BSG finds Earth?

[the Fifth Race]

Where did this whole Stargate meet BSG debate begin?....I have no doubt that the Asgard could destroy anything the Cylons would throw at them. If anf when us (the Tauri) build enough Asgard tech BC's and develope our own viable energy weapons, we would destroy the Cylons quite easily. But thats not gonna happen. The real question is if they find Earth and what will they find if they do?.

[Chricton]

It happens to every show, eventually. You get angry fans from popular show #1 getting threatened by fans of popular show #2, and it leads to this kind of stuff. It happened to Farscape and Stargate when SG just started airing of scifi channel. It's starts out harmless fun, but it turns into a real bad thing when fans start posting negative things about a shows certain ________ and how the writers are weak for creating something not as strong as their ________. It's really stupid, childish stuff.

Long after SG1 ends you will have fans feeling animosity towards BSG, only because it was slightly more popular.

[Caprice]

You get angry fans from popular show #1 getting threatened by fans of popular show #2, and it leads to this kind of stuff.

I wouldn't call myself "angry" or "threatened" but I suppose some might feel that way.

[skrip00]

SG-1 will always be a great show... and it had several seasons which had us on the edge of our seats. But years of story slowly repeating upon itself, many just got tired of it. BSG is something new... a breath of fresh air.

I used to be an avid stargate fan, but i can only absorb so much of a show's universe before i get tired of it and look for something new.

[Chricton]

I wouldn't call myself "angry" or "threatened" but I suppose some might feel that way.

Well, to be honest I shouldn't have put angry into the sentence. But, for some reason, people sometimes feel this way. They get a superiority complex about their show. Stargate fans were going wild with anger when Atlantis was just starting, the boards even here were unreadable without getting angry at someone. BSG got ragged on like crazy when it first premiered. Maybe not by Stargate fans, but all scifi fans in general. But for the most part, the show has proven it's quality and all the ranting has subsided.

But you still get the occasional fanboy with the "BSG is like OC in space! OMGLOL" comment.

[the fifth man]

That would be neat if they made it to Earth. But only if the show could continue on from there. If not, I say let it take a very long time. But there's lots of great ideas, I'm sure, for what could transpire once they reach Earth.

[the Fifth Race]

It happens to every show, eventually. You get angry fans from popular show #1 getting threatened by fans of popular show #2, and it leads to this kind of stuff. It happened to Farscape and Stargate when SG just started airing of scifi channel. It's starts out harmless fun, but it turns into a real bad thing when fans start posting negative things about a shows certain ________ and how the writers are weak for creating something not as strong as their ________. It's really stupid, childish stuff.

Long after SG1 ends you will have fans feeling animosity towards BSG, only because it was slightly more popular.

With all due respect Chricton I disagree. For anyone to feel animosity or disdain for a fan of one paticular show over another simply because they may not like the other show is assinine. I won't judge whether I dislike a show becuase there is a blacklash from opposing fans. I would bet most scifi fans are smarter than that.

[ArthurKing]

Howdy, new poster long-lurker.

I don't think the argument for a more traditional ending (yes, ending) to the series has been given enough advocacy here.

On it being the ending: no show is going to last forever, no matter how well it is written/acted/directed, especially when it's premise is 'finding our way home' (one of the archetypal stories of human narrative if there ever was one). I don't think there could be a more appropriate ending than Galactica discovering Earth -- not for a long while but, by the 5th or 6th season, it would be fitting.

It would also be largely satisfying for them to encounter an 'Earth' or 'Earth-based' federation which was technologically more advanced (not to the point of ridiculousness, but to the point of being a 'white knight' in the show). Doing something somewhat predictable in no way implies doing something poorly or unstaisfyingly. It's unfortunate that the one has become associated with the other, on account of a plethora of idiotic movie and television 'men' in the last few decades.

Moore could weave a multistory arc of epic battles, fights for survival, the dynamics of long-separated members of the same species being reunited, etc. It wouldn't have to be trite, cliche, or rushed.

Remember, some of the greatest and most enduring works of human creativity (epics, drama, poetry) do, in one way shape or form accept and embrace and make strong the 'good takes the day' theme.

To me, the 'suprise twist ending', while staisfying in a very base way, wouldn't be the way for a series of this caliber to go out.

Edit: And in fact, as I think about it, given the extent of cynicism/jadedness (call it what you will) that exists within so much of the viewing audience these days, the more traditional ending I've described might actually be MORE of a suprise than the 'dark' or 'twist' path, being so overused of late.

[Brigadier General Pants]

Doing something somewhat predictable in no way implies doing something poorly or unstaisfyingly. It's unfortunate that the one has become associated with the other, on account of a plethora of idiotic movie and television 'men' in the last few decades.

Good point(s). Many works of fiction are in fact recyclings of tradition (and in the case of BSG, an actual remake!). I remember before BSG came out, die-hard BSG:TOS fans were already bagging the show: yet look how well it has been done. So I agree finding Earth et al. does not preclude originality. The new BSG is original in many ways, despite being a 'remake'. If RDM went down the path of finding Earth, I'm sure he would do it justice, and give it a fresh twist to boot.

