Pegasus (210)

[emperor]

doea any1 have pictures of the pegasus if so post them or a link
ive searched everywhere and couldnt find them
thx

[MASON]

doea any1 have pictures of the pegasus if so post them or a link
ive searched everywhere and couldnt find them
thx

There are quite a few uploaded at the Battlestar Wiki:

http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=Pegasus

They're not all on the Pegasus page, but if you do a deeper search of the recent uploads, you should find plenty.

[Caprice]

This episode is the one that finaly threw me over the edge - I've purhcased the miniseries DVDs and will be buying the 1st season in a few weeks (gotta wait for some money to come up, don't want to impact my beer money ya know). Loving this show I am!

[MASON]

This is just nit-picking, but I'm putting some graphics together, and wondered if anyone knew which Battlestar Group the Pegasus belongs to/leads. It was blurry throughout most of the episode, on the badges and wall emblems, but it looked like sixty-something.

Any help?

[Callsign:Spooky]

Good episode. Part two is going to be interesting...to say the least.

Galactica was in the process of being mothballed. So in terms of hardware Galactica vs. Pegasus is really not going to be a contest and doubtless the Pegasus doesn't have any oldschool Vipers on their deck. Their compliment has to be all Mark 7's so all around Pegasus has the technological edge. Hopefully it won’t come to that though. The last thing that is needed is draining further resources on two pigheaded

Second while rape is rape. Manslaughter is manslaughter. While Tyrol may have not meant to kill someone in the end he did. Kane is overreacting but frankly it’s not totally unwarranted. (Hey what did you expect from Ro Laren?) The summary judgment however IS. Hence the reason Adama wants his boys back. No matter which way this turns out Tyrol is in deep ****. He’s gotten away with a lot in the last year and a half. I think Adama’s leniency is just about over.

Also I think the Pegasus is heading for a suicide run against whatever that ship is out there. I don’t think there is room for two battlestars in this show. What I am hoping is that some of the pilots and Vipers make it back because Galactica is seriously hurting for both.

PS- I hope to god they release the soundtrack for season 2. I REALLY REALLY REALLY want that song when Galactica discovers Pegasus.

[MASON]

Second while rape is rape. Manslaughter is manslaughter. While Tyrol may have not meant to kill someone in the end he did. Kane is overreacting but frankly it’s not totally unwarranted. (Hey what did you expect from Ro Laren?) The summary judgment however IS. Hence the reason Adama wants his boys back. No matter which way this turns out Tyrol is in deep ****. He’s gotten away with a lot in the last year and a half. I think Adama’s leniency is just about over.

You wonder if Adama will realize that the main problems with the chief have all occurred when he was in close proximity, or regular contact with Sharon. I think, if the ships survive butting heads, and the prisoners aren't executed, that Adama will have to make some transfers of his own, possibly sending Sharon or the Chief to the Pegasus. Though I wouldn't imagine the Pegasus would be safe for either of them, particularly the chief, Sharon would be caged and mostly likely guarded by marines loyal to the Galactica.

Just a thought, but if Adama wants to give the chief another chance, he's got to keep him away from Sharon. But where Sharon goes, Helo will have to follow, as the father, and as the key to keeping Sharon in check with Adama's will.

This could open up some interesting possibilities, like the exchange of Tyrol for Laird: The Mark II's could get some serious upgrades with an aeronautical/aerospace engineer on the deck of the Galactica.

PS- I hope to god they release the soundtrack for season 2. I REALLY REALLY REALLY want that song when Galactica discovers Pegasus.

I think you might be the first to hold that song in such high esteem.

[Frinky]

What's so bad about that song? It was good, I felt it suited the moment perfectly...

[madk99]

You can doubt, but

Spoiler:

it is pretty obvious from available spoilers that it WILL play out that way.

Darth, I love your posts but keep it clean from spoilers please. Don't make implications regarding spoilers in open posts. I'm trying not to connect too many dots. My brain is already showing caffeine induced hallucinations of Cylon Raiders playing football in the bay area. Or maybe that was Rickey Henderson stealing basestars. I'm not really sure anymore. Blame it on the logic bomb.

