BSG finds Earth?

[Kobolian]

There seems to be a lot of talk about the Colonials realizing they actually migrated from Earth to kobol. Thats a good theory and all, but it just seems like were trying to fufill an Earth is the center of the universe idea. It would be a twist, but i dont believe it will happen.

Anyway back to the main question. Its hard to say what year the earth would be in i doubt it would be the distant past like the 13 century or anything like that, but you have to factor in the dark age that occured on Earth and in the 12 colonies and then there was the ban on technological advancements with computer sciences in the 12 Colonies, but then again 12 worlds working together would allow them to advance more quickly opposed to one world that itself is divided into countries.

So, I would say Earth is either going to be on about equal scientific terms with the 12 colonies or less advanced. Not so less advanced as to be banging rocks together, but maybe just starting to expand within our own solar system. with ships of our own (not equal to that of battlestars) but can atleast make it in and out of our atomoshpere with ease.

[Bast]

What should happen?

A. Land in modern day times ala campiness

B. Cylons destroyed Earth and ambush them

C. Earthlings are xenophobes with equal level technological advancement launch massive assault on the fleet, Galactica is forced to surrender and be boarded.

D. Earth is inhabaited by pre neolithic savages living in caves batteling sabre tooth tigres, BSG settles what becomes Atlantis and they are responsible for the Earth humans leap to civilization.

[hyzmarca]

E: Modern Earth, Colonial refugees are acceted into coiety and try to integrate themselves Alien Nation style. This is made considerably easier by the facts that they have hair and their males don't become pregnant. At the same time, Earth militaries race to control the Colonial technology knowing that whoever does will control the world while attempting to build a half-decent defense fleet, as well. .

[555GATE]

In the original series, and I only saw the one where they do find earth, the Earth was more like option C. I wonder how close to tradition they'll keep with that part of the show.

I was actually just talking about this the other week. Just watch them find Earth in the Middle Ages. Think about it. The Tribes left Kobol, 3000 years ago (I think that was the number mentioned in one of the episode). Now disregard the fact that a year is different depending on the orbits of each planet around their suns. I think that might be left as a constant, as the familiar Earth year. It could be that each earth type planet has nearly the same orbital path around suns that are around the same age as ours. Perhaps that is a requirement for earth type planets to exist? So where do you start the count? When was 3000 years ago? I'm thinking about the Ancient Greeks, who believed in Gods with the same names as the Gods of the 13 Tribes. The belief in the Olympian Gods has roots all the way back to the Greek Bronze Age, before 1200 BC. Well what about all the other civilizations? Egypt, Babylon, etc. They existed, and some well before the Greeks. Therefore I've figured the 13th Tribe is either of the following:

1. The 13th Tribe is all of those civilizations, who split over the course of time into different civilizations due to being far away from the other Tribes in the Galaxy, so their beliefs in the Gods changed over time. I think this might be valid because most of the Gods of Ancient Times, although they had different names, were connected by what type of God's they were (Sky God, Death God, etc).

2. The 13th Tribe no longer exists as its own entity, they were maybe the lost Atlantis Colony, and their influence affected the development of another human race (our ancient civilizations). They brought the standards for the multi-god structure to us, then were destroyed in the sinking of Atlantis. They could have mated with the indigenous humans, and are still around in some way, but their colony was destroyed.

So what time is it on Earth if either of those are true?

1. This would mean that the 13th Tribe landed around 5000 BC, near the beginning of the first of the ancient civilizations. Add 3000 years, and that would put us at 2000 BC, the beginning of the Greek Bronze Age.

2. Plato was about 50 in 375 BC. Well he wrote wrote of a great place known as Atlantis which was destroyed well before his lifetime. Who knows when it was destroyed, if it even existed, but at the very least it was before 375 BC. Since the Egyptians had known about it, the Greeks had been roaming the seas for some time, and all the other ancient civilizations had a similar god structure I'd put the existance of Atlantis in the 5000 BC to 1000 BC range. Any earlier and I think they would have found it through exploration. Add 3000 years and that puts at the 2000 BC to 2000 AD range. Beginning of the Greek Bronze Age, through the Roman Empire and beginning of Christianity, to the Middle Ages, to Modern Day.

I wouldn't be surprised if we are still in less than Modern times when the fleet arrives on Earth. At the very least the 13th Tribe arrived before the Middle Ages. We Stargate fans understand what the Middle Ages may have done to our advancement. The Tollan didn't have that remember, so that may be why the other tribes might be much more advanced than the Earth Tribe.

[Aaron Doral]

Plato wrote that the war with Atlantis (and the subsequent sinking of Atlantis) took place some 9,000 years prior to his lifetime (around 9500BC). I really, really hope that Moore won't do anything like the 13th tribe finding a planet that just happened to have an identical alien species living on it... That would be much worse than even forehead aliens.

[hyzmarca]

Time wouldn't necessarily translate 1:1 between the Colonies and Earth. It depends on their realitive velocities. If the colonies' system has an absolute velocity that is significantly faster than our solar system's it is quite possible for 2000 years to pass there while 10,000 or more years passes here.

Relativity makes space travel fun.

[Frinky]

I think that they would be of relatively the same technological development. They all left Kobol at the same time and, most likely, the same level of development. However, they may be slightly less advanced, possibly by 50-100yrs or so because of their isolation, while the colonies would have been able to develop faster as they could trade with each other.

[Caprice]

However, they may be slightly less advanced, possibly by 50-100yrs or so because of their isolation,

So basically back up 100 years technologically and you have... today's society plus fake gravity and maybe FTL? I guess I don't percieve that the 12 Colonies are that much more advanced than we are in reality (part of why I really like the show) and that the only thing that really puts them apart is some extreme manufacturing capability to put together such large space ships.