[Lexx]

There are two ideas I'd like to see.

1) They find Earth, and it's incredibly advanced. The Colonials then find out that Kobol was a scientific facility set up by Earth (in our future) to research Artificial Intelligence. And that the lead scientists managed to create robotic lifeforms, but those lifeforms eventually rebelled and wiped out the human colony on Kobol. And somewhere during that time period, the machines took on the look of humans, just like the Cylons have. Then those "new humans" left Kobol to find a new world, and eventually settled the 12 Colonies. The truth of Kobol and Earth, and the true nature of the "humans", get fudged around over time until we have the current state of the Colonies. All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again, as the saying goes.

2) Years pass by the RTFF still have no idea where Earth is. They eventually decide to call it quits, and find a habitable planet. They start living there, and name the planet Earth after the mysterious planet they never found. The camera pulls back, and we see that the new Earth is actually our Earth, but far in the past.

[Brigadier General Pants]

There are two ideas I'd like to see.

1) They find Earth, and it's incredibly advanced. The Colonials then find out that Kobol was a scientific facility set up by Earth (in our future) to research Artificial Intelligence. And that the lead scientists managed to create robotic lifeforms, but those lifeforms eventually rebelled and wiped out the human colony on Kobol. And somewhere during that time period, the machines took on the look of humans, just like the Cylons have. Then those "new humans" left Kobol to find a new world, and eventually settled the 12 Colonies. The truth of Kobol and Earth, and the true nature of the "humans", get fudged around over time until we have the current state of the Colonies. All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again, as the saying goes.

2) Years pass by the RTFF still have no idea where Earth is. They eventually decide to call it quits, and find a habitable planet. They start living there, and name the planet Earth after the mysterious planet they never found. The camera pulls back, and we see that the new Earth is actually our Earth, but far in the past.

They are both good ideas.

[LCD2YOU]

Personally, I'd like to see an advanced Earth.

The idea of the Galactica Fleet being our ancestors doesn't appeal to me.

I want to see the Cylons go up against, I dunno, Enterprise-E.

The Cylons would have short but completely outgunned and outclassed fire fights.

[Section_One]

I'd rather see the Cylons go up against the Peacekeepers (back when they were the "good guys", if you guys have seen those episodes) from Farscape) or Earth Force from B5. Now that would be very nice indeed. Great ship to ship combat and massive dogfights.

[Caprice]

Earth Force from B5. Now that would be very nice indeed. Great ship to ship combat and massive dogfights.

Ya know, the Babylon 5 universe would probably mate up a bit better with Battlestar Galactica's than that of Stargate or Trek. At least the ships in Babylon 5 seemed to obey the laws of physics when in space... LOL

[SGalisa]

Originally posted by Caprice:
At least the ships in Babylon 5 seemed to obey the laws of physics when in space...

ugh! Of course, that still doesn't explain how precious antiques and delicate loose objects can stay intact and unharmed during a jostling attack while in space flight - if the gravity generators get shut off for any amounts of time... or is that when everything suddenly floats?

I'll probably never understand the obsessive urge to make everything perfect in the laws of science and physics, when applied to a genre that has the ability to suspend reality on a few levels of comprehension...
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Anyway, finding earth?
If the current BSG stays close to the original series, finding earth is part of the BSG legend... history repeats itself ("what has happened before, will happen again... and again..."). It's just a question of when, not "if". And "how?" If Six hinted that the scriptures lied, then maybe the Cylons have something different up their proverbial sleeves to change history from repeating itself...? just another possibility...and if that happens, it's very possible, that finding earth, etc., is not the end of this BSG version.

Originally posted by the Fifth Race:
Where did this whole Stargate meet BSG debate begin?

from within this topic - a few possibilities...

Originally posted by 555GATE:
I wouldn't be surprised if we are still in less than Modern times when the fleet arrives on Earth. At the very least the 13th Tribe arrived before the Middle Ages. We Stargate fans understand what the Middle Ages may have done to our advancement. The Tollan didn't have that remember, so that may be why the other tribes might be much more advanced than the Earth Tribe.

next one I think is a joke...

Originally posted by dec55:
The will get help from SG1, and shut the Cylon war machine down. I'd like to see that!!!

Actually, there actually is a "Pegasus" ship on BSG (seen in the mid-season cliffhanger). Not sure if the BSG Pegasus is directly connected to a land mass called Atlantis, but it is not the same Atlantis of SGA fame. I'm not even sure if the reference was an indirect tribute to the SG series (that might be too *wishful*), but I think there was a Pegasus ship in the original BSG series that was also part of the fleet.

[SGalisa]

just an observation I noticed from a while back...

Originally posted by the Fifth Race:
Where did this whole Stargate meet BSG debate begin?

Originally posted by Chricton:
It happens to every show, eventually. You get angry fans from popular show #1 getting threatened by fans of popular show #2, and it leads to this kind of stuff. It happened to Farscape and Stargate when SG just started airing of scifi channel.