[Caprice]

My brain is already showing caffeine induced hallucinations of Cylon Raiders playing football in the bay area.

BWAHAHAHA!

[aaobuttons]

Second while rape is rape. Manslaughter is manslaughter. While Tyrol may have not meant to kill someone in the end he did. Kane is overreacting but frankly it’s not totally unwarranted. (Hey what did you expect from Ro Laren?) The summary judgment however IS. Hence the reason Adama wants his boys back. No matter which way this turns out Tyrol is in deep ****. He’s gotten away with a lot in the last year and a half. I think Adama’s leniency is just about over.

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on both obvious statements.

1. Rape is rape: Is it really rape when it's against a Cylon? The Pegasus crew obviously didn't believe so. They saw it as more like playing with a blow up doll. Gaius, Helo, and Tyrol obviously saw it as rape, and what we know about most of the Galactica crew, they would probably call it at least akin to rape. If it had been against a _human_ in the manor that was discribed, then yes, rape is rape, but in this case it's not so easy.

2. Manslaughter is Manslaughter: Why isn't it labeled self defense or an accident? The scene we saw didn't show him purposefully slamming his head against the bolt, just Tyrol pulling him off Sharon. In the US (and I know BG isn't the US but if we are going to use law terms that identify with the US then it only seems fair) any half way decent lawyer would be able to defend agaisnt those claims and win. Would Adama still of punished him for it, maybe. He gave Callie 21 days in the brig for shooting Sharon, but then again Apollo and Starbuck both commited treason and he didn't do anything to them. The point is you can't just label things so neatly when you have such a convoluted and messed up situation like the one they were all involved in. That's what makes Commander Adama's job so hard everyday, everything around him seems to be neither black or white but just horrible shades of gray.

[Liebestraume]

1. Rape is rape: Is it really rape when it's against a Cylon? The Pegasus crew obviously didn't believe so. They saw it as more like playing with a blow up doll. ...

I beg to differ. That was only easy rationalization on their part. If it were indeed a blow-up doll (or something purely mechanical), would they brag about it to mere acquaintance? Would anyone go "yee haa"?

They took pleasure in the act because they were successful exerting power over another being, implicit in that was the recognition of free-will of the said "blow-up doll." That makes it rape.

[aaobuttons]

I beg to differ. That was only easy rationalization on their part. If it were indeed a blow-up doll (or something purely mechanical), would they brag about it to mere acquaintance? Would anyone go "yee haa"?

They took pleasure in the act because they were successful exerting power over another being, implicit in that was the recognition of free-will of the said "blow-up doll." That makes it rape.

I don't argue with you on the fact that we call it rape or that a normal sane person would call it rape (I've made points to the fact previously in the thread). What I'm saying is that it's not a black and white case. To the Pegasus crew, they wern't doing anything wrong. If they thought they had done something wrong, they wouldn't have been bragging about it. It was having fun and holding power over something but to them it wasn't rape. If they had considered it rape then I seriously doubt they would have been joking about it in front of the females and even males for that matter on Galactica. Was it easy rationalization for them, yes, but it was their rationalization and since they were the only humans left in the galaxy as far as they were concerned, it was the correct rationalization from their point of view.

[Callsign:Spooky]

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on both obvious statements.

1. Rape is rape: Is it really rape when it's against a Cylon? The Pegasus crew obviously didn't believe so. They saw it as more like playing with a blow up doll. Gaius, Helo, and Tyrol obviously saw it as rape, and what we know about most of the Galactica crew, they would probably call it at least akin to rape. If it had been against a _human_ in the manor that was discribed, then yes, rape is rape, but in this case it's not so easy.

Ummm I would say unequivocally YES.

Rape defined my dictionary.com is "The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse."

Like it or not flesh and blood, well to a certain extent, Cylons are sentient with thoughts and feelings. The toasters more in doubt. Sexual acts against them is no different then sexual acts against another person. Even if the life form IS different from human physiology the fact that you can mentally decimate a Cylon via torture and rape (as witnessed on the Pegasus.) should suggest that what they are dealing with is more then simple circuitry.

