, fighting for his people's future? Because Gerak was gaining adherents? Well, he was assured more of them if Teal'c wasn't even there to present another option, wasn't he?) Yet, they still seem to think they need him on the show. It is clear that they have decided to please both the Farscape fans and the anti-Sam contingent.

    Whatever the reason in regard to the character, that was a terrible way to treat someone who has been with the show from the beginning and who has given them superb work over the last 8-1/2 years.


    AT said something about that she might have had some feelers for another series. If that's the case, I say take it and run like hell.

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    The whole idea of a season 10 seems overkill IMO.
    I got hooked on SG-1 a few months ago, and ever since I have been watching all the earlier stuff and I have to admit that SG-A is picking up, but SG-1 is just junk food at the rate it is going. After watching it, it just kind of leaves me tired from the constant Ori this and Ori that. At least with the earlier seasons TPTB actually had some different stories that took off with the characters.
    I almost hate bringing up this comparison but SG-1 is going the way of ST:ENT, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkQuee1
    Then again, it *is* in line with the disgraceful way they have treated RDA since he left. Cooper and Judge have gone out of their way, IMO, to insult him, and even Simon was set up to give the party line (why would you ask someone who didn't come on the show until season 5--a pretty tense season with Shanks' leaving, following by an even more tense on considering the invective that was being hurled at the show and TPTB--and who has been on about 6 times in total, what the difference is without RDA? Except to have someone else say how nice it is now that RDA's gone. And there's no question that it got back to RDA: view his foreword for the Season 7 & 8 Guide). It was classless.

    Hmm, maybe *that's* why they have no problem with Vala?
    I tend to agree with you. A couple of questions though. Who is Simon? And what Season 7 & 8 guide are you talking about? Could you quote what RDA said?

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    she's probably talking about cliff simon...baal

    and i agree. they have, either openly or backhandedly dissed RDA at every opportunity. In fact, AT is the only one to mention him in any sort of a positive light.

    s9 has been touted as the best ever, we're having the most fun we've ever had, we get so much more done...yadda, yadda.

    all comments meant to imply 'damn, we're glad that old fart is gone, we can have fun now.

    now, to be fair, i'm sure it was a pain in teh butt to accomodate rick's schedule. i'm sure a lot of people worked very hard and were inconvenienced to make sure rick could make his flight.

    but i did'nt hear them *****ing about it when rick's signing on was necessary before scifi would re-up the show. meeting rick's requirements gave them jobs and meant that there was a season 6, 7, 8 and yes, 9 and 10 not to mention 3 years of atlantis since, i'm sure, had the show died with season 5, the spin off would have died with it.
    and yes, i agree with DQ that how Rob handled it with amanda was rude to the core. talk to and cosy up to the BRAND NEW USED TO BE GUEST ACTOR before you even bother to talk to your female lead????? that is a horrible slap in the face and an insult. even if they had no plans set in concrete they owed her the courtesy of a 'ok, see, we got this situation amanda.....' phone call.

    take this into thought with the comments made by shanks this last weekend implying that sony/mgm/scifi don't really care about the individual actors anymore and you get a definite feeling that 'a big happy family' is just PR white wash. there's nothing family about it...unless you're related to a sicilian mafia group

    THis is one reason taht s10 just doesn't fill me with joy. i'm seeing far too much interferrance from suits. i'm seeing what i'm interpreting as a way too submissive attitude on part of the show runner. i'm seeing a show that's going to treat some of its actors like crud while sucking up to others....which suggests that no matter who you like, their fate is only as secure as the fickle mood of some dude in an office in california.

    I see stargate joining x-files, enterprise, voyager and otehr shows on the 'it WAS good' list and i see it fading away as some silly joke

    it's really sad to see something good fade so much.

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    Well, I see that the "I don't know how to read thread titles and just exactly what does 'ONLY' mean anyway?" contingent has made its first appearance. <<g>>


    I tend to agree with you. A couple of questions though. Who is Simon? And what Season 7 & 8 guide are you talking about? Could you quote what RDA said?
    Cliff Simon, who plays Ba'al. I don't have the book in front of me, so I am paraphrasing, but the last line of his piece in the book--which mostly talks about what a positive experience it was being on the show--ends with a line that essentially says that it seems that things go so much better now that he's not there.

    I read a lot of hurt feelings in that line--and despite that, he still hasn't had a bad word to say about the show, including in the rest of his written piece for the book. Now, *that's* class.

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