...not (totally) where I was reading elsewhere on the internet -both programs had equal value and likability... some Farscape viewers stated they weren't too happy with the direction the show was going, and voiced *concerns*, but they weren't at "war" with Stargate viewers. The first place I ever saw any besieging commentaries was on various (TV related internet) newsgroups.

As for the other web discussion sites, SG-1 was a virtual unknown on Sci-Fi for those not privileged to have Showtime as an extra TV channel; so the series itself was a humble newbie of sorts and stayed that way, mostly up until about 2 or 3 years ago. It was always in the shadow of Star Trek being more prominent, instead. And currently, I think it's still in the shadow of *any* sci-fi. Current BSG popularity sort of reinforces that theory...

Anyway, I'm almost 99% certain most fierce-like hostilities between BSG and SG didn't surface network-wide, until after the Cinescape reviews on SGA's "Siege" eps. Prior to the professional media's highly negative "Siege" reviews (a bit of prophecy here??!), there were rumblings and grumblings on less moderated discussion boards that sort of migrated being heard about around the rest of the internet. I was concerned that the two groups couldn't seem to live in the same galaxy peacefully -or Tv channel, but could never understand the "why?"

However, I noticed that here on GW, a lot of support *for* Stargate was coming from a majority of BSG viewers at that time. But a few months later, the pendulum started swinging in opposition against SG than for it. I think that was also due more to viewer preference, re: cast and story changes, and some people just getting generally tired from getting involved in what was becoming a potentially long running series (SG-1) ...which brings up the question of how long can attention spans go for any one (Tv) series?

After a while, it's easy to let our emotions get the best of us, but there's also an old saying:
"You catch more flies with honey, than with vinegar..."

That's something on BSG which some of the Cylons seemed to have learned to do with some of the humans... but in their case, I keep asking "why?" ...They obviously have a motive, and earth might only be a tiny portion of that larger spectrum... Earth is only the beginning. ...yeah, I can see BSG going on for more than the average five years if viewers don't mind how far the storylines stretch...

[Brigadier General Pants]

yeah, I can see BSG going on for more than the average five years if viewers don't mind how far the storylines stretch...

I hope so, but the sheer intensity of what happens with every episode may limit that. I mean, the plot is already so convoluted after 1 1/2 seasons. That's what I love about the show - but sometimes I think the candle that burns twice as bright...

[Giantevilhead]

1. Earth is a wasteland, it was destroyed by a nuclear war, that's why they left in the first place.

2. Earth is ruled by machines that defeated humans long ago in a devastating war, the survivors fled the earth and founded the colonies.

3. Earth is very advanced, they accept the Cylons as their children and destroy BSG.

4. The humans of earth are dying, they were the ones who called to the Cylons telling them to procreate, the arrival of BSG and the human/Cylon hybrid ensures the survival of the humans of earth.

[Brigadier General Pants]

1. Earth is a wasteland, it was destroyed by a nuclear war, that's why they left in the first place.

Left it? The premise of BSG is that humans left Kobol to go to Earth, not to flee from it. But if they arrived and humanity had simply destroyed itself, that would be an interesting twist - and would kind of validate the Cylons' judgment of humanity.

2. Earth is ruled by machines that defeated humans long ago in a devastating war, the survivors fled the earth and founded the colonies.

Again, humans left Kobol to go to Earth, not the other way around.

3. Earth is very advanced, they accept the Cylons as their children and destroy BSG.

That would be twisted, but interesting.

4. The humans of earth are dying, they were the ones who called to the Cylons telling them to procreate, the arrival of BSG and the human/Cylon hybrid ensures the survival of the humans of earth.

But why wouldn't they just accept the BSG humans, and use them to continue the human race? It would be unnecessary to use the Cylon hybrids.

The above being said, it would be interesting to find out that the truth is the oppostite of what they believe: that the 12 colonies came from Earth, not the other way around.

[Giantevilhead]

Left it? The premise of BSG is that humans left Kobol to go to Earth, not to flee from it. But if they arrived and humanity had simply destroyed itself, that would be an interesting twist - and would kind of validate the Cylons' judgment of humanity.


Again, humans left Kobol to go to Earth, not the other way around.

Well I think that earth was the homeworld but something terrible happened, nuclear war, machine taking over, which forced humanity to flee and settle on Kobol. After many generations, maybe hundreds or thousands of years, history was forgotten, or maybe erased, and they founded the 12 colonies.

But why wouldn't they just accept the BSG humans, and use them to continue the human race? It would be unnecessary to use the Cylon hybrids.

The above being said, it would be interesting to find out that the truth is the oppostite of what they believe: that the 12 colonies came from Earth, not the other way around.

We know the human Cylons can't reproduce, the people of earth could have a similar problem and they need the human/Cylon hybrid to continue their race.

OK, I got another one, assuming that Kobol was the real human homeworld then earth may have been settled by machines. The Cylons said that this has all happened before, so maybe there was a war between humans and sentient machines on Kobol which caused everyone to leave, humans formed the 12 colonies and the machines went to earth and founded the 13th colony.