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    the writing is sub-par.
    The spoilers thus far for the remaining shows demonstrate that the writers are grasping at straws to maintain an audience.
    Funny one liners were great for Jack, as he was the only one that really did it. Now, everyone can be funny and cheesy. This applies to SGA too. That annoying sneezing girl drove me up the wall.

    Vala had potential, but the overboard sexual inuendos and the somewhat dry humor show that the writers are trying to hard to make us like her.
    Character development takes time, they need to understand this and write her accordingly. Jack took a few episodes to be likeable funny. His humor is somewhat corny at times, but it's his humor and we love it!
    When RDA spoke and made jokes, often times allusions or references, it was funny because it didn't seem forced.
    Daniel: You..stupid son of a *****
    Jack: Hey, you're welcome...

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    maybe the difference is, a lot of jack's humor was rda's. he'd adlib, while it seems that vala's 'humor' has been written for her....which could account for it seeming forced.

    i'm not saying that she's not fun to write for, and if she was on another show, she'd at least be enjoyable, but there;s just such a forced focus on her that it's off. i mean, jonas in a whole season, someone who was originally conceived to be a permnant member of the cast, got less of a focus in 22 eps than vala has in 6 eps.

    the other issue is cam. he does have potential, but they seem to be working so hard to push him, to convince us that he's great, that they're forgetting to write him as great. don't just tell me know good he is, let me see it. and right now all i've seen is a character who...well Jonas acted more competant than cam has...and jonas was an alien from another planet

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    Well, I've been courious to see if TPTB read these threads. I think it would be a pretty smart thing to do to see what people are upset about and then try to fix some of it. Can't please everyone, but it doesn't hurt to try.

    Anyway, I wrote this in the Ask Joe thread:

    Hi Joe,

    Quick question, do you read any of the other threads besides the "Ask Joe" Thread? If yes, which ones?

    Thanks a bunch,
    Christine

    Hopefully he'll say the anti nine and anti ten threads! Hope this isn't off topic. But I think it would be great if he said that he read these threads!

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    This whole vala and the dopey baby nonesense is what is killing it for me - what misguided ideas. I am not surprised though as so many of the recent decisions have been misguided it's not even an enjoyable show to watch most of the time anymore and that's why I have only been watching a few eps here and there and none of those have really caught my attention all that much either. Vala is a nuisance that is better left under the rock they found her as she is not a fit for SG1 - at least not the SG1 that was a good, solid, intelligent, well-written team show wherein the characters clearly had purpose and friendship and a bond (all the things that have been missing for quite some time now). Now, they are just a group of people that work together, and so far they aren't even together all that much - they are just working on the same thing from different places - it really is kind of sad to watch it die such a slow death from what it once was. A space baby - please - no matter how many times I say it, and no matter how cooper and the rest of them pimp it - it will still be stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren
    My opinion is that folks should be very, very careful about being too anti-Season 10 at this early stage. A full 10 episodes of Season Nine are completely unaired, there is no confirmed casting (beyond Ben, perhaps), and no confirmed writers/producers beyond Rob C. and Brad W. It'd be a little like complaining about Season Two after watching "Children of the Gods" through "Thor's Hammer."

    It's fun to speculate based on rumors, but rumors are rumors, and they're also rumors rumory rumor rumors. Or so it's rumored.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatcheter
    But can we use speculative statements based on unspecified information rumored to have been sugested by unnamed sources who may or may not be able to verifiy that such insinuations have a potential of being somewhat related to truth?
    Only if one insinuates the speculatory hearsay in such a way that on any given day in order to keep the lawyers and barristers away they don’t stray far from the fray of what TPTB say.

    Ah... speculation. Right up there with anticipation as the elixirs of fandom life. But even GW S9 episode spoilers from official PTB sources are rumor *coughs* speculation, until the ep airs…. (and the Threads debacle goes to show that even when it is aired, it can be seriously butchered and what you thought you saw wasn’t really what thought you saw…)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver
    and right now all i've seen is a character who...well Jonas acted more competant than cam has...and jonas was an alien from another planet
    Serves me right for reading this too quickly… thought it was Cam who was from another planet & it made perfect sense!

    Quote Originally Posted by Seshat
    The only way the Orii will become less of a snooze-fest for me is if they bring back Julian Sands! Otherwise I think I'll just turn in with a good book, or maybe even (gasp!) see what's on the next channel.
    Ummm… Can I put in my order for JS now? Though I’d prefer the Julian of the Long Blond hair and less of the glitterglam makeup please.