2. Manslaughter is Manslaughter: Why isn't it labeled self defense or an accident? The scene we saw didn't show him purposefully slamming his head against the bolt, just Tyrol pulling him off Sharon. In the US (and I know BG isn't the US but if we are going to use law terms that identify with the US then it only seems fair) any half way decent lawyer would be able to defend agaisnt those claims and win. Would Adama still of punished him for it, maybe. He gave Callie 21 days in the brig for shooting Sharon, but then again Apollo and Starbuck both commited treason and he didn't do anything to them. The point is you can't just label things so neatly when you have such a convoluted and messed up situation like the one they were all involved in. That's what makes Commander Adama's job so hard everyday, everything around him seems to be neither black or white but just horrible shades of gray.

Do you understand what manslaughter is? Again dictionary.com says:

"The unlawful killing of one human by another without express or implied intent to do injury."


He may not have intended to kill him. But he did. What we saw in that cage was an act of passion that got out of control and resulted in manslaughter. Yes. He had the best intentions in mind to save Sharon from rape but at the end of the day she wasn't in mortal danger. Its a crappy deal but she wasn't going to die. Of course if it was me I would have shoved my foot so far up that guys *** that he would be able to taste the dog crap I walked in last week.

[MASON]

Would Adama still have punished him for it, maybe. He gave Callie 21 days in the brig for shooting Sharon, but then again Apollo and Starbuck both commited treason and he didn't do anything to them.

Speaking of shades of grey(commonwealth sp ), did Apollo and Starbuck commit treason or mutiny?

I would imagine that there's a definite line here, as they were disobeying orders from their commanding office, but they remained loyal to the leader of the colonial republic(?). So I would say that when Adama decided to return to Kobol to reunite the fleet, he had to acknowledge his error, at least in part, as an offence greater than those of Starbuck or Apollo. However, where things grey is where both Roslyn and Adama looked at each other's actions as somewhat treasonous, and each with just cause.

And I have to point out that Cally was incarcerated for the shooting of aprisoner of war, a witnessed enemy of humanity, one who could also be perceived as having betrayed the fleet. I don't know the penalties for being a double agent, but I imagine they usually consist of execution or life imprisonment. And, just as was stated on Kobol, Sharon was killed and nothing happened because she was not considered human, not even sentient, but a thing with software.

Tyrol has killed a human being, no matter how low that human's morals were, and will have to face a jury for it. My guess is that he might receive a pardon from the President of the Colonies who is in more of a position to establish what moral standards should be applied to the Colonial Military over both Adama and Cain.

[Callsign:Spooky]

I don't argue with you on the fact that we call it rape or that a normal sane person would call it rape (I've made points to the fact previously in the thread). What I'm saying is that it's not a black and white case. To the Pegasus crew, they wern't doing anything wrong. If they thought they had done something wrong, they wouldn't have been bragging about it. It was having fun and holding power over something but to them it wasn't rape. If they had considered it rape then I seriously doubt they would have been joking about it in front of the females and even males for that matter on Galactica. Was it easy rationalization for them, yes, but it was their rationalization and since they were the only humans left in the galaxy as far as they were concerned, it was the correct rationalization from their point of view.

The rationalization comes from the fact that they can say that this person isn’t human. Also from the fact that this person is part of the species that has all but wiped out humanity.
I’m not trying to go off topic here onto a tangent but there is precedent in the real world of this happening. WW2 when Japan invaded mainland China or Germany’s “final solution”. Some of the acts that went on makes what we saw on BS look tame in comparison. How did this happen? The depersonification of the Chinese/Jewish. E.g. they are nothing more then animals. The end result is a moral vacuum where atrocities can happen without moral consequences.
My point in all of this? It’s very easy to make excuses. Too easy IMHO. Up til now the Cylons have been chrome plated toasters. Machines. Nothing more. So obviously its easy to see them as “things” I think as people start to deal with Sharon (Assuming she sticks around this time. God only know what Ron has planed for her. Look she’s ascending to another. . . wait. Wrong series.) more then will realize that she isn’t a toaster, she isn’t simple machine, she is a person who unfortunately is part of the species that is trying to wipe out humanity. Sucks to be her.