[NowIWillDestroyAbydos]

I'll probably go with B. eh, it's possible.

[LCD2YOU]

Time wouldn't necessarily translate 1:1 between the Colonies and Earth. It depends on their realitive velocities. If the colonies' system has an absolute velocity that is significantly faster than our solar system's it is quite possible for 2000 years to pass there while 10,000 or more years passes here.

Relativity makes space travel fun.

5 times the difference in relative time? That's assuming that the planetary systems of the Colonies are moving at about 95% of the speed of light relative to Earth. I'm not so sure that's really doable without the whole thing flinging itself out of the galaxy.

While there is a time differention between two aircraft with atomic clocks travelling at high rates of speed one going west and the other flying east, the difference is so small that it is only an interesting side note. The velocity needed for such an extreme time dilation comes to more problems than it solves.

[@Li3n]

Guys didn't Billy say in the ep were they found Kobol that humans left it about 2000 years ago BSG time?
So that would mean that BSG is happening some 2000 years after the first Homo Sapien Sapien appeared!

IMO the way to end BSG would be them finding Earth but we only get to see the Galactica in space, with the Earth on the horizon(so to speak)!
Leave us all guessing as to how the Earth is like!

[LCD2YOU]

BSG finding Earth what is approximately 7000CE. for those of you who don't know CE is "Common Era, the same as AD but not the overt religious baggage that comes with it.

Here's the thing:

It's 2050 and Earth was dying. What was left of humanity left to go to another world to escape the N-teenth Regoinal Wars that started in 2003CE. Those that led the new "Exodus". The leaders of this escape act used religions to help quell the masses. Eventully they were revered as "Gods" and quickly assumed the title, afterall humans are humans and power is intoxicating. They found a planet and named it Kobol.

There the "Gods", actually children of the original leaders, combined all sorts of world Religions. From mysticism to fundemental religious beliefs, they were all incorperated. Now, from the Season Two episode, "Valley of Darkness", 6 showed Giaus that human sacrifices were the order of the day on Kobol. I do not know if she was playing with him or not, but let's assume that is true.

Ok, well we know why the whole thing collapsed. The only thing the "Gods" were able to do was say some "disaster struck", not their incompetence and brutal regimes, that forced humanity from the Gods. Well, the Gods were human so who cares? I can even see why they had that the "Sacred Scrolls" told them life began on Kobol, the Gods wanted to be worshipped and the reasons for the N-teenth Regonial Wars (IMNSHO - religion) forgotten.

12 Groups went one way looking for a new home. The last group heard of Earth and "went home".

So, humans left Earth in 2050. We found a new planet, Kobol in 2200. This was done with ships using Solar Sails and eventually even Jump Drives.

Kobol colonized in 2320 and everything is wonderful (to be debated) until 5000 when everything hits the fan. As BSG is 2000 years past that, that puts Earth around 7000CE.

So what is it like? Did the 13th tribe go back and find out what happened to people because we were stupid? Did they end up killing themselves off? Did they even survive as Earth went from a "big blue marble" down to a desolate and barren wasteland stripped of an atmosphere? Is the Earth dead along the 13th Tribe because their ancestors couldn't agree on which tribal godhead figure loved who more?

I don't know.

I actually like that one the best.

[hyzmarca]

There is also gravity to consider. areas of space that are more densly populated would also experience time dilation from the gravity. Time on an aircraft actually speeds up realitive to the ground because it is farther from the Earth's gravity. A densly populated solar system in a densly populated area of space with a few black holes and neutron stars just close enough to exert influance without causing catostrophic damage would also experince time more slowly than a solar system is surrounded by less mass.

[dec55]

The will get help from SG1, and shut the Cylon war machine down. I'd like to see
that!!!

[Bast]

Be cool if "earth" was indeed inhabaited by stone age savages, The fleet arrives settles in a isolated unhabaited area "becomes" atlantis , They then defend earth from Cylon Incursions , Cylons manage to destroy and sink atlantis, Galatica does a suicide attack wipes out cylon armada, But the colonials manage to fool the Cylons into believing "earth" has been destroyed with false data sent back to them. Few Survivors of Atlantis scatter and start 'building and developing civilization" on earth with nothing but the clothes on their back, Primitives mistakenly believe Adama is Zeus and Lee Adama well "Apollo".

[Starbase]

I like Fith Rcaes idea of them finding an Earth that is full of humanoid Cylons and they have no idea that they are.

[Caprice]

I take it there was a merging of threads...

[Brigadier General Pants]

There is also gravity to consider. areas of space that are more densly populated would also experience time dilation from the gravity. Time on an aircraft actually speeds up realitive to the ground because it is farther from the Earth's gravity. A densly populated solar system in a densly populated area of space with a few black holes and neutron stars just close enough to exert influance without causing catostrophic damage would also experince time more slowly than a solar system is surrounded by less mass.

Dude, a) the time dilation effect of a planet's gravity well is so slight as to be negligible and b) the only way for a planet to exist, would be for it to be far enough away from a black hole so as not to be affected by it. That is, in order for the planet not to be sucked into the black hole, it would have to be a sufficient distance away to not be affected by it's gravity - hence it would not experience time dilation either.

[Dr. Pepper Girl]

I believe that they will get to earth, but when they do all I can say is that it will be lower in technology then the colonials or as in SG-1 "younger."

[LCD2YOU]

"Younger"?

That's nice. It would be great to have them meet the Asgard.

Better yet, have them meet the wraiths. Yeah, when twoi really evil bad guys go at it, makes one think that maybe, just maybe, the universe ain't so bad.

Have the wraith's start sucking the organic Cylons dry and hopefully it shorts out their "I feel no pain nor fear" software. Let them truly understand the phrase total horror.