    I guess for now I'll keep my concerns to the S9 threads as there hasn't been a lot of spoilage from TPTB re: 10... but I'll be peeping in here for a lurk or two...
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennh73
    What about the Aschen, Dannys grandpap with those giants, an so many other ideas from past seasons.
    Exactly.

    Nick's been with the giant aliens for 5 years now. It's about time he came back and shared his knowledge.

    Also, the Re-tu were supposed to be such a huuuge threat and yet it's been 6years since we heard from them.

    And the Foothold aliens - maybe they can't come back through the gate, but they have to be on other worlds.

    And yes, last we heard about the Aschen, we gave them a gate address to the black hole. I'd love to know if they used it or not and if so what happened.

    There's just so much history to draw on for stories. I don't understand why they have to make up a bunch of new stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshat

    I find that I am constantly irritated by the character of Vala, and not in a good, Rodney-MacKay-kind of way (I prefer him in small doses, too ), but in a gee-I-feel-sort-of-insulted-as-a-woman kind of way. What a role model! And I say that because the other characters USED to be held up as role models for kids (anybody else remember that?).
    I agree! (Although I like Rodney, as I'm sure you can see from my sig. )

    As a woman, I find the character of Vala to be disgusting and degrading. And we're getting her full-time in Season 10?

    Good thing I have Atlantis, BSG, and Smallville to watch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda Eros
    Well, I've been courious to see if TPTB read these threads. I think it would be a pretty smart thing to do to see what people are upset about and then try to fix some of it. Can't please everyone, but it doesn't hurt to try.

    Anyway, I wrote this in the Ask Joe thread:

    Hi Joe,

    Quick question, do you read any of the other threads besides the "Ask Joe" Thread? If yes, which ones?

    Thanks a bunch,
    Christine

    Hopefully he'll say the anti nine and anti ten threads! Hope this isn't off topic. But I think it would be great if he said that he read these threads!
    He already answered a similar question a few months ago!

    http://forum.gateworld.net/showthrea...ds#post4427461

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    i dont want to post here because im anti S10, but i do want to voice some concerns

    in S9 we lost Jack, that was a big big blow. in S10, theres talk of amanda doing some crossover to atlantis meaning she'll be in less SG-1, so for all intents and purposes we are beginning to lose another character from the show

    what i dont understand is how they can write jack out, essentially minimize the role of sam and possibly replace her with vala, and still call the show Stargate SG-1?

    I mean, what is it that we loved so much about the show? For me, it was because this is the first scifi where the characters and their relationship are more important than the stories. When I watch this show, it feels like we're onboard with a team of amazing people who would trust each other with their lives, and it just so happens that interesting stuff is happening to them and not that the characters are their for the sake of the story

    when we got to season 9 it felt like we lost a lot of the team dynamic which was present in earlier seasons. losing Jack and Sam (for the first few episodes) just didnt feel the same, so i wouldnt like to see Sam get a lesser role in S10 purely because a lot of the newer fans want to see ben and claudia together take over the team

    IF, and I stress the word IF, the writers are changing the team around purely to get new fans interested in the show then they have lost my respect because this show used to be about this very unique relationship and special bond between these 4 people. Changing that is basically changing the very essence of the show, and why are they doing it? To get higher ratings? Whatever happened to serving the story and remaining true to what Stargate SG-1 really is?

    It feels like SG-1 is dying a slowly ugly death. This show should never have gotten to the point where theyre forced to introduce new members and change so much of the principle cast because like I said, its the PEOPLE in this show which makes it so great. And it should have ended when all the main players were still around because now theres a major shift in the team dynamics, the show just doesnt feel right to me anymore, and it certainly doesnt feel like SG-1

    right now, with the current SG-1 team, things are somewhat acceptable, but having Carter play a smaller role in the team? That would be too big of a change, and although it would help Amanda and help her career progress, it doesnt help the show at all because nobody, and I mean nobody, can replace Sam's place in the team. Just like Mitchell couldnt replace Jacks place in the team

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith_Hunter
    He already answered a similar question a few months ago!

    http://forum.gateworld.net/showthrea...ds#post4427461
    It's a shame he doesn't look at the anti-s. I've not posted my negative opinions on the episode threads because I don't want end up getting into circular arguments. Maybe I should so there'll be another voice added to those who don't think everything is perfect. Of course I'd have to watch the eps again, so... maybe not

    As for S10, I have a feeling I'll be doing an RDA and just popping in for the first couple of episodes. The whole Vala/baby, Daniel/Vala, diminished Sam, religious fanaticism angles aren't selling it to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatG
    And yes, last we heard about the Aschen, we gave them a gate address to the black hole. I'd love to know if they used it or not and if so what happened.
    No I highly doubt that they used it for 2 reasons:

    1) After we gave them the addresses we made clear to them that we found out what were their intentions regarding us and we acted accordingly

    2) In Exodus (4x22) we gate to the blackhole address in order to destroy Apophis' fleet in the Vorash system, and that wormhole would still stay open long after the gate was destroyed, long after the sun was sucked by the blackhole and still is.