[Lightsabre]

Tyrol has killed a human being, no matter how low that human's morals were, and will have to face a jury for it. My guess is that he might receive a pardon from the President of the Colonies who is in more of a position to establish what moral standards should be applied to the Colonial Military over both Adama and Cain.

Yes, Tyrol killed a human being. But he did not do so in a drunken bar fight or a hit and run. He killed the man in the middle of a rape. That puts a different slant on things. Tyrol was acting in the defence of another, not out of any agression or aggrandizment of his own.
As someone above said, any decent lawyer could get him off. If it had been a female crew member and not a cylon, Tyrol would never have been arrested, let alone facing execution.
THe only reason he's being held is cuase he was defending a cylon.

[Callsign:Spooky]

Speaking of shades of grey(commonwealth sp ), did Apollo and Starbuck commit treason or mutiny?

Gah...That's interesting. OK. Well all this could be moot depending on how the government is set-up. Apollo was acting against Adama who was committing treason. I'm assuming there is a formal process to determine if the president should be removed which Adama was bypassing for the "sake of the fleet." So he was acting against the government who Apollo was backing so IMHO and YMMV Apollo did nothing wrong.
Starbuck didn't commit treason since she wasn't acting against the government however here is where it gets tricky. Can the president override an act from the military and send individual soldiers on specific missions? Again it depends on how the government is set-up. My gut is no. Not individual soldiers. My guess is that it has to go through the chain. So she tells Adama who orders Starbuck. In this case Adama would tell her to do unmentionable things to herself and we are back to mutiny again.

Ugh....My head hurts.


PS- Please note that I used the PIDOOMA Model to come up with the above statement.

[Callsign:Spooky]

Yes, Tyrol killed a human being. But he did not do so in a drunken bar fight or a hit and run. He killed the man in the middle of a rape. That puts a different slant on things. Tyrol was acting in the defence of another, not out of any agression or aggrandizment of his own.
As someone above said, any decent lawyer could get him off. If it had been a female crew member and not a cylon, Tyrol would never have been arrested, let alone facing execution.
THe only reason he's being held is cuase he was defending a cylon.

He still killed someone. Does anyone know how the law treats rape vs. imminent death? Seriously. Since as crappy as it is Sharon wasn't in mortal danger. Then again she can’t die. Well theoretically she can’t. I have the suspicion that she’s been cut off so when she dies that’s it but that’s a different thread. Agh! Too much. Brain on overload!

[Lightsabre]

He still killed someone. Does anyone know how the law treats rape vs. imminent death? Seriously. Since as crappy as it is Sharon wasn't in mortal danger. Then again she can’t die. Well theoretically she can’t. I have the suspicion that she’s been cut off so when she dies that’s it but that’s a different thread. Agh! Too much. Brain on overload!

It doesn't matter that she wasn't in imminent danger of dying.
The fact Tyrol was acting in her defence, and that the guy was trying to rape her, makes it different to if he had hit the guy too hard in a pub fight.

[MASON]

Yes, Tyrol killed a human being. But he did not do so in a drunken bar fight or a hit and run. He killed the man in the middle of a rape. That puts a different slant on things. Tyrol was acting in the defence of another, not out of any agression or aggrandizment of his own.
As someone above said, any decent lawyer could get him off. If it had been a female crew member and not a cylon, Tyrol would never have been arrested, let alone facing execution.
THe only reason he's being held is cuase he was defending a cylon.

Then I suppose we'll just, "have to live with it." Like the Gideon incident.
But I thought a complete pardon from Roslyn might help, and is likely in the face of bad press from the fleet, considering his dedication of the Blackbird to her.

But, I agree that the main reasons Cain gave such a harsh sentence, were to serve as an example to those who fraternize with Cylons, to exert her absolute authority, and, as more of an excuse, to bring justice to the death of her lieutenant. Tyrol and Helo were already on her black list, so any slip, and she was ready to bring out her gun.