    I also think they didn't used the other gate address for the first reason stated above and because in 4 years we haven't heard anything of them (of being conquered by some system lord. I think they are live and kicking and awaiting the day when they will get their revenge on us and continue to expand their Aschen Confederacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurf
    It's a shame he doesn't look at the anti-s. I've not posted my negative opinions on the episode threads because I don't want end up getting into circular arguments. Maybe I should so there'll be another voice added to those who don't think everything is perfect. Of course I'd have to watch the eps again, so... maybe not

    As for S10, I have a feeling I'll be doing an RDA and just popping in for the first couple of episodes. The whole Vala/baby, Daniel/Vala, diminished Sam, religious fanaticism angles aren't selling it to me.
    It's possible he's had a peek or two in the past. However for the complaints with regards to RDA's departure & how it was handled etc. Are really out of the writers control, The actor made a decision to spend more time with his family. They really had 2 choices for his departure, the first was to kill him off & the other was to promote him/make him resign from the military. In the hope that he can make a couple of brief appearances, they decided to promot him. Me personally, I would have killed him off & made him go out like a hero. That would have been a far better send off, than having him appear like he did in S9.

    Other things are mostly speculation, Such as Vala's baby being the saviour & Carter being expendable for Vala's return in S10 as a regular cast member etc.

    If it were me personally, I would probably rise to the bait & make a post or two on the anti-thread if I was a writer on the show.

    Hindsight is a wonderful thing & it's easy to criticise after the fact. Which I'm sure people like JM appreciate as it helps them what other paths they could have taken, they must because he responds to some harsh stuff in his blog entries. So they obviously take some on the constructive criticism on board. Just not enough to make any major chamges on what they are planning to do. They only go season to season & so have to field what they think are he most appropriate scripts for the upcoming season. Unless all fans stopped watching, then a few dozen continuous posters won't really do anything. I honestly don't fault the writers at all. I solely put the blame on the sci-fi execs doors.

    I think they would get a lot more things wrapped up, if sci-fi would take their heads out of each others asses & sign them up for a couple of seasons at a time, rather than year to year.

    This way they might have a chance to wrap up some of the many unfinished stories that I've been longing to see. Foothold,Reetu,Grace aliens to name a few.

    And yes, last we heard about the Aschen, we gave them a gate address to the black hole. I'd love to know if they used it or not and if so what happened.
    An earlier response from JM in his thread.

    There were plans to bring the Aschen back for an episode tentatively titled Judgement - that was consequently shelved back in season 7. But in Stargate, nothing stays shelved forever. Witness the out-of-control plant from season 8's Zero Hour. That idea was first pitched out back in season 4.

    It was supposed to be about the Aschen putting SG-1 on trial for killing millions of the Aschen people who perished in the black hole. Would have been a cool epsiode & hope they finally get around to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith_Hunter
    However for the complaints with regards to RDA's departure & how it was handled etc. Are really out of the writers control, The actor made a decision to spend more time with his family. They really had 2 choices for his departure, the first was to kill him off & the other was to promote him/make him resign from the military. In the hope that he can make a couple of brief appearances, they decided to promot him.
    I agree that their options were limited, but they could have handled his absence better imo. Showing Landry talking to him from time to time is fine, but I'd really like to see more references to him or bits with Sam/Daniel/Teal'c talking to him on the phone or referring to a recent conversation with him. Would just make me feel a little more like he was still a part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith_Hunter
    This way they might have a chance to wrap up some of the many unfinished stories that I've been longing to see. Foothold,Reetu,Grace aliens to name a few.

    An earlier response from JM in his thread.

    There were plans to bring the Aschen back for an episode tentatively titled Judgement - that was consequently shelved back in season 7. But in Stargate, nothing stays shelved forever. Witness the out-of-control plant from season 8's Zero Hour. That idea was first pitched out back in season 4.

    It was supposed to be about the Aschen putting SG-1 on trial for killing millions of the Aschen people who perished in the black hole. Would have been a cool epsiode & hope they finally get around to it.
    Yes. This is the kind of stuff I'd like to see, sadly I don't hold out much hope at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith_Hunter
    It's possible he's had a peek or two in the past. However for the complaints with regards to RDA's departure & how it was handled etc. Are really out of the writers control, The actor made a decision to spend more time with his family. They really had 2 choices for his departure, the first was to kill him off & the other was to promote him/make him resign from the military. In the hope that he can make a couple of brief appearances, they decided to promot him. Me personally, I would have killed him off & made him go out like a hero. That would have been a far better send off, than having him appear like he did in S9.

    Other things are mostly speculation, Such as Vala's baby being the saviour & Carter being expendable for Vala's return in S10 as a regular cast member etc.

    If it were me personally, I would probably rise to the bait & make a post or two on the anti-thread if I was a writer on the show.

    Hindsight is a wonderful thing & it's easy to criticise after the fact. Which I'm sure people like JM appreciate as it helps them what other paths they could have taken, they must because he responds to some harsh stuff in his blog entries. So they obviously take some on the constructive criticism on board. Just not enough to make any major chamges on what they are planning to do. They only go season to season & so have to field what they think are he most appropriate scripts for the upcoming season. Unless all fans stopped watching, then a few dozen continuous posters won't really do anything. I honestly don't fault the writers at all. I solely put the blame on the sci-fi execs doors.
    I have no problem with RDA leaving. I just currently have no intention of sticking around for more than the first couple of episodes. Like RDA, I'll be doing it purely out of a sense of duty than love.

    Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but if you have a look at the postings on Gateworld some of the issues - the Cam/Sam leadership issue for starters - were marked out for discussion way before the first shot of S9 was done, and likely before pen was put to paper script wise. And it was an honest discussion full of hope that the worst case senario, the one almost no-one wanted, would never come to pass.

    It did.

    The sad thing is that too many of the things we (the anti-s) hoped wouldn't happen did. And badly.

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    ive never really done the whole speculating about future seasons thing...but S10 has been confirmed for about 2-3 weeks now?
    but how long is it usually before we find out more about whats going to happen in the next season so some of these rumours can be put to rest?

    like i said, ive never really paid attention to where the producers decide to take the show in the next season so I dont know if they even listen to the fans about these things

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    theoretically they should be writing/plotting around now. usually they start taping in feb/mar or so, which means the pre-production stuff should start around now

    as to when spoilers will be leaked....probably not for a few months. they'll focus on promoting the second half of s9 first, then ramp up promotion on s10 around the last airing of s9, let the 'excitment' of the finale feed the 'interest' for hte premiere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nem2k
    ive never really done the whole speculating about future seasons thing...but S10 has been confirmed for about 2-3 weeks now?
    but how long is it usually before we find out more about whats going to happen in the next season so some of these rumours can be put to rest?

    like i said, ive never really paid attention to where the producers decide to take the show in the next season so I dont know if they even listen to the fans about these things
    TPTB do not listen to fans. TPTB do what they like, or often times they do what their "masters" like, even if they disagree.

    Scifi is the emperor, TPTB are just the generals implementing his evil will.

    EDIT: too much?
    Joseph Mallozzi -"In the meantime, I'm into season 5 of OZ (where the show takes an unfortunate hairpin turn into "the not so wonderful world of fantasy")"

    ^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?

    AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.

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    Don't get me wrong, there are a few things that the writers could have done far better.

    They are bascially tied up each season by not knowing if this will be the last or not. However issues such as (or lack of) explanations to some needed situations, such as where exactly is O'Neill & not making it plain who is in command opf SG-1 to name a few. Really can be put onto the writers. They could have sorted out the leadership issues in a few lines of dialogue. Yet they choose to ignore it, most likely for fear of upsetting Sam & Mitchell fans. If it went against their preffered character.

    Like I said, they do have one hand tied behind their backs each season, so this limits what they can do. However I my biggest annoyment with writers are their serious lack of following up on things.

    Foothold is a prime example. Aliens invade the GSC & then manage to get topisde as well. They are finally thwarted & escape through the SG. Nothing since, No attempt to go to the coordinates of which they escaped. Surely these aliens would have went back at some point in the future.

    They simply use these eps as one off wonders. Then move onto the next one & so on, never looking back. So that's the biggest thing that irks me about the whole show.

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    SG-1 has been slowly declining the past few years, but this year is has been a steep drop. IMO, the show has already jumped the shark once they made Vala the focus of the show. It's not just all the qualities that other posters have mentioned such as the juvenile humor or lack of teamwork or poor characterization; the show is boring. I stopped watching the show after 6 or 7 episodes because it became such a chore.

    I think casual viewers are not watching. Their ratings are being sustained by the core Stargate fans, but with this much anger and disappointment among fans, the ratings will slowly leach away as the season progresses. I will be curious to know how DVD and other ancillary products will sell in the next 12 months.

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